First time tren

[Half_Natty]

Evening folks!

I've got two cycles behind me which were both Test @ 500-750mg and NPP @ 300mg per week for 12 weeks. Last cycle finished around the middle of August last year.

My proposed cycle is
40mg Dbol per day 1-4
250mg Test E per week 1 - 8
350mg Tren Ace per week, pinning everyday. 1 - 8
500mg Test E per week 8-12
HGC 1000iu's per week 1-12

Im using a low dose of test as I have read a lot about running a higher mg than the tren can bring on worse sides. I will however up the doseage if neccessary. I have enough to run 500mg for 12 weeks.

Dbol and Test E will be the only causes of water retention and gyno due to the conversion to estrogen. I have read that Nolvadex is not to be taken when on Tren as this induces Prolactin and Progesterone sides. So i will be running 50 to 100mg of Proviron ED for its very mild Anti-E capabilities. I will also be running 2 small does of 0.25mg Cabergoline per week to keep the Prolactin at bay.

The usual PCT Protocol will be in place 18 days after my last Test E shot consisting of Clomid 100/100/50/50 and Nolva 40/40/20/20.

I will be injecting the Tren Sub-Q to try and avoid tren cough as ive read to just stay consistant with how I pin it, so i shouldnt switch between sub-q and intra.

The test is Aburaihan, tren is Malay Tiger and Dbol is AlphaPharma

Stats currently - 6 foot - 211lbs - 15% BF - 23 years old.

Diet plan is set at 3700 kcals with macros at carbs 45% - protein 45% - fat 10%

Training is heavy, low rep compound movements and both heavy low rep and lighter high rep isolation movements.

I have Enough NPP to last 10 weeks as well so if the tren doesn't agree with me I will swap the compounds out or just come off if advised otherwise.

Appreciate any feedback. I still have much to learn so please don't hold back!

 

[RADAR]

Evening folks!

I've got two cycles behind me which were both Test @ 500-750mg and NPP @ 300mg per week for 12 weeks. Last cycle finished around the middle of August last year.

My proposed cycle is
40mg Dbol per day 1-4
250mg Test E per week 1 - 8
350mg Tren Ace per week, pinning everyday. 1 - 8
500mg Test E per week 8-12
HGC 1000iu's per week 1-12

Im using a low dose of test as I have read a lot about running a higher mg than the tren can bring on worse sides. I will however up the doseage if neccessary. I have enough to run 500mg for 12 weeks.

Dbol and Test E will be the only causes of water retention and gyno due to the conversion to estrogen. I have read that Nolvadex is not to be taken when on Tren as this induces Prolactin and Progesterone sides. So i will be running 50 to 100mg of Proviron ED for its very mild Anti-E capabilities. I will also be running 2 small does of 0.25mg Cabergoline per week to keep the Prolactin at bay.

The usual PCT Protocol will be in place 18 days after my last Test E shot consisting of Clomid 100/100/50/50 and Nolva 40/40/20/20.

I will be injecting the Tren Sub-Q to try and avoid tren cough as ive read to just stay consistant with how I pin it, so i shouldnt switch between sub-q and intra.

The test is Aburaihan, tren is Malay Tiger and Dbol is AlphaPharma

Stats currently - 6 foot - 211lbs - 15% BF - 23 years old.

Diet plan is set at 3700 kcals with macros at carbs 45% - protein 45% - fat 10%

Training is heavy, low rep compound movements and both heavy low rep and lighter high rep isolation movements.

I have Enough NPP to last 10 weeks as well so if the tren doesn't agree with me I will swap the compounds out or just come off if advised otherwise.

Appreciate any feedback. I still have much to learn so please don't hold back!

Run the test for 12 weeks to allow the long ester a chance to break down in the body. I would just run Test and tren and leave off the NNP. Tren dosage 250-350mg for 8-10 weeks.

 

[Half_Natty]

Run the test for 12 weeks to allow the long ester a chance to break down in the body. I would just run Test and tren and leave off the NNP. Tren dosage 250-350mg for 8-10 weeks.

Thanks for the quick response.
I was only going to runn the NPP if i dropped of the tren due to the bad sides.
Is that 250mg or 500mg for the 12 weeks sorry of just see which doseage i respond to better?
Should I start off with the lower dose of tren and increase as i go through the cycle?
I will run it for 8-10 as well.
Thanks again!

 

[bigstan1]

I would stick with a single dose of tren. Also doubling your dose of Test E at the end is unnecessary IMO, better do a front load and take the bigger dose from week 1-4, then lower to 250mg and stick with it.

 

[Gboyt]

How did the npp treat you at 300mg? I'm trying my first run with it soon. 175mg test and 300npp until i can asess side effects then i'm upping the npp to 450

 

[christdupont]

Id say have a 2:1 ration or a 3:2 atleast test vs npp if not libido will maybe be a problem

 

[zmyj88]

....unless the cabers in there

 

[christdupont]

I would not risk it , but thats just me , i keep higher test even with caber

 

[polarbear1134]

I would not risk it , but thats just me , i keep higher test even with caber

Can't speak for NPP but with tren having test higher than tren is the #1 cause of terrible sides.
In a test/tren cycle the test has no purpose other than to replace the test you loose from shut down keeping things working in the bedroom.

100-250 a week a test is more than enough for that. Add in caber and AI and your gf won't know what to do with you, neither will be getting any sleep at all.

 

[Gboyt]

Progesterone needs estrogen to increase in your body so by running test low i'm keeping estrogen extremely manageable with the hopes of not getting gyno. I'm not a fan of running all these drugs like caber to combat sides. I dont even like taking arimidex because it makes my hands and voice tremble at times but i need it. Went 5 weeks without arimidex on 500mg test and i was destroying everything in my house and then collapsing to the floor crying for no apparent reason. Even broke down in the gym once because the song i was listening to was so beautiful .. lol .. i can only speak for my own body but with all that estrogen from test 2x higher than nandrolone i would need a bra. I'll be running proviron to preserve libido but back to the tren! Sorry for hijacking your thread op!