for the people that started steroids in their 20's. how many years of serious lifting did you have before that? i am 19 and have been seriously lifting for three years. i feel that my diet/training/ and rest is ideal. i would like to start juicing and the only reason why i havent is because i cant find a source. i am not trying hard to find one either. i am letting the chips fall where they may. i will probably start in my mid 20's. ay my size now, i feel that i want to put on another 40lbs of muscle and drop some bf. but by my mid 20's i will probably reach that goal naturally. so why should i wait till then? why not juice now and reach my goals and be happy now rather than depressed and lonely everyday? i am not wanting to 300lbs with 3%bf so reaching my natural potential isnt all that important because my goal is like 220 and 8% bf. right now i weigh 200 at 12% bf. so basically in 2 cycles i could be at my goal be happy. so why wait?