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Tren Handbook....must read!

Vascular Freak

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Produced by Vascular Freak for EF bro to reap max gains:

trenbolone Handbook:

Always run atleast 500mg test with trenbolone

Always used trenbolone ace and shoot ed

Always use between 40-80mg ed and no more or less

Always run ATLEAST 25mg winstrol ed with trenbolone to avoid prog buildup

Always run Dostinex - cabergoline - low dose at minimum while using trenbolone...about 1mg divided per week

Always use low dose T3 while on trenbolone (25mcg ed) since trenbolone supressed t3 levels which leads to prolactin buildup...t3 supresses prolactin

Always use cranberry extract to save kidneys

Always keep protein intake at 2.5g per lb bodyweight while on trenbolone or higher

Always train heavy while using trenbolone for maximum gains

Always choose Femera - letrozole - over aromasin and arimidex when using trenbolone since it will offset prog/prol sides much better...but only when using trenbolone

Always avoid carbs and heavy cals before bed to prevent night sweats..prot only

Always drink atleast 1.5 gallons water everyday...more is better
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Great Post bro!!!!! I am on a Tren A and Test P Cycle right now. I will be making some adjustments after reading your post.
 
why use always use tren ace over e? Are you going to get better gains from using tren a for a short time or using E for a 12 to 14 week cycle.
 
Vascular Freak said:
Always run atleast 500mg test with trenbolone

Do you think that you should always run more test than ace? I just ran 50mg/prop/ed with 37.5mg/ace/ed and saw awesome results for my first cycle with only the 350mg/wk of prop. For my next cycle I was thinking of keeping my dose of prop the same but upping the ace to somewhere between 50mg-75mg ed based on a post I read of nelsons about just using prop to supplement your cycle instead of basing a cycle on it.

Any thoughts?
 
UkKaReD said:
why use always use trenbolone ace over e? Are you going to get better gains from using trenbolone a for a short time or using E for a 12 to 14 week cycle.


gains are not going to better or worse but that is not the issue with tren...what is important is being able to control such a powerful substance so that you can use it effectively without all the nasty sides most people associate with it.....tren ace can be controlled day to day rather than waiiting a week to "feel" whether your daily dosage is correct
 
wzkid said:
Do you think that you should always run more test than ace? I just ran 50mg/testosterone propionate/ed with 37.5mg/ace/ed and saw awesome results for my first cycle with only the 350mg/wk of testosterone propionate. For my next cycle I was thinking of keeping my dose of testosterone propionate the same but upping the ace to somewhere between 50mg-75mg ed based on a post I read of nelsons about just using testosterone propionate to supplement your cycle instead of basing a cycle on it.

Any thoughts?

that should be fine bro....BUT i wouldn't go any lower than that with the prop but thats just me....with the dostinex/winstrol/proviron i run along with test and tren sex drive is through the roof....i basically will run as little test as possible to keep libido up....500mg seems just right for me, or about 150mg eod........i was shooting tren ace at 80mg ed for a few weeks and didn't notice anything but pure meat production!!
 
Vascular Freak said:
that should be fine bro....BUT i wouldn't go any lower than that with the testosterone propionate but thats just me....with the dostinex/winstrol/proviron i run along with test and trenbolone sex drive is through the roof....i basically will run as little test as possible to keep libido up....500mg seems just right for me, or about 150mg eod........i was shooting trenbolone ace at 80mg ed for a few weeks and didn't notice anything but pure meat production!!

what does the proviron do for this cycle?
 
Vascular Freak said:
Produced by Vascular Freak for EF bro to reap max gains:

trenbolone Handbook:

Always run atleast 500mg test with trenbolone

Always used trenbolone ace and shoot ed

Always use between 40-80mg ed and no more or less

Always run ATLEAST 25mg winstrol ed with trenbolone to avoid prog buildup

Always run Dostinex - cabergoline - low dose at minimum while using trenbolone...about 1mg divided per week

Always use low dose T3 while on trenbolone (25mcg ed) since trenbolone supressed t3 levels which leads to prolactin buildup...t3 supresses prolactin

Always use cranberry extract to save kidneys

Always keep protein intake at 2.5g per lb bodyweight while on trenbolone or higher

Always train heavy while using trenbolone for maximum gains

Always choose Femera - letrozole - over aromasin and arimidex when using trenbolone since it will offset prog/prol sides much better...but only when using trenbolone

Always avoid carbs and heavy cals before bed to prevent night sweats..prot only

Always drink atleast 1.5 gallons water everyday...more is better
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I'm curious where you got the ones I highlighted...
 
been on ace almost 3 weeks now.. veins are poping up in my lower abs and makin their way upwards, i love this shit..

im taking t3 with it but not because i heard it reduces your t3 levels.. just cause i wanted to :D

im actually running t4/t3 mix..

100mg winny ED

fun stuff besides all this joint pain.. i guess being 6'5'' kinda effects your knees a bit when your squating 450+
 
jmead said:
been on ace almost 3 weeks now.. veins are poping up in my lower abs and makin their way upwards, i love this shit..

im taking t3 with it but not because i heard it reduces your t3 levels.. just cause i wanted to :D

im actually running t4/t3 mix..

100mg Winstrol - stanozolol ED

fun stuff besides all this joint pain.. i guess being 6'5'' kinda effects your knees a bit when your squating 450+
I can't find that armour T3/T4 mix.
 
About to start Tren/Prop/Stan. Will def' apply some points made here.

