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Clenbuterol - Best u have used for getting ripped?

How Good is clenbuterol for shredding up

  • Didn't do much for me

    Votes: 89 20.7%

  • Pretty good about same as fat burners etc

    Votes: 169 39.4%

  • Simply Awesome! Will SHRED you!!

    Votes: 163 38.0%
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Please respond if you have used clenbuterol, curious just how awesome it is at ripping you up, also heard /read it can maintain muscle mass if not make you grow just a bit? weight in please
 
i tried clen and wasnt too impressed, i like Eca stack much better.
 
I've only used Oxyflux on two separate occassions and didn't really feel much on it.
I got some AG-Guys LiquiClen and T3 on the way. I'm sure this stack will do the trick!
 
Ive never used clenbuterol to ripp the fat off, I think its anti-katabolic effect is much better than the effect of cutting. In the first usage I mention its great..
 
petalpusher said:
I've only used Oxyflux on two separate occassions and didn't really feel much on it.
I got some AG-Guys LiquiClen and T3 on the way. I'm sure this stack will do the trick!
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Oxyflux is questionable. AG-GUYS clen is very potent.
 
If you're going to use clen, try adding some T3 with it (that will help upregulate your beta receptors).

Benadryl will work for that too, and I always tell people never to take Clen without taking some benadryl before bed each night also.

Why?

As you know, Benadryl, at around 50-100mgs/night before bed (every 3rd week or so, for that week) will help with keeping your beta-receptors working properly. Beta receptors are embedded in the cell's outer phospholipid membrane. The stability of the membrane has a lot to do with the proper function of the receptors.

Methylation of the phospholipids is stimulated by the binding of beta agonists to their receptors. Methylated phospholipids are foreign to the body, and when the body recognizes tham as foreign, it breaks them down with phospholipase A2. This changes the structure of the outer membrane which results in desensitizaton of the beta receptors. On the other hand, agents that inhibit phospholipase A2 slow desensitization.

Cationic ampiphylic drugs are known for their ability to inhibit phospholipase A2. Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is a cationic ampiphylic drug.

Ergo, Benadryl slows desensitization of Beta receptors (i.e. Upgrades them) by inhibiting phospholipase A2, which is the enzyme that breaks down methylated phospholipids, and this action in turn keeps the phospholipid membrane stable, and thus keeps the receptors functioning properly.

This will allow you to use clen for much longer and it'll still have the same effects. Also, since Benadryl is an anti-histamine, and histamines have a direct effect on beta-adrenoreceptors (not just Beta-2?s but all of them), using an anti-histamine will have a direct effect on reducing beta-receptor stimulation, and thus upregulating your beta-receptors.

In addition, many athletes have issues sleeping while on clen, and Benadryl before bed can help with that.

Finally, stimulants are well known to cause Anxiety in some, and clenbuterol is a stimulant; Benadryl is widely prescribed as an OTC anti-anxiety medication, when people go to emergency rooms with classic panic attack/anxiety symptoms.

SO using benadryl with your clen will upgrade your receptors, help you sleep, and avert stimulant based anxiety.
 
Anthony Roberts, what are your thoughts on clens anti-catabolic properties? I've used it several times and I must say Im sure it does show signs of being anti-catabolic, perhaps could be used as a pct tool or bridge between cycles.
 
also i hear you can run clen for 8 weeks straight now?? what do you think about that?
 
petalpusher said:
I've only used Oxyflux on two separate occassions and didn't really feel much on it.
I got some AG-Guys LiquiClen and T3 on the way. I'm sure this stack will do the trick!
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AG clen and T-3 rocks
 
racoon_city said:
also i hear you can run clen for 8 weeks straight now?? what do you think about that?
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Yeah, man...I actually say that if you use Benadry.....you can go for up to 12 weeks...

Also, if you're doing a cutting cycle and you use T3 (which upregulates Beta-receptors), and Benadryl (which also does that), you should make sure you are including testosterone in that cycle as well, since research indicates that testosterone also upregulates beta receptors*!

