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WolfPack Charlie

WolfPack Charlie

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Just an update for anyone who wanted to try Sus. This is my first cycle so I know the results will probably be a little elevated as compared to those who are experienced users, but here goes!! I started on September 7th with 250mg at 168 pounds and have continued with 250mg E4D and as of the 30th of September I weigh 191.7!! I still have about 500mg left and with the half life we'll see how high I can go. BTW, I know IP is not a hugely popular company here, due to the fact that they're an underground manufacturer and bunk shit is plentiful, but I believe I got the real deal. Just wanted to share!!
 
I take in between 300 and 400 grams of protein a day by way of 6 to 8 meals, 200 by protein shakes and the rest by chicken, steak, and tuna. I'm in the gym usually 4 days on and one day rest but lately I cant seem to keep away. I know that ideally, 45 minutes to an hour is good but I cant seem to pull myself away. I usually train for about an hour and a half. Knee surgeries keep me from working my legs extensively so I focus on calves for lower body and and chest for upper body.....my chest in comparison to the rest of my upper body is slightly under developed so I work chest twice in the same week.
 
I wish i made those kind of gains with my sust. My first cycle and im doing 400 mgs and have gained only 10 lbs thus far. i guess i should be happy.
 
I think he was talking about Sanfran eating more, not wolf.....whatever wolf is doing seems to be working perfectly...
 
Thanks for the replies! Sanfran, I have to agree with hardcore. Sounds like you could use a larger diet. I eat a ton and very often, almost every 2 hours when I'm awake, whether its a full meal, or just a shake and chicken breast or tuna sandwich! HOPE THIS HELPS!!
 
Wolf, it's only been 3 weeks and you're up 23 lbs!!! Shit that seems like damn good results!
Have you gotten noticeably fatter, bloated, or is it mostly quality gains? How many more weeks left on your cycle?
 
WolfPack Charlie said:
Just an update for anyone who wanted to try Sus. This is my first cycle so I know the results will probably be a little elevated as compared to those who are experienced users, but here goes!! I started on September 7th with 250mg at 168 pounds and have continued with 250mg E4D and as of the 30th of September I weigh 191.7!! I still have about 500mg left and with the half life we'll see how high I can go. BTW, I know IP is not a hugely popular company here, due to the fact that they're an underground manufacturer and bunk shit is plentiful, but I believe I got the real deal. Just wanted to share!!
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In a little over 3 weeks you put on 23lbs? That just doesn't sound right. And your cycle is only 250mg every 4 days!! You only started with 8 amps of sust for a whole 4-5 week cycle? You must be eating like mad or retaining a shit load of water. Where did you get the idea for a 5 weeker of sust as your first cycle? Anyone else think this sounds a little funny??
As far as your training: You shouldn't work any body part more than once/week. Although, while on a cycle you should work muscles harder and heavier than while off, but your only going to be counter productive hitting chest twice a week.

What are your stats? Age, how long you've been training, etc...

I'm just guessing, but are you still in your teens. Not to sound like a dick, but you sound like someone who has no idea what he's doing.
 
Whoah BigB, that's harsh. I've never proclaimed to be a guru on body building, nor have I claimed to know more (or as much as) anyone on this board. I do however know the facts of my cycle experience and I'm pretty sure I know a lot more about my body than you do. 250mgs E4D yes, I started with a 10cc bottle, simply because after searching for the last 2 years, it was all I could get my hands on (which I had to drive 900 miles one way to get). I am eating more than I ever thought possible, and obviously there is some significant water retention. I am 27 years old and have been working out 3 times a week for the last 4 years. Not until I decided to start my first cycle did I start working out 5 to 6 times a week. And I'm not trying to be a dick but when you add "not to sound like a dick" it's pretty much unavoidable. Like I said, I thought I had a handle on AAS info until I got in here and got a slap in the face.....I dont know squat (never claimed to know a lot). What I DO KNOW FOR SURE is my personal experience. What I dont understand is why you're not "Hey man, sounds like you're doing it right, good to hear you're making the most of your money and time", but instead asking for others to back you up with my experience "sounding funny". Well anywho...good luck to you and your experiences with AAS.
 
huh...well congrats on the gains...all the experiences i had with sust, it took almost five weeks to kick in...and ur cycle would be over by then...whats post cycle look like? did you frontload by chance...if u were desperate enough for some juice that u drove 900miles, i woulda thought about running some fina that u can have delivered to ur doorstep
 
I had to drive 900 miles because it was my first and since I'm new to the game I'm not up on the internet ordering so I got some from my best friend who just came in to them by way of his sister's boyfriend. BTW, his source told him the same thing about seeing the gains 4 to 5 weeks in, which is why I too was surprised to see my results. Some may cry bull shit, but if I feel like I need to prove myself, I could always find a way to get a pic of the scale (where you can see that there is clearly nothing else on the scale except me) and doctors records around the time of my start showing my current weight.
 