Anthony... Your opinions on the T3 ????
Being in Australia, limited choices leave no option but Nolvadex also.

GM
 
It doesn't really matter whether you eat carbs at night, you're gonna sweat like a motherfucker. At least I did it. I used it to cut when carbs were scarce in my diet, and it was still the same. Ya wake up in the pool man!
 
Vascular Freak said:
Produced by Vascular Freak for EF bro to reap max gains:

trenbolone Handbook:

Always run atleast 500mg test with trenbolone

Always used trenbolone ace and shoot ed

Always use between 40-80mg ed and no more or less

Always run ATLEAST 25mg winstrol ed with trenbolone to avoid prog buildup

Always run Dostinex - cabergoline - low dose at minimum while using trenbolone...about 1mg divided per week

Always use low dose T3 while on trenbolone (25mcg ed) since trenbolone supressed t3 levels which leads to prolactin buildup...t3 supresses prolactin

Always use cranberry extract to save kidneys

Always keep protein intake at 2.5g per lb bodyweight while on trenbolone or higher

Always train heavy while using trenbolone for maximum gains

Always choose Femera - letrozole - over aromasin and arimidex when using trenbolone since it will offset prog/prol sides much better...but only when using trenbolone

Always avoid carbs and heavy cals before bed to prevent night sweats..prot only

Always drink atleast 1.5 gallons water everyday...more is better
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this is a good handbook for a perfect world. However some people can't mess with winny do to joints. T3 isn't a compound I would suggest to someone with out giving them all the info needed. 2.5g of protein per lb is very expensive and maybe a bit over board. It is nearly impossible to eat that many in a day if you weigh 225. Unless you do it for a living and have ample time and endless cash. If I were to eat 575g of protein I would definately drink more than 1.5 gal a day of water. For me @350-400 grams a day I would have blood in my urine. I have a 5 gal cooler of water on my truck at all times and drink 15 20oz. bottle of water a day easily. Still wasn't enough. Very good read, just not applicable to most.
 
I never knew T3 supressed prolactin production. I can see why you would want T3 with the massivly androgenic/anabolic state you are creating for the purpose of incresing metabolic capacity. for prolactin you are better off doing low dose Cabergoline or bromo or even some OTC stuff like Murcina Puriens(sp?).

i can see the validity to the rest of those statements however. maybe a bit iffy on why letro over anything else though. On cycle it would seem that Adex would be plenty powerful for an anti-E.
 
I wouldnt pick it apart. I think it sets some great guidelines and you have to do what is best for your body. Obviously when cutting pre-contest all the rules are broken and you have entered the world of true Freakhood.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
I'm curious where you got the ones I highlighted...


Agreed ,
but its most likely his personal preference based on his results with Letro

The T-3 I have not heard before, but the T3 is supposed to increase protein turn over an hence faster muscle building alond side the Tren

Fonz and crew ( yeah I know) back in the day believed in this, but I never looked into it much so am unsure about it.
 
I am not going to knee-jerk and say the T-3 claims are a myth. I will say, however, the claims all stem from early investigation from studies like: (Res Vet Sci 1981 Jan;30(1):7-13) that did report lower thyroxine levels in sheep treated with Tre.n to increase lean meat production.

The problem is that (at least in ruminants) thyroxine levels drop with just about any steroid NOT just tre.n. It is hypothesized to be one of the reasons fat % drops, increasing relative lean meat in stock and is why estradiol is often added to the mix.

So if the taking of T-3 should be a recommended practice with tre.n, so should it be with ALL high adrogenergic steroids. In theory, anyway.
 
I have the T3 stuff in my original Tren profile...I'm not 100% sure I'd put it in there now.
 
This is definately best thread of the week material in my book. Good original post and very interesting discussion that follows. I love tren
 
if it didnt give acne i woudl always use it.

anyway. I had amazing results on 50mg eod with some tprop 100mg eod and tbol 30mg ed.
 
Slyder190 said:
It doesn't really matter whether you eat carbs at night, you're gonna sweat like a motherfucker. At least I did it. I used it to cut when carbs were scarce in my diet, and it was still the same. Ya wake up in the pool man!


not if your a PL and have some fat to play with. My gut and sides have a constant heat. it's actually pretty cool feeling. also my gut is dissapearing faster then a Honda accord in the ghetto.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
I'm curious where you got the ones I highlighted...


from experience and research bro...u must know that increased prolactin levels causes from tren will decrease t3 output...increased prolactin always = decrease thyroid output and visa versa.....as far as using letro it is very simple.....if you want ultimate estro/prol/prog suppress letro is king....when using gear thats aromatises to estro like test, eq, dbol etc aromasin and arimidex are better because they are easier on lipids etc, BUT with tren your ultimate goal with an AI is to prevent gyno and letro will do a better job at offsetting prol/prog sides....

experience is the best way to tell bro, i've used all these from time to time in different stacks and have found these guidelines to be spot on for using tren side free....i am not very scientific but know realworld results and get big gains myself
 
Wulfgar said:
I never knew T3 supressed prolactin production. I can see why you would want T3 with the massivly androgenic/anabolic state you are creating for the purpose of incresing metabolic capacity. for prolactin you are better off doing low dose Cabergoline or bromo or even some OTC stuff like Murcina Puriens(sp?).

i can see the validity to the rest of those statements however. maybe a bit iffy on why Femera - letrozole - over anything else though. On cycle it would seem that Arimidex - anastrozole - would be plenty powerful for an anti-E.

arimidex is plenty strong enough for estro suppression BUT letro will actually help with prol/prog sides as well where as arimidex won't....


here is a good read on tren...PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to the t3 suppression mentioned........