So there's the reasoning behind the Test/Clen/T3 Cutting cycle that alot of guys find to be so effective...add in some Benadryl and you may not even feel that stimulant crash when it's over...your receptors should remain WIDE-OPEN with this cutting combo...

*Endocrinology. 1990 Feb;126(2):1229-34.
 
tempest2003 said:
anyone else vouch for this benaryl buisness?
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I did a poll on two different boards asking people who've tried it if it worked for them...99% of the people who responded said it worked...

If you google clen + benadryl + hooker (my old handle- and the benadryl thing is my own original idea....so you'll get more hits if you include "hooker" in your search), you'll see alot of people on alot of boards have had success with my method(s)... :coffee:
 
yea I did this before stated b on 14th day seemed to work started to shred up good after 4 weeks.Not sure when exact time to start taking be though.
 
I'm about to start using clen for PCT, i'm using it for the anti catabolic properties....but im worried about loosing too much weight. Do you bros have any suggestions on how I can use clen without loosing too much weight. Oh and does clen supress your appetite like most stimulants do?
 
Islandkurry said:
I'm about to start using clen for PCT, i'm using it for the anti catabolic properties....but im worried about loosing too much weight. Do you bros have any suggestions on how I can use clen without loosing too much weight. Oh and does clen supress your appetite like most stimulants do?
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If you're worried about possible loses, just run a straight clomid therapy or nolvadex + some HCG. Also, clen does lower appetite for some folks.
 
Mr.X said:
If you're worried about possible loses, just run a straight clomid therapy or nolvadex + some HCG. Also, clen does lower appetite for some folks.
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Thanks for the advice Mr.X, I ran HCG for 10 days and now im doing nolva + clomid. I figure I might as well try some of that clen since I did spend 60 bucks on it, what if I ran it at a lower dosage? Would that even do anything.
 
anthony roberts said:
Whaddya wanna know about benadryl?
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Just how long clen can be effective, and how much benadryl needs to be used (dosage), also I think Tylenol PM has the same active ingredient too, right?

Thanks a lot.
 
can one use 12.5 mcg of T3+clen+benydryl for a nice cutting cycle??? Ive read that 12.5 per day of T3 won't shut down your thyroid much but it can still be effective b/c it helps with nutrient uptake and muscle hardness.
 
thewanderer690 said:
can one use 12.5 mcg of T3+clen+benydryl for a nice cutting cycle??? Ive read that 12.5 per day of T3 won't shut down your thyroid much but it can still be effective b/c it helps with nutrient uptake and muscle hardness.
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bump on this
 
I'm 1 week into my Clen - T3 stack and would like to know how much benydryl you are talking about.
And Mr.X...What do have to say about this???
 
I used it and got very nice results. but it seemed aft I stoped using it, i got the flab back in like 3 months, even though I was working out harder and running a lot. But it could be i was just plane out right eating to much! I used it by its self, and I used it 3 days on 1 off for 2 months.
 
Anadrol_king said:
I used it and got very nice results. but it seemed aft I stoped using it, i got the flab back in like 3 months, even though I was working out harder and running a lot. But it could be i was just plane out right eating to much! I used it by its self, and I used it 3 days on 1 off for 2 months.
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Your diet was off, I can almost guarantee it.
 
Pikaberdot said:
Just how long clen can be effective, and how much benadryl needs to be used (dosage), also I think Tylenol PM has the same active ingredient too, right?

Thanks a lot.
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Tylenol PM doesn't have the same antihistamine properties as benadryl.
 