The problem is if your going to post about a cycle that obviously was poorly planned and you dont seem to know how to train properly, your going to get negative comments on this board. If you had posted this as your proposed cycle: 250mg sust E4D for 5 wks, I dont think a single person on this board is going to agree with it. If thats all you could get, you should have waited until you could get more. What does your post cycle therapy look like?
 
while it may seem like bro's are flaming, the real reason EVERYONE is on this board is to give help, and recieve...u need to remember there is slightly more testosterone flowing around here then ur average "lets talk about backstreet boys" message board...who the fuck do you have to prove anything to? no one besides urself...if people dont believe you(it does even sound a lil strange to me) then fuck em...myself included...if you gained that, then congrats, if u feel a need to lie over the internet, then gaining a few pounds is the least of ur problems...good luck either way...but what about post cycle? also, the scale doesnt mean shit...dont use that as a measuring tool!
 
Why is everybody coming down on Charlie?!? He's doing one of the safest cycles possible, eating and training like a madman, and gaining like there's no tomorrow!!! How can you say he is doing it all wrong?!?!

Sounds to me like your on the right path Charlie, recovery should be a walk in the park with only 5 weeks on the sauce. just watch that BP

:)
 
whether u are shut down for an hour or a year, i wouldnt say ANY recovery is a walk in the park...no one is coming down on him(at least not me), but its always smart to have as much info as u can before u start....i know i didnt, and i did some seriously stupid shit
 
i am a newbie also just wondering why you would shoot every 4 days instead of once a week i thought sust lasted a lot longer in system?
 
I just finished my last inj. of Sust from an * week cycle. I have been extremely impressed with the gains. I did not care about "How much weight" simply because I started my cycle @ 226 lbs. I am up 14 lean pound and BF% is down. I will be posting more results later.


Deadliftabc---Every 4 days works great with Sust because of the short acting esters in the mix. It helps to maintain a more stable level of T.
 
You all need to chill. Guess what???? This dude may have genetics that none of us have, ever think of that. He may have more receptor infinity then the rest of us... Many of my buddies have gained 20 lbs off 200-400mg of test a week. Like I said my buddies, who eat with me and I help them to get the most out of there cycle.

To Charlie Keep pumpin bro, I mean keep pumpin.... After your cycle I feel is just as important to eat as while on. Also make sure to get plenty of sleep for at least a month after your cycle.. What is going to happen is that you are still going to feel strong after your cycle but slowly you are going to become more and more sore after workouts. This is normal, but if you can continue to eat and eat and sleep and sleep and train and train, then you will keep most of your gains and then your next cycle will just be a building block on your already incred gains....

Good luck
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Thanks for all the "POSITIVE" replies! As for recovery and post cycle, I was under the impression that due to the length (or lack there of) of the cycle and sus not being a "harsh" drug, i would be OK not using anything. I still have about a week left so if I need to add something there's still time, any suggestions on what to take and how much will be appreciated. Like I said thanks guys!
 
Why is sust "not a harsh drug?"
 
yeah, its not like sust is kiddy shit...just as harsh as anything else...wolfpack, if we blindly took as truth what everyone on here claims, the whole board would be 350lbs at 3% bf...its not ur fault, but im sure u can understand the questioning...again, u dont have shit to prove to anyone but urself...in a weeks time, probably the best thing u could get ur hands on is liquid clomid...but im not sure if u are that familiar with sust, but post cycle should start three weeks after ur last injection bc of the long acting esters...bc of this, the couple weeks after ur last shoot will still be "building weeks"
 
WolfPack Charlie said:
Thanks for all the "POSITIVE" replies! As for recovery and post cycle, I was under the impression that due to the length (or lack there of) of the cycle and sus not being a "harsh" drug, i would be OK not using anything. I still have about a week left so if I need to add something there's still time, any suggestions on what to take and how much will be appreciated. Like I said thanks guys!
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You will always need some type of PST for recovery. If you dont do anything, you will lose everything you gained in a short time. Try some "Post-Cycle" from protien factory.
 
