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Getting gyno while on letro

letsrun4it

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Ok so I'm taking high dose letro and still getting gyno, what does this mean? I'm taking AG-guys letro at 2.5mg/day and still some firmness is developing under my nipple, as well as it is getting puffier.

If letro pretty much kills all the estrogenic related sides, what is the other cause of this gyno? Should I lower my letro and take Nolva too?

Right now I'm taking Test/EQ/Drol...just finished week 1 so I assume its the drol, same thing happened when I took dbol.

Any help?

If there is nothing I can do I'll just drop the drol, forget about the rough stuff for good so I don't have to worry about the gyno. It's not even so much how it looks but it kind of causes aching in my chest.
 
Here's something I noticed, some BBs are mistaking fat with gyno. You might have an increase in bf% which causes an overall weight gain, breasts included.

I would drop the anadrol, just to see what happens. It's very possible you have prolactin sides from the cycle which can't be fixed by letro, you need dostinex for that.
 
I'm no expert on drol but it is a DHT-derived compound and it shouldn't aromatize all that much ... it's not a progestin and it doesn't bind very well to androgen receptors... not sure if it's the drol causing you the problems... EQ also aromatizes to an extent... you might just be hyper-sensitive? Have you had gyno before? How long have you been running the Letro at that dosage? It might take several weeks or longer before you start noticing effects
 
I've been running the letro like this since I started a week ago, so maybe it needs more time to start working.

Mr. X..., just doesn't feel like fat but who knows you might be right.

I think there is a good chance I am just hypersensitive to gyno, which sucks. I might have to just move to cycles like 250test/1g primo/50var to avoid the gyno.
 
and oh yea...ill get some dostinex, lots of people on here claim it doesnt work but hey its like 60 bucks to find out.
 
if you have prolactin issues you can get both bromo and selegiline quite cheap and they are very effective.
Bromo is a bit on the strong side for some.

Highly reccomend selegiline to pretty much everyone, its quite suitable for extended use and has a number of health benefits
 
Bromo is one of the worst products you can use, horrible side-effects! stuff makes you want to rip your guts out.

Dostinex is the best product for prolactin sides...
 
not really, its definitely the most expensive. Low dose bromo is quite tolerable for most people.

however generally reccomend selegiline which raises natural dopamine levels and also has a number of neurological benefits.
 
bromo has the worst sides out of all the anti-prolactin products, comes close to the sides/throwing up with PGF2a, I wouldn't recommend it - especially when dostinex is on the market.
 
Mr.X said:
comes close to the sides/throwing up with PGF2a,

pgf2a alpha does not cause that kind of nausea, it cause diarrhea via strong bowel (uterine as well if you have one) contractions (which is why PGF2a is an an abortion agent)
 
oh heck yeah PGF2a causes nausea, try using it sometime. PGF2a made me cramp up and I kept throwing up until I was dry. Had a client of mine who decided on his own to use P2a and ended up trying to throw up while his diarrhea was happening - horrible situation.

I don't get why people want to suffer, just use dostinex and forget about the bromo sides.
 
as noted previously- bromo does have sides, but its very cheap, its effective and at low doses sides are not an issue for most (especially if taken before bed as opposed to during the day.

though still reccomend SELEGILINE over both of them, it well suited for continual use and has a lot of other benefits.
 
It is an issue, bromo has bad sides even at low dosages. Dostinex is a far superior product with no sides.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
yes you are..

LOL! too funny building your internet persona, I'll leave you to it.

macrophage69alpha said:
just to clarify, used PGF2a before this forum even existed - that would be before you were a member.

"sure" you have ;)
 
When I do searches on SELEGILINE I dont see much in reference to prolactin reducing, seems like its more of an anti-depressant or brain functioning improving drug.

Im currently running cabergoline to boost my libido post cycle ( 0.5mg E5D ), it took a couple weeks to feel anything but Im pretty damn horny now.

But I wonder if SELEGILINE is a better choice for this.
 
1: Endocrine. 1999 Jun;10(3):225-32. Links
L-deprenyl inhibits tumor growth, reduces serum prolactin, and suppresses brain monoamine metabolism in rats with carcinogen-induced mammary tumors.ThyagaRajan S, Quadri SK.
Neuroendocrine Research Laboratory, Kansas State University, Manhattan, USA. [email protected]

Previously, we have reported that L-deprenyl decreased the incidence of mammary tumors and pituitary tumors in old acyclic rats. The objective of the present study was to investigate the effects of L-deprenyl, a monoamine oxidase-B (MAO-B) inhibitor, treatment on the development and growth of tumors and on the metabolism of catecholamines and indoleamine in the medial basal hypothalamus (MBH) and the striatum (ST) of rats bearing 7,12-dimethylbenzanthracene (DMBA)-induced mammary tumors. Female Sprague-Dawley rats with DMBA-induced mammary tumors were injected (sc) daily with 0.25 mg or 5.0 mg of deprenyl/kg BW or the vehicle (saline; control) for 12 wk. Tumor diameter, tumor number, body weight, and feed intake were measured every week of the treatment period. Serum PRL and the concentrations of catecholamines, indoleamine, and their metabolites were measured by RIA and HPLC, respectively. Treatment with 5.0 mg deprenyl decreased the tumor diameter, tumor number, and serum prolactin (PRL) level. Although the body weight increased in all three groups, the body weight gain in the 5.0 mg group was smaller than that in the control and 0.25 mg groups. Deprenyl treatment had no effect on feed intake. The concentrations of dihydroxyphenylacetic acid (DOPAC) and homovanillic acid (HVA) were decreased in the MBH and the ST, and the concentration of 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid (5-HIAA) was decreased in the MBH of deprenyl-treated rats. Treatment with 5.0 mg deprenyl enhanced the concentrations of norepinephrine (NE) and serotonin (5-HT) in the MBH and in the ST, and the concentration of dopamine (DA) in the MBH. These results suggest that the suppression of the development and growth of DMBA-induced mammary tumors by chronic deprenyl treatment may be mediated through alterations in the synthesis and metabolism of catecholamines and indoleamine in the MBH and inhibition of PRL secretion