I dont' know about this one.... I have used Beta 2 drugs for years and years now (Mostly Clen and ECA), and I take Benadryl EVERY NIGHT for sleep probs.... I have never seen a benefit of keeping Beta 2 receptors fresh longer..... Not saying it's not true, but I've never seen it from personal expierence..... Use Clen for 12 weeks? You gotta be fucking kidding me man.... Even back when we did Clen 2 days on, 2 days off, we never did that more then 6 weeks..... Even Ephedrine won't give the same results after 12 weeks of use, and Ephedrine is proven to not downgrade the Beta 2 receptor as hard as Clen does..... I still would use Clen 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off..... Whether if your using Benadryl or not, or T3, or Test.... Like it or not, Beta 2 receptors downgrade quick, kinda like opiate receptors.... I work in medical field with people that take Beta 2 drugs for breathing purposes..... If Benadryl made the Beta 2 drugs "That much more" effective, I'm sure the medical community would know it.....

rizz
 
Prizz said:
I dont' know about this one.... I have used Beta 2 drugs for years and years now (Mostly Clen and ECA), and I take Benadryl EVERY NIGHT for sleep probs.... I have never seen a benefit of keeping Beta 2 receptors fresh longer.....
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While the effect of benadryl might be true, I still suggest people take 2on/2off with clen. There's no reason to run the product straight for 10-12 weeks.
 
Mr.X said:
While the effect of benadryl might be true, I still suggest people take 2on/2off with clen. There's no reason to run the product straight for 10-12 weeks.
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Hey X, I have a question for you concerning T3 with clen. My cycle will last for 12wks (just finished week one). I am using clen (2on 2off as suggested) but I decide to wait until the last six weeks to kick in the T3 because that's when you start shedding the more stubborn fat. Is this OK to do or should you use it the first 6 weeks?
 
marvelous54 said:
Hey X, I have a question for you concerning T3 with clen. My cycle will last for 12wks (just finished week one). I am using clen (2on 2off as suggested) but I decide to wait until the last six weeks to kick in the T3 because that's when you start shedding the more stubborn fat. Is this OK to do or should you use it the first 6 weeks?
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In theory, that would seem like the way to go. However, in practice, I found T3 intake timing didn't make a huge difference. Since you'll be eating carbs and doing refeeds, you should have your metabolic rate humming at a good level.
 
Mr.X said:
In theory, that would seem like the way to go. However, in practice, I found T3 intake timing didn't make a huge difference. Since you'll be eating carbs and doing refeeds, you should have your metabolic rate humming at a good level.
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Good deal! So would it be wise just to go ahead and start the T3 this week? BTW I had another (?) for ya on my carb reloading post as well? Thanks for all the help bro! I know I ask a lot of questions butI honestky use the info! :coffee:
 
marvelous54 said:
Good deal! So would it be wise just to go ahead and start the T3 this week? BTW I had another (?) for ya on my carb reloading post as well? Thanks for all the help bro! I know I ask a lot of questions butI honestky use the info! :coffee:
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I can't remember your diet, what does that look like? if your diet is dialed in and you're going strong why add the t3?
 
i've usedclen different ways, either ED or 2 on 2 off, 2 weeks on 2 off, sometimes 8 weeks straight. is it true that our body's receptors for clen get used to it after 2 weeks or is thst BS? i found no matter how i take it, it works good, probably best ED for about a moth and then taking 2 weeks off before starting again. i also always used low doses. never went over .20mcg/day. what dose do u guys think is best?
 
Mr.X said:
I can't remember your diet, what does that look like? if your diet is dialed in and you're going strong why add the t3?
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Hey X, I just posted everything on my thread "Carb Loading Today" to keep us from going back and forth between the two threads. :coffee:
 
I've used clen in the past and wasn't crazy about it. After read some of this info I believe i was taking it incorrectly. I'm getting married in Sept and want to look good for the wedding and I plan on using Clen + T3 + Winny + (EQ or Deca) along with ED. I need to lose about twenty pounds to get where i want to be. So i should take the clen 2on/2off and at what dosage? and the T3 at the end? and also at what dosage? What do you guys think is best?
 