In response to your question. 9not that this is my thread or anything) but i started about 6 weeks ago. I inject twice a week. I have beeen eating until i just cant eat anymore, and plus it s getting really expensive. I ate three sandwiches today (tukey, eggsalad) 2 chicken breasts, losts of cottage cheese, 3 protein shakes.
and im up just 10 lbs. Its the dark cloud- everything comes more difficult for me.
 
sust is NOT by any means less "dangerous" than other testosterones, due to the fact that testosterone IS testeosterone, the only differenece is in the ester.

Test is test, the same gains, the same sides..

Everything depends on the steroid half life and your levels in the blood stream.

Many WILL CLAIM THAT PROPIONATE (DUE TO THE SHORT HALF LIFE) IS THE SAFEST TEST TO USE IN CASE OF PROBLEMS...

L.
 
Andy 13, has researched & posted several times that Sust/Omna should be used as a single ester like Enanthate or Cypionate, but with a half life of roughly 7 days. By the way, good job Charlie!!
 
I think prop is the best test because of its half life so long as you don't mind ed or eod injects.
 
Congrats on those impressive gains. It's kinda scary that you are doing 250mg test e4days without any anti-e on hand. Hope you keep those gains bro without having clomid or nolvas.
 
Thanks for the good responses guys. I have a question for all you guys about trenbolone acetate. That is most likely my next cycle. Isn't this also known as finaplix or is finaplix only the pellet form? I've seen many refer to tren on this board, is this what they are referring to? I assume when people mention fin, they are referring to finaplix.....is that wrong? I'm just trying to learn all I can before jumping into my next cycle. Thanks Tex, Rip and Potatoe, it's nice to get some positive feedback among some pretty harsh negatives. I realize now that I jumped into this pretty blind, so I'm trying not to make the same mistake the next time!
 
Yes Tren, trenbolone and finaplix are the same thing. Bro you do need to use something for POst cycle therapy because you will be shut down from the sust maybe some nolvadex clomid hcg any or all will help you try **************(EDITED)

you can get these PCT products in a liquid form from any of those places.

THAT IS AGAINST BOARD RULES BRO...DON'T DO IT AGAIN.
 
Oh yeah great work on the gains keep it up it sounds like you are on the right track just get the PCT down and you will be straight.
 
Stick with sust. I wouldn't use fina just yet. Just plan a little better next time. Try:

500mg/week Sust: Mon, thurs
Clomid post cycle. Start 3 weeks after last injection.
Day 1 300mg
Day 2-11 100mg
Day 12-21 50mg

Simple, effective.
 
WolfPack Charlie said:
BigB, how long of a cycle then? The only reason I was thinking of switching to the fina was the water retention.
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Oh sorry. I forgot to include that. 10wks. To cut down on water retention, use some liquidex or amrimidex. It will almost eliminate water retention as well as inhibit estrogen. You wont gain as much weight, but the weight you do gain will be quality as opposed to water weight. You can get liquidex legally as a "reseach" chemical.
 
Thanks for the info man, I really appreciate it. I'll be making the 900 mile journey once again at Thanksgiving and this time, I'll be more informed and better prepared when I start. Also, what's the doses of liquidex or arimidex and the duration? To be honest, he weight gain won't be as big an issue for me the second time around. Being my first time, I guess it was important to me because it was like instant gratification. Thanks again man!!!! Oh, I assume then that the post cycle would be the same as the above cited?
 
WolfPack Charlie said:
Thanks for the info man, I really appreciate it. I'll be making the 900 mile journey once again at Thanksgiving and this time, I'll be more informed and better prepared when I start. Also, what's the doses of liquidex or arimidex and the duration? To be honest, he weight gain won't be as big an issue for me the second time around. Being my first time, I guess it was important to me because it was like instant gratification. Thanks again man!!!! Oh, I assume then that the post cycle would be the same as the above cited?
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L-dex and A-dex are the same, but l-dex is liquid form. You would need .5mg every other day. And yes, post cycle would be the same. Clomid works, but it can have some bad side effects. ie mood swings. I am a complete dick when I'm on clomid, so I dont use it anymore, but some people have no problem with it. I would try it and see if you have problems with it and if you do, you'll know next time not to use it next time. Personally, I'm going to try "Post-Cycle" from protien factory after my next cycle:

