I used org deca w/ sust and hated it. I play a sport and when i would do cardio i would get such severe back cramps.
Comming off wasnt that easy i really didnt like it at all, my boy ran it at the same time and loved it.
He is a vet and in pain all the time pops pain killers like they are going out of style and when he was on he ran around like a little kid talking about how good his joints felt.