Supra5469 said:
I've used clen in the past and wasn't crazy about it. After read some of this info I believe i was taking it incorrectly. I'm getting married in Sept and want to look good for the wedding and I plan on using Clen + T3 + Winny + (EQ or Deca) along with ED. I need to lose about twenty pounds to get where i want to be. So i should take the clen 2on/2off and at what dosage? and the T3 at the end? and also at what dosage? What do you guys think is best?
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I would definitely use some test. Last thing you want on your wedding night is Deca dick.

Clenbuterol Directions

Day 1-2: 20mcg
Day 3-4: 40mcg
Day 5-6: 60mcg
Day 7-9: 80mcg
Day 10-12: 40mcg
Day 13-14: 20mcg

T3 CYCLE:
30ml @ 50mcg/ml of LiquiT3 = 1500mcg/ per bottle

Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 25mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 11-13: 75mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 100mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 18-21: 125mcg (split into 5 doses, 3 hrs in between)
Day 22-25: 100mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 75mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)

Should supplement with Taurine @ 3-5g/ed and potasium @ 1-2G/ED
 
marvelous54 said:
I would definitely use some test. Last thing you want on your wedding night is Deca dick.

Clenbuterol Directions

Day 1-2: 20mcg
Day 3-4: 40mcg
Day 5-6: 60mcg
Day 7-9: 80mcg
Day 10-12: 40mcg
Day 13-14: 20mcg

T3 CYCLE:
30ml @ 50mcg/ml of LiquiT3 = 1500mcg/ per bottle

Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 25mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 11-13: 75mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 100mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 18-21: 125mcg (split into 5 doses, 3 hrs in between)
Day 22-25: 100mcg (split into 4 doses, 4 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 75mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)

Should supplement with Taurine @ 3-5g/ed and potasium @ 1-2G/ED
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Thanks Bro I definitely don't want Deca dick on my honeymoon...This is a great forum to be a part of everyone's willing to help

What test should I use and should it be instead of EQ or in addition too?
 
Supra5469 said:
Thanks Bro...This is a great forum to be a part of everyone's willing to help

What test should I use and should it be instead of EQ or in addition too?
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What are your stats, exact goals, your weight training experience, experience with AAS (how many/what type of cycles) and how long do you want to run this cycle for?

Remember first and foremost is a disciplined diet and WO routine!
 
marvelous54 said:
What are your stats, exact goals, your weight training experience, experience with AAS (how many/what type of cycles) and how long do you want to run this cycle for?

Remember first and foremost is a disciplined diet and WO routine!
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I've done many cycles over the years its been my routine to get in shape every year or every other year during my 20's and early 30's. I'm 36 5'8" 200lbs now, my best shape was with me at 185 rock solid muscle and lean. I can't remember exactly how many but i'd guess 5-7cycles over twelve years, always lean muscle cycles I'm not the one to put on 15-20lbs more like 8-10lbs, now i'm looking to loss weight and gain lean muscle. I think a 12 week cycle would be good. What would you recomend? and yes A disciplined diet and WO routines are foremost. I get really into it, its a lifestyle change, needed lifestyle change!
 
Supra5469 said:
I've done many cycles over the years its been my routine to get in shape every year or every other year during my 20's and early 30's. I'm 36 5'8" 200lbs now, my best shape was with me at 185 rock solid muscle and lean. I can't remember exactly how many but i'd guess 5-7cycles over twelve years, always lean muscle cycles I'm not the one to put on 15-20lbs more like 8-10lbs, now i'm looking to loss weight and gain lean muscle. I think a 12 week cycle would be good. What would you recomend? and yes A disciplined diet and WO routines are foremost. I get really into it, its a lifestyle change, needed lifestyle change!
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I would run something similar to this:

Cycle

Sust - 500mg/wk wks1-12
EQ - 500mg/wk wks1-12
Winny - 50mg/ed wks 8-15 (by week 15 the slower esters in the sust will be @ half life)
Liquidex - .5mg/ed wks1-15

Remember your pct as well

If it's your first time with T3, I would drop the dosages to something like this:

Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 12.5mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 25mcg (one dose in the morning)
Day 11-13: 37.5mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 18-25: 75mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 37.5mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)
 
marvelous54 said:
I would run something similar to this:

Cycle

Sust - 500mg/wk wks1-12
EQ - 500mg/wk wks1-12
Winny - 50mg/ed wks 8-15 (by week 15 the slower esters in the sust will be @ half life)
Liquidex - .5mg/ed wks1-15

Remember your pct as well

If it's your first time with T3, I would drop the dosages to something like this:

Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 12.5mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 25mcg (one dose in the morning)
Day 11-13: 37.5mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 18-25: 75mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 37.5mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)
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What would you recomend for a PCT? I hate to admit this but I never did any thing after cycles just ended shots. I never got my hands on clomid or HCG and of course If i didn't have it, oh well. I definitely want to do it rught this time.
I see you didn't list the clen above, is that on purpose?
Sorry i've totally hi-jacked this thread
 
Supra5469 said:
What would you recomend for a PCT? I hate to admit this but I never did any thing after cycles just ended shots. I never got my hands on clomid or HCG and of course If i didn't have it, oh well. I definitely want to do it rught this time.
I see you didn't list the clen above, is that on purpose?
Sorry i've totally hi-jacked this thread
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Keep Nolva on hand throughout cycle in case signs of gyno appear

PCT
Clomid
300mg day 1
100mg/ed for next 13 days
50mg/ed for next 14 days
Continue using the liquidex throughout pct as well

Just use the clen at the rate I mentioned in the previous post. Those clen dosages will be fine for first time. I just wanted to change the T3 for you for the first use. I would also get all my blood work checked pre and post cycle to make sure everything is well.
 
marvelous54 said:
Keep Nolva on hand throughout cycle in case signs of gyno appear

PCT
Clomid
300mg day 1
100mg/ed for next 13 days
50mg/ed for next 14 days
Continue using the liquidex throughout pct as well

Just use the clen at the rate I mentioned in the previous post. Those clen dosages will be fine for first time. I just wanted to change the T3 for you for the first use. I would also get all my blood work checked pre and post cycle to make sure everything is well.
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Just had my blood work done eveything fine... i'll check after also. Thanks for all the info, huge help!!... I just have to stock up now
 
Supra5469 said:
Just had my blood work done eveything fine... i'll check after also. Thanks for all the info, huge help!!... I just have to stock up now
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No prob bro! Ask anything and research to make sure what I say is right, haha :coffee:

k to you bro
 
petalpusher said:
I've only used Oxyflux on two separate occassions and didn't really feel much on it.
I got some AG-Guys LiquiClen and T3 on the way. I'm sure this stack will do the trick!
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Oxyflux is garbage. I'd have to take like 200mcg to feel even a lil somethin. Spiropent is the shit. Clen will burn the extra fat off and rip up you in proper conjunction.
 
Slyder190 said:
Oxyflux is garbage. I'd have to take like 200mcg to feel even a lil somethin. Spiropent is the shit. Clen will burn the extra fat off and rip up you in proper conjunction.
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Oxyflux does suck.

Liquid clen all the way. I don't bother with tabs anymore. :coffee:
 
there are plenty of solid tablet manufacturers out there.

If taking clen, it is essential to take taurine, potassium, magnesium and ALCAR.

ALCAR in particular for its cardioprotective benefits.

J Appl Physiol. 2005 Apr;98(4):1379-86. Epub 2004 Dec 10. Related Articles, Links


beta2-Adrenergic receptor stimulation in vivo induces apoptosis in the rat heart and soleus muscle.

Burniston JG, Tan LB, Goldspink DF.