Finaplix
(trenbolone acetate)
The drug trenbolone acetate is, without a doubt, the most powerful injectable anabolic steroid used by Steriod.com members to gain muscle. However the full properties of the drug are not always fully understood. This profile will separate fact from fiction and help steroid.com members decide if trenbolone is right for them.

Trenbolone is similar to the highly popular steroid nandrolone, in that they are both 19-nor steroids, meaning that a testosterone molecule has been altered at the 19th position to give us a new compound. Unlike nandrolone however trenbolone is an excellent mass and hardening drug with the majority of gains being muscle fiber, with minimal water retention (1) It has an unbelievable anabolic (muscle building) score of 500. When you compare that to testosterone, which itself is a powerful mass builder, and has an anabolic score of 100 you can begin to fathom the muscle building potential of trenbolone. What makes trenbolone so anabolic? Numerous factors come into play. Trenbolone greatly increases the level of the extremely anabolic hormone IGF-1 within muscle tissue (2). And, it´s worth noting that not only does it increase the levels of IGF-1 in muscle over two fold, it also causes muscle satellite cells (cells that repair damaged muscle) to be more sensitive to IGF-1 and other growth factors(3). The amount of DNA per muscle cell may also be significantly increased (3).

Trenbolone also has a very strong binding affinity to the androgen receptor (A.R), binding much more strongly than testosterone (4). This is important, because the stronger a steroid binds to the androgen receptor the better that steroid works at activating A.R dependant mechanisms of muscle growth. There is also strong supporting evidence that compounds which bind very tightly to the androgen receptor also aid in fat loss. Think as the receptors as locks and androgens as different keys, with some keys (androgens) opening (binding) the locks (receptors) much better than others. This is not to say that AR-binding is the final word on a steroid´s effectiveness. Anadrol doesn´t have any measurable binding to the AR& and we all know how potent Anadrol is for mass-building.

Trenbolone increases nitrogen retention in muscle tissue (5). This is of note because nitrogen retention is a strong indicator of how anabolic a substance is. However, trenbolone´s incredible mass building effects do not end there. Trenbolone has the ability to bind with the receptors of the anti-anabolic (muscle destroying) glucocorticoid hormones (6). This may also has the effect of inhibiting the catabolic (muscle destroying) hormone cortisol (7).

Yet another amazing trait of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug (8). To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency& well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. Finding new compounds which can improve feed efficiency is a billion dollar industry, and has spawned many nutritional advances in the bodybuilding world over the last few decades (CLA, Whey Protein, and HMB are compounds which spring to mind as having first been introduced by the livestock industry). What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.

Trenbolone is also a highly androgenic hormone, when compared with testosterone, which has an androgenic ratio of 100; trenbolone´s androgenic ratio is an astonishing 500. Highly androgenic steroids are appreciated for the effects they have on strength as well as changing the estrogen/androgen ratio, thus reducing water and under the skin. As if the report on trenbolone was not good enough, it gets better; Trenbolone is extraordinarily good as a fat loss agent. One reason for this is its powerful effect on nutrient partitioning (9). It is a little known fact is that androgen receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(10), androgens act directly on the A.R in fat cells to affect fat burning.(11) the stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose tissue (fat)(11). Since some steroids even increase the numbers of A.R in muscle and fat (11, 12) this fat loss effect would be amplified with the concurrent use of other compounds, such as testosterone.

Trenbolone promotes red blood cell production and increases the rate of glycogen replenishment, significantly improving recovery (13). Like almost all steroids, trenbolones effects are dose dependant with higher dosages having the greatest effects on body composition and strength. Mental changes are a notorious side effect of trenbolone use(15), androgens increase chemicals in the brain that promote aggressive behavior(16), which can be beneficial for some athletes wanting to improve speed and power.

Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone. Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme, this enzyme reduces some steroid hormones into a more androgenic form, in trenbolones case however this does not matter, trenbolone boasts an androgenic ratio of 500, it can easily cause adverse androgenic side effects in any steroid.com members who are prone cases of hair loss, prostate enlargement, oily skin and acne have been reported. Unfortunately trenbolones potential negative side effects do not end there. Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone) (17). In sensitive steroid.com members this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, trenbolones active metabolite17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself (18). No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like trenbolone also increases prolactin& . bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolatin levels (20). Testicular atrophy (shrunken balls) may also occur; HCG used intermittently throughout a cycle can prevent this. (21) It is also wise for Tren users to closely monitor their cholesterol levels, as well as kidney function and liver enzymes, as Tren has the potential to negatively affect all of those functions. Trenbolone, being a powerful progestin, will also shut down natural testosterone production which even a relatively small dose and keep the testosterone level suppressed for an extended period of time, this can lower libido and cause erectile dysfunction (fina dick). It is essential that you always stack trenbolone with testosterone.

The acetate ester is a very short-chain ester attached to the trenbolone molecule. It has an active life of 2-3 days but to keep blood levels of trenbolone elevated and steady, daily injections are often recommended. The acetate ester provides a rapid and high concentration of the hormone which is beneficial to those seeking quick gains, coupled with a rapid clearing time the acetate ester can be discontinued on the onset of adverse side effects.