600mg test enanthate /week 10wks
25mg d-bol/day 4wks

How was your strength increase during your cycle? That would be a better measure of "graification". The true test is how much you keep post cycle and if you dont do any post cycle therapy, you will lose all you have worked so hard for.
 
is anybody thinking thas maybe he doesnt have sust here. i mean we are talking about IP here it maybe something with a quicker acting ester.

either it sounds like you gained quit a bit of water so far, but im sure there is some muscle in there too. 23lbs is alot for a 10 week cycle

oh and i have to agree with bigb, plan better next time bud
 
JB160 said:
Yes Tren, trenbolone and finaplix are the same thing. Bro you do need to use something for POst cycle therapy because you will be shut down from the sust maybe some nolvadex clomid hcg any or all will help you try **************

you can get these PCT products in a liquid form from any of those places.
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did you seriously post that up?
 
23 lbs. in 10 weeks is possible. I gained 22 in 12. The majority of my weight gains came in the first 5 weeks. Strength increased steadily until about week 8-9.
 
jubei said:
23 lbs. in 10 weeks is possible. I gained 22 in 12. The majority of my weight gains came in the first 5 weeks. Strength increased steadily until about week 8-9.
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i agree i was saying that in a 10 week cycle that would be alot of weight

the original poster is on week 3 and he said he gained 23 lbs

i mean honestly how much of that could honestly be muscle?

about 5 lbs
 
Bicepts, you're joking right? I realize that may sound out of the ordinary but is it not possible for someone to make those gains?? I've posted in this thread that a lot of it is water weight, but you're saying that over 75% is water? I am genetically small (the highest natural weight in good shape was back in the Marine Corps at 165) so why is it not feasible that after 3 weeks of living in the gym, eating almost my weight in food, and hitting my first cycle that I make some awesome gains? I don't do bench press as I prefer to do dumbell presses, and I've gained about 60 pounds, curls gained about 20 pounds, shrugs about 60 pounds, iso pull downs about 50 pounds...so I am seeing some awesome (for me) strength gains. Magman, you're right I aint got shit to prove to anyone. If I were to lie though, why wouldnt I say that I'm sitting at 200 right now instead of 191.7? I hate being called a liar....if a man can't be taken for his word....he aint a man. I guess that in the future, I'll stick to posting questions rather than personal experiences so I dont stir up the hornets nest. Thanks for all the replies though guys!!
 
WolfPack Charlie said:
I had to drive 900 miles because it was my first and since I'm new to the game I'm not up on the internet ordering so I got some from my best friend who just came in to them by way of his sister's boyfriend. BTW, his source told him the same thing about seeing the gains 4 to 5 weeks in, which is why I too was surprised to see my results. Some may cry bull shit, but if I feel like I need to prove myself, I could always find a way to get a pic of the scale (where you can see that there is clearly nothing else on the scale except me) and doctors records around the time of my start showing my current weight.
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Well, it sounds like it works for you so good job, I shot 750 mg's eod and finely started to see my gains in about 4weeks. not much was water due to lasix. pretty much the same workout and diet too, each person has different results, you got good ones.. keep up the hard work....it's worth it...

Critical
 
jubei said:
23 lbs. in 10 weeks is possible. I gained 22 in 12. The majority of my weight gains came in the first 5 weeks. Strength increased steadily until about week 8-9.
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I'm in week six of my sustanon cycle (I'm not going to repost it) but that's what I'm experiencing. I made some good gains during first four weeks but that was with my dbol. The gains are still coming now the sustanon has kicked in but alot slower (shit I'm still happy). My strength is incredible. I thought that would go away when I discontinued the dbol but it didn't- I miss the pumps though.

Funny thing is I have fasted sometimes or lowered my caloric intake during the cycle and have not lost a pound!
 
BigB_79 said:
In a little over 3 weeks you put on 23lbs? That just doesn't sound right. And your cycle is only 250mg every 4 days!!


I'd have to agree I don't believe that amount and duration is sufficient for BB purposes. I'm running karachi 500mg ew(250mg Sun and Thurs) and I had planned it for a twelve week cycle. I figured that it takes 4-5 wk to kick in so that would be the optimal time- I see it as actually 7-8 weeks where you are actually making any kind of gains. Unfortunately one of my amps broke so I'm 1 amp short!
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