Research Institute for Sports and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores Univ., Webster St., Liverpool, L3 2ET, United Kingdom. [email protected]

High doses of the beta2-adrenergic receptor (AR) agonist clenbuterol can induce necrotic myocyte death in the heart and slow-twitch skeletal muscle of the rat. However, it is not known whether this agent can also induce myocyte apoptosis and whether this would occur at a lower dose than previously reported for myocyte necrosis. Male Wistar rats were given single subcutaneous injections of clenbuterol. Immunohistochemistry was used to detect myocyte-specific apoptosis (detected on cryosections via a caspase 3 antibody and confirmed with annexin V, single-strand DNA labeling, and terminal deoxynucleotidyl transferase-mediated dUTP nick-end labeling). Myocyte apoptosis was first detected at 2 h and peaked 4 h after clenbuterol administration. The lowest dose of clenbuterol to induce cardiomyocyte apoptosis was 1 microg/kg , with peak apoptosis (0.35 +/- 0.05%; P < 0.05) occurring in response to 5 mg/kg. In the soleus, peak apoptosis (5.8 +/- 2%; P < 0.05) was induced by the lower dose of 10 microg/kg. Cardiomyocyte apoptosis was detected throughout the ventricles, atria, and papillary muscles. However, this damage was most abundant in the left ventricular subendocardium at a point 1.6 mm, that is, approximately one-quarter of the way, from the apex toward the base. beta-AR antagonism (involving propranolol, bisoprolol, or ICI 118551) or reserpine was used to show that clenbuterol-induced myocardial apoptosis was mediated through neuromodulation of the sympathetic system and the cardiomyocyte beta1-AR, whereas in the soleus direct stimulation of the myocyte beta2-AR was involved. These data show that, when administered in vivo, beta2-AR stimulation by clenbuterol is detrimental to cardiac and skeletal muscles even at low doses, by inducing apoptosis through beta1- and beta2-AR, respectively.
 
I took 5 tabs a day and lost 10 lbs in 7 weeks after a cycle and got stronger too. Looked nice cut. Heavy cramps here and there and shit though..
Probably not enough water intake. But I looked great.. :-)

Last times I looked for the anti-catabolic effect. I started near the end of
cycle and continued many weeks with a 2 days on 2 days off and 2 weeks on
2 weeks off schedule. My dose was only 2 tabs a day. Muscles remain harder
and stronger after cycle. Still weight goes down, but takes longer.
Clen is a nice tool I think.
 
ilpadrone said:
I took 5 tabs a day and lost 10 lbs in 7 weeks after a cycle and got stronger too. Looked nice cut. Heavy cramps here and there and shit though..
Probably not enough water intake. But I looked great.. :-)

Last times I looked for the anti-catabolic effect. I started near the end of
cycle and continued many weeks with a 2 days on 2 days off and 2 weeks on
2 weeks off schedule. My dose was only 2 tabs a day. Muscles remain harder
and stronger after cycle. Still weight goes down, but takes longer.
Clen is a nice tool I think.
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I noticed you mentioned cramps, did you use taurine?
 
Should the taurine be taken with the clen or after training? Or doesnt it matter?

If you mentionned clen with the words 'anti-catabolic' on this board 6 months back ebveryone went beserk about how it was BS and disproven.

I use clen in PCT, I find my strength in the middle rep range rockets, I just get extra sets from nowhere. Used 1-2 tabs 2 days on 2 off. Never noticed significant fat burning at that dose even with 25mcg T3.

Only extensive cardio seems to get my BF% down.
 
mayb1day said:
What Type Of Taurine Mr.x? Reg Tabs From Gnc? How Many Mgs>
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AG has some taurine for sale, check their site. 3-5gr (3000mgs - 5000mgs) of taurine is a good start.
 
Hmz no didn't take that with it. So that's the stuff against the nasty cramps
then? In that case I can try a higher dose plan again next time.
I'll have a try soon coz summer's near here.. ;)
 
ilpadrone said:
Hmz no didn't take that with it. So that's the stuff against the nasty cramps
then? In that case I can try a higher dose plan again next time.
I'll have a try soon coz summer's near here.. ;)
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yeah, run taurine and potassium with clen, does wonders for the cramping. ;)
 
I have used ephedrine extensively in the past with good success. But I am now trying to get away from the sides--jitteriness, excitability, some anxiety.