Now that the properties of trenbolone acetate have been explained we can better understand how to use it in order to maximize its advantages. Evidence suggests that trenbolone when stacked with estrogen promotes more weight gain that trenbolone alone(22), now I´m not telling you to go pop some birth control with your trenbolone but the addition of aromatizing orals such as dianabol and a long estered testosterone such as cypionate or enanthate would produce great gains in a bulking cycle. For a cutting cycle trenbolone is the best choice you have; trenbolones powerful effect on nutrient shuttling allows a user to restrict calories and remain in a state of positive nitrogen balance (remember what that means?). The cortisol reducing effect and binding to the glucocorticoid receptor will greatly reduce the catabolic effects of harsh dieting and excessive amounts of cardio& not to mention that trenbolone itself may burn fat (due to it´s strong AR-binding). A good choice to stack with tren in a cutting cycle is Winstrol. Winstrol has a low binding affinity to the AR and thus will act in your body in vastly different ways than the Tren (i.e. in non-receptor mediated action). In addition, Winstrol is a DHT-based drug and Tren is a 19-nor& throw in some Testosterone (prop), and you´ll have a cutting cycle which takes advantage of all 3 major families of Anabolic Steroids (Testosterone, 19-nor, and DHT), as well as vastly different AR-binding affinities and mechanisms of action.

Ironically, even though Tren is an excellent contest prep drug, it lowers your thyroid level(23), and this raises prolactin. I recommend taking T3 (25mcgs/day) along with your Tren to avoid elevating your prolactin too high via this route.

Also, this drug is a poor choice for athletes who rely on cardiovascular fitness to play a sport. Tren, anecdotally at least, reduces many athletes ability to sustain high levels of endurance. Unfortunately, this makes Tren a poor choice for many.

As of now the main source of trenbolone is from implants for cattle being converted into an injectable or transdermal compound, from powder, and of course Underground Labs. "Home brewing" powder or cattle implants seems to be the preferred method of obtaining injectable trenbolone acetate, because the user would have much more control over the potency and sterility of the drug. Trenbolone is much more expensive than other anabolic steroids ranging from 15 U.S dollars per gram of powder or 150 U.S for a single 10 ml bottle. The cost of trenbolone should not matter, it is worth every penny.

Trenbolone Acetate Profile
(17beta-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one)
(Trenbolone Base + Acetate Ester)
Formula: C20 H24 O3
Molecular Weight: 312.4078
Molecular Weight (base): 270.3706
Molecular Weight (ester):60.0524
Formula (base): C18 H22 O2
Formula (ester): C2 H4 O2
Melting Point (base): 183-186C
Melting Point (ester):16.6C
Manufacturer: Cattle implants, British Dragon, Various
Effective Dose (Men):50-150mg ED
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 2-3 days
Detection Time: 5 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 500/500
 
cboogsrun said:
this is a good handbook for a perfect world. However some people can't mess with Winstrol - stanozolol do to joints. T3 isn't a compound I would suggest to someone with out giving them all the info needed. 2.5g of protein per lb is very expensive and maybe a bit over board. It is nearly impossible to eat that many in a day if you weigh 225. Unless you do it for a living and have ample time and endless cash. If I were to eat 575g of protein I would definately drink more than 1.5 gal a day of water. For me @350-400 grams a day I would have blood in my urine. I have a 5 gal cooler of water on my truck at all times and drink 15 20oz. bottle of water a day easily. Still wasn't enough. Very good read, just not applicable to most.

well man to be straight up and not to flame or anything BUT...tren is a hardcore drug and should only be used by hardcore athletes....if you can't manage/afford to eat enough quality protein and drink enough water and do all those extra neccessities that extreme bodybuilder/athletes do, then u def shouldn't be messing with tren.......that is what other less harsh gear/and natural supps are for....tren should only be used by people who have everything else dialed in and need the extra edge
 
Decent post VF. The only thing I'm iffy on is the T3 use and the ace only use. I'm using para (trenbolone hex) right now. Ridiculous stuff. I always have a vein down my bicep anyways (on or off anabolic androgenic steroids), but since the para has kicked in the vein down my bicep is literally almost as thick as my pinky finger. Looks unreal.

Bringing in 2.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight is tough for me cuz trenbolone supresses my appetite a bit.

However the rest of it I definately agree with. The water intake is crucial with all aas but most crucial with tren IMO.
 
boston789 said:
Decent post VF. The only thing I'm iffy on is the T3 use and the ace only use. I'm using para (trenbolone hex) right now. Ridiculous stuff. I always have a vein down my bicep anyways (on or off anabolic androgenic steroids), but since the para has kicked in the vein down my bicep is literally almost as thick as my pinky finger. Looks unreal.

Bringing in 2.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight is tough for me cuz trenbolone supresses my appetite a bit.

However the rest of it I definately agree with. The water intake is crucial with all anabolic androgenic steroids but most crucial with trenbolone IMO.


By know means do I think this is the ONLY correct way to use tren....but it would allow you to run tren without most of the horror stories you hear. Also if u try using t3 with tren you'd be suprised at the difference....i ran tren/mast/prop shot eod with NO t3 my first time around and got night sweat like a mad, and had NO appetite at all....this time shooting it ed along with 50mcg t3 ed and i have NO sweat all, nothing.....and my appetite is ridiculous which cn be bad when cutting BUT it makes me believe that your thyroid levels do decrease with tren usage hence the reason for the appetite loss....
 