1: Clin Neuropharmacol. 2003 Jul-Aug;26(4):193-5. Links
Selegiline in the treatment of sexual dysfunction in schizophrenic patients maintained on neuroleptics: a pilot study.Kodesh A, Weizman A, Aizenberg D, Hermesh H, Gelkopf M, Zemishlany Z.
Lev Hasharon Mental Health Medical Center, Pardessiya, Israel.

A double-blind, placebo-controlled crossover study was undertaken in 10 neuroleptic-treated male schizophrenic outpatients to assess the effect of coadministration of selegiline 15 mg/day for 3 weeks on their sexual dysfunction. Selegiline was not found to be effective in improving any domain of sexual functioning despite a significant decrease in prolactin levels (P < 0.05). This study emphasizes the complex nature of sexual dysfunction in schizophrenic-treated patients and the need for placebo-controlled trials for this condition.





cabergoline is better established for its sexual effects

1: Int J Impot Res. 2006 May 18; [Epub ahead of print] Links
Cabergoline treatment in men with psychogenic erectile dysfunction: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study.Nickel M, Moleda D, Loew T, Rother W, Gil FP.
[1] 1Clinic for Psychosomatic, Inntalklinik, Simbach/Inn, Germany [2] 2University Clinic for Psychiatry 1, PMU, Salzburg, Austria.

The effectiveness of cabergoline in 50 men with psychogenic erectile dysfunction was investigated in a 4-month, randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind study with validated psychological tests, and prolactin, follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone and testosterone serum levels. Cabergoline treatment was well-tolerated and resulted in normalization of hormone levels in most cases. In the cabergoline-treated group, significant interactions between prolactin and testosterone serum concentrations were observed. Erectile function improved significantly. Sexual desire, orgasmic function, and the patient's and his partner's sexual satisfaction were also enhanced. Cabergoline may be an effective and safe alternative agent for men with psychogenic ED.International Journal of Impotence Research advance online publication, 18 May 2006; doi:10.1038/sj.ijir.3901483.


however as with selegiline effect on prolactin was found in schizophrenics, but no improvement in sexual function reported (though they may not have found that relevant)

: J Clin Psychiatry. 2004 Feb;65(2):187-90. Links
Comment in:
J Clin Psychiatry. 2004 Oct;65(10):1429-30; author reply 1430.
Cabergoline treatment of risperidone-induced hyperprolactinemia: a pilot study.Cavallaro R, Cocchi F, Angelone SM, Lattuada E, Smeraldi E.
Department of Neuropsychiatric Sciences, San Raffaele Scientific Institute Hospital, Vita Salute University Medical School, Via Stamira D'Ancona 20, 20127 Milan, Italy. [email protected]

BACKGROUND: D(2) blockers, including the atypical antipsychotic risperidone, induce hyper-prolactinemia in a significant number of patients treated. The endocrine and sexual side effects related to hyperprolactinemia significantly impair tolerability and compliance in patients, including those with a good response to risperidone. This pilot study aimed to evaluate the efficacy and tolerability of a low dose of cabergoline, a D(2) agonist, in the treatment of risperidone-induced hyperprolactinemia. METHOD: Nineteen male and female DSM-IV-defined schizophrenic patients who were clinical responders to risperidone but were suffering from symptomatic hyperprolactinemia were treated with cabergoline, 0.125 to 0.250 mg/week for 8 weeks. Plasma prolactin level was assessed at baseline and at the end of the study. Data were collected from January 2002 to April 2003. RESULTS: After cabergoline treatment, the mean decrease in plasma prolactin levels was statistically significant (p <.05) for the total sample, and 11 patients showed remission of clinical signs with prolactin values within the normal range. No side effect was observed or reported, and the patients' psychopathology was unchanged. CONCLUSIONS: Results suggest that low-dose cabergoline treatment of risperidone-induced hyperprolactinemia may be safe and clinically effective in a relevant number of patients.
 
note- while there is no direct comparative, cabergoline and bromo are likely stronger suppressors of prolactin than selegiline.

the benefit of selegiline is that it can be used pretty much continually and its modulation of dopamine metabolism provides other benefits that dopamine agonists like bromo and caber do not.
 
i have used bromo at doses of up to 5mg a night with no side effects
i think you have to try for yourself and see how you react
i am going to look inot getting some selegiline for my up coming deca cycle
 
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