Does clen produce the same sides as ephedrine? I am looking for appetite control with the clen also. Does it have the same suppressant effect as ECA stack?
 
jlh98765 said:
I have used ephedrine extensively in the past with good success. But I am now trying to get away from the sides--jitteriness, excitability, some anxiety.

Does clen produce the same sides as ephedrine? I am looking for appetite control with the clen also. Does it have the same suppressant effect as ECA stack?
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Clen is a cousin of ephedrine, so you will have the same jitteriness and other sides. The appetite control with clen use is person specific in terms of levels. Some people will get a little appetite suppression, some people will get a lot. It's a bit variable.
 
jlh98765 said:
Mr. X, what do you think is the "best" appetite suppressant?
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Honestly, I believe the best appetite suppressant is a low-carb (low insulin) diet with lots of fiber.
 
Good morning my fellow philosophizers and esteemed chemists.



Clen works better than ECA, T3 and all that JAZZ.

With one small exception DNP





Having made that fact a statement,


There is only on clen that actually works,


You are say “oh which clen is that grand Dali Lama” of the bodybuilders?



I will tell you my children,


That be of no tar baby or as we say back in the states, made in Mexico.





Spiropent
 
solidspine said:
Good morning my fellow philosophizers and esteemed chemists.



Clen works better than ECA, T3 and all that JAZZ.

With one small exception DNP





Having made that fact a statement,


There is only on clen that actually works,


You are say “oh which clen is that grand Dali Lama” of the bodybuilders?



I will tell you my children,


That be of no tar baby or as we say back in the states, made in Mexico.





Spiropent
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Spiropent is too hard for me to get ...I ended up with Ventolase --worked ok...how can i get spiropent :rolleyes:
 
I started 4 weeks ago. 1st day one clen tab, spiropent.
2nd day 2 and my hands were shaking already when doing nothing.
This was the same the 3th day on 2. Kind of irritanted quickly.. nervous.
2 days rest. So the 6th day I kicked in 3..
Damn. This irritation level got worse and when I did 4 on day 7 I was pissed
off so quickly that I decided to stop for now. I also felt it in my head.
Higher pressure all day long. I always take clen first thing in the morning or
else I can't sleep at night. I could bring the dose down of course, but didn't
want to. I make a new start in a few weeks.
Too busy with my work to be stressed out on clen.
Anyways.. still love the stuff

Done clen before (6to7 weeks) with good results, but with an easier start.
My muscles did become harder more quickly this time.
 
I got great results from DNP, but it's been awhile since I had some.. Worked great only on for 10 days, dropped some good BF. Clen worked good for me too, would do clen again.
 
Clen has been shown in some studies to cause heart problems. These studies were conducted on animals and they were given very large doses. It may also be possible to do yourself some permanent and possibly serious harm if you took a large overdose. With Clen more does not = better! I have never met or spoken to anyone who has been harmed as a direct result of using Clen. This does not mean it won't happen though. Like all drugs caution should be used and one should be very aware that there could be possible side effects.
 
KeepinMyGains said:
Clen has been shown in some studies to cause heart problems. These studies were conducted on animals and they were given very large doses. It may also be possible to do yourself some permanent and possibly serious harm if you took a large overdose. With Clen more does not = better! I have never met or spoken to anyone who has been harmed as a direct result of using Clen. This does not mean it won't happen though. Like all drugs caution should be used and one should be very aware that there could be possible side effects.
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This is very true. To add to this, the quality of the clenbuterol you're using is also important. For example, the factories we source from use a very stringent production method to ensure accurate dosing and proper ingredients. Our main backend is the same factory which supplies some big EU drug companies with clenbuterol. :)
 
cool thread!!!!! I sat here and read every post for the last 30 minutes. I'm guessing it doesnt matter how old threads are, i'm thinkn now the older the better like and aged wine lol
 