So VF, where you taking anti-prolactin drugs as well? I mean, are you advocating the addition of T-3 to supress sides as an alternative to dostinex/cabergoline, or in addition to?
 
todoveritas said:
So VF, where you taking anti-prolactin drugs as well? I mean, are you advocating the addition of T-3 to supress sides as an alternative to dostinex/cabergoline, or in addition to?


i was using dost at .125mg eod along with a t3/clen stack.....i like using both dostinex and t3 BUT i prefer to use a low dose t3 while cutting since it keep the metab burning while carbs are low.
 
Vascular Freak said:
well man to be straight up and not to flame or anything BUT...trenbolone is a hardcore drug and should only be used by hardcore athletes....if you can't manage/afford to eat enough quality protein and drink enough water and do all those extra neccessities that extreme bodybuilder/athletes do, then u def shouldn't be messing with trenbolone.......that is what other less harsh gear/and natural supps are for....trenbolone should only be used by people who have everything else dialed in and need the extra edge


Whos the judge on what I should or shouldn't take? I don't know of anyone that gets to decide what I put in my body. Its easy for people to sit on a pedistool and bark all these do's and don'ts. I'm no different, but telling someone they have to meet some prerequisit to be able to take a certain compound. Still not sure why tren is so advanced? I would think Dbol is more toxic given it is an oral. Tren is the perfect steroid for someone who doesn't have diet dialed in, it allows you to cheat a little and still lean down a touch. I don't need any edge, I don't compete, but I do enjoy the treny tren tren.
 
cboogsrun said:
Whos the judge on what I should or shouldn't take? I don't know of anyone that gets to decide what I put in my body. Its easy for people to sit on a pedistool and bark all these do's and don'ts. I'm no different, but telling someone they have to meet some prerequisit to be able to take a certain compound. Still not sure why trenbolone is so advanced? I would think Dianabol - methandrostenolone - is more toxic given it is an oral. Tren is the perfect steroid for someone who doesn't have diet dialed in, it allows you to cheat a little and still lean down a touch. I don't need any edge, I don't compete, but I do enjoy the treny trenbolone trenbolone.


obviously your the only one to judge what you take bro...i am not flaming or anything...i was just listing the ideal situation and procedure for using tren successfully...to me using tren and not dieting correctly would be like someone wanting to lose weight so they go to the gym and do an hour of cardio and then stop at mc donalds on the way home and eat 1500 calories...its better to do the cardio than not BUT the results would be MUCH better without the mc d's....tren works better with high protein/high water intake/heavy hardcore training etc......but you can also you tren as a fail safe to correct a underpar diet and it will help as well
 
cboogsrun said:
Whos the judge on what I should or shouldn't take? I don't know of anyone that gets to decide what I put in my body. Its easy for people to sit on a pedistool and bark all these do's and don'ts. I'm no different, but telling someone they have to meet some prerequisit to be able to take a certain compound. Still not sure why trenbolone is so advanced? I would think Dianabol - methandrostenolone - is more toxic given it is an oral. Tren is the perfect steroid for someone who doesn't have diet dialed in, it allows you to cheat a little and still lean down a touch. I don't need any edge, I don't compete, but I do enjoy the treny trenbolone trenbolone.
easy man it sounds like your on it now. lol. i didn't take it as anybody trying to tell you what to do. and dang sure not a bad thing to work so hard that you are not able to stop and eat like some can. just my opinion, but i think he was just saying that the same results could be achieved with a safer A-S in some peoples situation.


also, though it may not be exact according to some peoples ideas or opinions, it is much appreciated by me. i also think it was good of you to point out that tren is not for everyone.
 
mobro said:
easy man it sounds like your on it now. lol. i didn't take it as anybody trying to tell you what to do. and dang sure not a bad thing to work so hard that you are not able to stop and eat like some can. just my opinion, but i think he was just saying that the same results could be achieved with a safer A-S in some peoples situation.


also, though it may not be exact according to some peoples ideas or opinions, it is much appreciated by me. i also think it was good of you to point out that trenbolone is not for everyone.


I wasn't being pissy bro. lol! Just stating sometimes people put these quotas around things that arent necessarily needed. I understood I was just making a point, and its difficult when typing not to sound a certain way or to sound a certain way. I've had blood work done before after tren cycles before and have yet to see something potential harmful. Now my natty test levels are shit for about 2 months, but I think for me it is worth it. I'm just trying to point out the obvious. Speaking from experience, it is easy to slack off when you know you can juice and handle the issue through those means rather than dieting. I'm sure I'm not the only one who in the past has been that way. But it is a realization in the game. I just try not to judge and put stipulations on what you must or mustn't do.
 
Vascular Freak said:
obviously your the only one to judge what you take bro...i am not flaming or anything...i was just listing the ideal situation and procedure for using trenbolone successfully...to me using trenbolone and not dieting correctly would be like someone wanting to lose weight so they go to the gym and do an hour of cardio and then stop at mc donalds on the way home and eat 1500 calories...its better to do the cardio than not BUT the results would be MUCH better without the mc d's....trenbolone works better with high protein/high water intake/heavy hardcore training etc......but you can also you trenbolone as a fail safe to correct a underpar diet and it will help as well


I hear ya bro. by the way a bigmac has 500 calories or so lol! All steroids work better with high protein and water intake. I agree with what you said, but those aren't the circumstances for everyone. I used to have to save up for piddly little cycles.
 
cboogsrun said:
I wasn't being pissy bro. lol! Just stating sometimes people put these quotas around things that arent necessarily needed. I understood I was just making a point, and its difficult when typing not to sound a certain way or to sound a certain way. I've had blood work done before after trenbolone cycles before and have yet to see something potential harmful. Now my natty test levels are shit for about 2 months, but I think for me it is worth it. I'm just trying to point out the obvious. Speaking from experience, it is easy to slack off when you know you can juice and handle the issue through those means rather than dieting. I'm sure I'm not the only one who in the past has been that way. But it is a realization in the game. I just try not to judge and put stipulations on what you must or mustn't do.

Agreed. I don't find it more "noble" or admirable that someone does steroids for some gay trophy, as opposed to getting some ass, or just looking good. People who say their goals are more important than others' goals or that they have some right to do this drug or that one and you don't are just absurd.
 
Supressed thyroid can lead to high prolactin levels, but I am not too sure that high prolactin levels are indicative of supressed thryoid. Low dopamine levels can raise prolactin as well. Now we are surmising that tren lowers thyroid function causing a spike in prolactin which just isn't true. The high prolactin is a result of the prog sides no? So take dostinex to counter potentially high prolactin levels is a good course of action. Then adding in T3 to help with increased protein synthesis isn't a bad idea also.
 
st8grad said:
Supressed thyroid can lead to high prolactin levels, but I am not too sure that high prolactin levels are indicative of supressed thryoid. Low dopamine levels can raise prolactin as well. Now we are surmising that trenbolone lowers thyroid function causing a spike in prolactin which just isn't true. The high prolactin is a result of the prog sides no? So take dostinex to counter potentially high prolactin levels is a good course of action. Then adding in T3 to help with increased protein synthesis isn't a bad idea also.


good point bro....maybe someone can answer that...i am not really sure i just know from two identical cycles where the only difference was the addition of t3 and ed sticks rather than eod the results were MUCH better, no sweats like the first time, and appetite and fat loss were strong~!
 
cboogsrun said:
I hear ya bro. by the way a bigmac has 500 calories or so lol! All steroids work better with high protein and water intake. I agree with what you said, but those aren't the circumstances for everyone. I used to have to save up for piddly little cycles.


haha i know and i actually had a few big macs the other day...and was DEFINETLY tking advantage of the fact that tren allows a sloppier diet!! lol so bro i am with ya and know right what you mean....i was just simply saying that tren isn't that much more beneficial than say test/var or test/eq etc if doesn't push diet/training to the MAX....but thats just my opinion...happy trenning!! :p
 
Anthony Roberts said:
Agreed. I don't find it more "noble" or admirable that someone does steroids for some gay trophy, as opposed to getting some ass, or just looking good. People who say their goals are more important than others' goals or that they have some right to do this drug or that one and you don't are just absurd.


i agree, i do it for all those reasons....plus the fact that i just like using gear....BUT my point was that one using tren in a cycle should be hitting every growth aspect with max intensity....its like spending 150K on a 911 turbo and using it to go the grocery store which is 3 miles down a dirt road....buy a 911 turbo----> fucking DRIVE IT----->>> shoot tren------> fucking EAT SOLID and MOVE WEIGHT!! kapeesh?? :)
 
Vascular Freak said:
BUT my point was that one using trenbolone in a cycle should be hitting every growth aspect with max intensity....its like spending 150K on a 911 turbo and using it to go the grocery store which is 3 miles down a dirt road....buy a 911 turbo----> fucking DRIVE IT----->>> shoot trenbolone------> fucking EAT SOLID and MOVE WEIGHT!! kapeesh?? :)

agreed haha
 
Anthony Roberts said:
Agreed. I don't find it more "noble" or admirable that someone does steroids for some gay trophy, as opposed to getting some ass, or just looking good. People who say their goals are more important than others' goals or that they have some right to do this drug or that one and you don't are just absurd.
agreed
 
I do it for ALLLLLLL those reason...I do it for my hobby which is bodybuilding...I do it to look good and feel good...AND I do it because chicks like guys who are trained and juiced and can rock the cock in the sack!! It all good baby no hard feelings ;o) muah xoxo
 
I’m settled into my new place, and I’ll likely be here for the next month or so (maybe longer). This was a move for personal reasons, not related to work or anything else…just my own personal life. And again, it was a decision…I didn’t have to move.

I saw literally 6 different threads on various forums speculating about me, whether I was banned from EF, removed from some other site, talking with LE, etc, etc…

Jesus…get a life; I have one, and I’m living it, and that included moving.

No Comments // Posted on October 18, 2007 // Anthony Roberts Hardcore

AR posted that on his website today LOL
 
Vascular Freak said:
Produced by Vascular Freak for EF bro to reap max gains:

trenbolone Handbook:

Always run atleast 500mg test with trenbolone

Always used trenbolone ace and shoot ed

Always use between 40-80mg ed and no more or less

Always run ATLEAST 25mg winstrol ed with trenbolone to avoid prog buildup

Always run Dostinex - cabergoline - low dose at minimum while using trenbolone...about 1mg divided per week

Always use low dose T3 while on trenbolone (25mcg ed) since trenbolone supressed t3 levels which leads to prolactin buildup...t3 supresses prolactin

Always use cranberry extract to save kidneys

Always keep protein intake at 2.5g per lb bodyweight while on trenbolone or higher

Always train heavy while using trenbolone for maximum gains

Always choose Femera - letrozole - over aromasin and arimidex when using trenbolone since it will offset prog/prol sides much better...but only when using trenbolone

Always avoid carbs and heavy cals before bed to prevent night sweats..prot only

Always drink atleast 1.5 gallons water everyday...more is better
Online!