KeepinMyGains said:
Clen has been shown in some studies to cause heart problems. These studies were conducted on animals and they were given very large doses. It may also be possible to do yourself some permanent and possibly serious harm if you took a large overdose. With Clen more does not = better! I have never met or spoken to anyone who has been harmed as a direct result of using Clen. This does not mean it won't happen though. Like all drugs caution should be used and one should be very aware that there could be possible side effects.
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lets not forget there are no studies of equipoise on humans either---but the actions are believed to be identical--while there are a lower number of b2 receptors in humans it still is a very real potential side effect.

my worry is not about hardcore gear users who I think are a bit more careful in general--as they understand that aas and other substances are just an addition to training and part of a long term plan--my worry is about the 3 new female members and a bunch of noobs talking about clen for fast fat loss---these are overdoses waiting to happen

I mean I used it--in the recommended manner and never exceeded max dosage--I did not expect it to be a magic pill----these noobs think it is b/c of the tabloids touting celebrities using it---:rolleyes:.

when a few of these knuckleheads OD--like with ECA--it will become the next target--and put BB in the spotlight again
 
eddymerckx said:
lets not forget there are no studies of equipoise on humans either---but the actions are believed to be identical--while there are a lower number of b2 receptors in humans it still is a very real potential side effect.

my worry is not about hardcore gear users who I think are a bit more careful in general--as they understand that aas and other substances are just an addition to training and part of a long term plan--my worry is about the 3 new female members and a bunch of noobs talking about clen for fast fat loss---these are overdoses waiting to happen

I mean I used it--in the recommended manner and never exceeded max dosage--I did not expect it to be a magic pill----these noobs think it is b/c of the tabloids touting celebrities using it---:rolleyes:.

when a few of these knuckleheads OD--like with ECA--it will become the next target--and put BB in the spotlight again
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My best friend died on the side of the highway due to ephedrine. His blood test came back and he did not exceed the suggested dose on the bottle. I have this in the back of my mind when I am giving Clen, DNP or OTC Stimulants advice. BTW im against DNP, but that's from my experience.

We as a whole i.e me, you and the rest of Mods, Staff, and Members can only hope people research what they are doing and be responsible. I'll take the time out of my day to help anyone with dosage protocol in hopes they do not start off with 100MCG + I completely understand where you are coming from.
 
Is it safe to inject clen?

okay--now I am pissed--stop reposting this same question in every forum----this is your last warning bro---you sound like a freaking 5 year old ij the back seat "are we there yet?"

eddy merckx
 
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one more time about inject clen and you will be banned from this site-----you are worse than my wife:mad:
 
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1bigfc said:
I got great results from DNP, but it's been awhile since I had some.. Worked great only on for 10 days, dropped some good BF. Clen worked good for me too, would do clen again.
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Stay away from DNP, it's deadly. You can use Clenbuterol + Diet and Cardio to get under 6% bodyfat easily , no need for DNP at all.
 
gator_mclusky said:
Spiropent worked wonders. Every other brand didnt come near Spiro.

gator
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Spiro is not a bad brand, but a lot of fakes of it on the market. In our local jurisdiction, essentially all spiro clenbuterol was not real. That's why we have our own manufacturers we work with to ensure quality every time.
 
I've tried Clen and T3 three times, and all three times I never really saw any great results from it. (three different sources, mind you) Of all the fat burners I've done, the one I had the best experience with is the LIPO 6, about a year and a half ago. Aslo, can anyone on here give a little more info about the ECA stack?
 
clen and t3 should be effective then lipo6.. did u have the same excerise program and diet on both runs?

eca stack gives me more energy and curbs hunger better then clen ...but i would rate clen better from a pure fat burning aspect .. atleast in my case

u do realize that cardio and diet are far more important then any sup or drug u can throw in your body for bodyfat control or loss right?
 
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