Could Furazabol be substituted for the Winny ?
 
yeah thanks for the bump man, ive never seen it before. im startin the tren sometime soon but im just waiting to pin 2 more sites with my prop. i cannot be sore when i start the tren cause i wanna get the most out of it
 
thanks for the good read brother. especially since i am looking to run tr3n for the first time this month!
 
I thought i read here someting about shooting tren using a slin pin?
anyone know anything about this? can it be done? would make things a bit easier with ed injections. my shoulders have so much scar tissue from years of injections being able to shoot with a slin pin would be a nice break!

also is the concensus ED shots are better than EOD??
 
jonny jacked said:
I thought i read here someting about shooting trenbolone using a insulin pin?
anyone know anything about this? can it be done? would make things a bit easier with ed injections. my shoulders have so much scar tissue from years of injections being able to shoot with a insulin pin would be a nice break!

also is the concensus ED shots are better than EOD??


yeah, backfill the insulin pin... if fairly lean, make a V with your two fingers and push down real hard on injection site (to get as close to muscle as you can), inject in between fingers.

I have done this with TEST and works fine. takes a bit of patience pushing the TEST through the needle.
 
holy ghost said:
havent seen VF in a while, I bump his thread every so often, its a goldie!

thanks for the bump and the recognition bro! :) Funny how big this thread grew, I was sitting down one day before the gym and after much research and experience good and bad with tren I compiled the most important and effective ways to run tren.

I guess now after a long 6 month run at 80-100mg ed of tren ace I would add that over 80mg breathing problems become very pronounced but subside after about 5 days of stoppping tren. Also....make sure to ALWAYS run test past your tren shots and use something like caber/dost, or last resort winstrol or letro to manage prog/prolactin after stopping the tren...even while running 1 g of test I dropped the tren and had libido, emotional issues.
 
Vascular Freak said:
Always used trenbolone ace and shoot ed

I disagree.

I have ran trenbolone acetate as well as enanthate and, believe it or not, my results were much, much better with enanthate. I was much more vascular and a bit stronger. Not only that but the side effects were much less pronounced. My night sweats were cut in half, as well as my insomnia and mood swings.

I've ran acetate atleast 4 times and enanthate only once. That will change, if i can find it damnit!

As far as ED and EOD (with acetate), I know they say ED keeps your blood levels steadier, but I know shooting EOD I experienced less sides than my closest bro, who was shooting ED at the same time, from the same lab.

On a side note, with the enanthate, I was instructed to shoot twice a week but for about 70% of my cycle only shot once a week. Still got better results than with acetate. :)

Everyone responds differently to everything. This is a really great read though and I learned a bit :). Much thanks Vascular F'er, excellent info my nig!

Chris
 
khemix said:
I disagree.

I have ran trenbolone acetate as well as enanthate and, believe it or not, my results were much, much better with enanthate. I was much more vascular and a bit stronger. Not only that but the side effects were much less pronounced. My night sweats were cut in half, as well as my insomnia and mood swings.

I've ran acetate atleast 4 times and enanthate only once. That will change, if i can find it damnit!

As far as ED and EOD (with acetate), I know they say ED keeps your blood levels steadier, but I know shooting EOD I experienced less sides than my closest bro, who was shooting ED at the same time, from the same lab.

On a side note, with the enanthate, I was instructed to shoot twice a week but for about 70% of my cycle only shot once a week. Still got better results than with acetate. :)

Everyone responds differently to everything. This is a really great read though and I learned a bit :). Much thanks Vascular F'er, excellent info my nig!

Chris

Nice to see you around bro!! You must be one that responds well to tren well and doesn't experience many sides. Most people can't touch tren E. You'll def notice more strength, vascularity etc since with the long ester you are getting some accumulation of the tren in your blood where as with tren ace you don't.

Either way, remember everyone is different so the best to way to find out is to be safe but experiement....see what works for you!
 
If you run 40mg per day, there's no way to run minimum 500mg per week. As a matter of math, your maximum ("at most") 80mg per day would be necessary as a minimum ("at least") every day. 7x80=560mg/week (7 days = week). 70mg/week = 490mg/week (or less than your 500mg minimum). So how can you say take "at least" 500mg/week but that you should take 40-80mg per day "no more no less"?

Aren't you the guy who posted something a long time ago claiming to be the pro bb'er in the picture and were called out on it? Bruce 410 and MMM backed you up and then, after the picture was proven not you, they backed away from their previous support of you. Am I wrong?
 
bbkingpin said:
If you run 40mg per day, there's no way to run minimum 500mg per week. As a matter of math, your maximum ("at most") 80mg per day would be necessary as a minimum ("at least") every day. 7x80=560mg/week (7 days = week). 70mg/week = 490mg/week (or less than your 500mg minimum). So how can you say take "at least" 500mg/week but that you should take 40-80mg per day "no more no less"?

Aren't you the guy who posted something a long time ago claiming to be the pro bb'er in the picture and were called out on it? Bruce 410 and MMM backed you up and then, after the picture was proven not you, they backed away from their previous support of you. Am I wrong?

Damn bro why so harsh? If you took a second to read the post you'd see that I said run atleast "500mg of TEST" weekly, and anywhere between 40-80mg trenbolone ace ed.

And no I have never posted pics like that on here...if you want to see pics of me look on the AFboard...I am far from a pro BB'er, but definetly can do some damage on stage ;) now go hit the squat rack your legs look thin :mix:
 
Vascular Freak said:
Produced by Vascular Freak for EF bro to reap max gains:

trenbolone Handbook:

Always run atleast 500mg test with trenbolone

Always used trenbolone ace and shoot ed

Always use between 40-80mg ed and no more or less

Always run ATLEAST 25mg winstrol ed with trenbolone to avoid prog buildup

Always run Dostinex - cabergoline - low dose at minimum while using trenbolone...about 1mg divided per week

Always use low dose T3 while on trenbolone (25mcg ed) since trenbolone supressed t3 levels which leads to prolactin buildup...t3 supresses prolactin

Always use cranberry extract to save kidneys

Always keep protein intake at 2.5g per lb bodyweight while on trenbolone or higher

Always train heavy while using trenbolone for maximum gains

Always choose Femera - letrozole - over aromasin and arimidex when using trenbolone since it will offset prog/prol sides much better...but only when using trenbolone

Always avoid carbs and heavy cals before bed to prevent night sweats..prot only

Always drink atleast 1.5 gallons water everyday...more is better
Online!


Interesting read I'll say.
 
bbkingpin said:
Aren't you the guy who posted something a long time ago claiming to be the pro bb'er in the picture and were called out on it? Bruce 410 and MMM backed you up and then, after the picture was proven not you, they backed away from their previous support of you. Am I wrong?

Are you talking about me?
 
Vascular Freak said:
Nice to see you around bro!! You must be one that responds well to trenbolone well and doesn't experience many sides. Most people can't touch trenbolone E. You'll def notice more strength, vascularity etc since with the long ester you are getting some accumulation of the trenbolone in your blood where as with trenbolone ace you don't.

Either way, remember everyone is different so the best to way to find out is to be safe but experiement....see what works for you!

Yep, good to see you again old friend!

To be honest, I respond extremely well to AAS in general. Especially with tren. For the last few years the ONLY cycles I've ran are test and tren cycle, with the occational tbol to kickstart. The test is the base and the mass builder, the tren is what keeps me so lean and SO strong, and the tbol is the the initial kicker :). What else could you want?

I've also stayed at virtually the same doses for the past 2 years as well. Its all about diet mafuckas.

The worst side from tren I get is the night sweats. Those can be a bitch. I can control the aggression, but thats another PITA sometimes.

As far as Tren E - I f'ing love the stuff. Its gotta be the blood of the gods :evil:. I'm glad you explained the Tren E to me like that as it makes all the sense in the world to me know as to why the effects were so much better. Thanks :).

I figure I'll make a write-up about my experiences with tren in addition to what Ive learned about it. To alot of people its still a bit of a mystery.

You're definantly right when it comes to how everyone reacts differently. I'm one of those guys that can get by and survive without PCT - very few can. You have to learn how your body reacts and responds to what you take as well as what you eat. Its all a learning process guys. Experience is the best teacher, if you ask me.

Chris
 
jmead said:
been on ace almost 3 weeks now.. veins are poping up in my lower abs and makin their way upwards, i love this shit..

im taking t3 with it but not because i heard it reduces your t3 levels.. just cause i wanted to :D

im actually running t4/t3 mix..

100mg Winstrol - stanozolol ED

fun stuff besides all this joint pain.. i guess being 6'5'' kinda effects your knees a bit when your squating 450+

Whats your cycle look like?
 
Way, way, way over my head, and I am glad it sounds like. Unless you are a professor at LW then U couldn't understand what anyone was saying. So many abbreviations. That was like reading half words.
 
walliwalibus said:
Way, way, way over my head, and I am glad it sounds like. Unless you are a professor at LW then U couldn't understand what anyone was saying. So many abbreviations. That was like reading half words.

If you can't understand that you shouldn't be cycling bro..not to be rude in anyway.
 
who says i'm cycling....... I am in beginning phase of the beginning...... I have a long way before i am near that. But you are right, if you don't get it, shouldn't do it. Someday I will be ready, after correcting some diet and weight issues...... now back to what the thread was about.....

Walli
 
Great Read!!

VF can you post the cycle you wrote about?

I believe you were taking
test
tren
win
prov
T3
dost
???

Just curious about the dosages you were taking.

Thanks.... Really good read
 
good results?
 
just finished 3 week of tren e 300mgs with test 500mgs and eq 400mgs , no sides so far apart from gold looking urine lol even with about 1.5-2gallons of water, and very aggressive in gym
 
goku_kakarot77 said:
just finished 3 week of tren e 300mgs with test 500mgs and eq 400mgs , no sides so far apart from gold looking urine lol even with about 1.5-2gallons of water, and very aggressive in gym

Are you running any AI's?

-Eri c
 
goku_kakarot77 said:
just finished 3 week of tren e 300mgs with test 500mgs and eq 400mgs , no sides so far apart from gold looking urine lol even with about 1.5-2gallons of water, and very aggressive in gym
and i thought the yellow piss from from relocore and trim spa
 
I am a 28yr old female I want to start a cycle of tren. I have done cycles of winny. I was wondering if I should just do the tren (1/2 of a 1/2 eot =100mg week) or add deca or something else? I am well aware of the sides & I've decided this is what I want to do, I'd just like more information so I can get the best results (growth & weight loss) before starting it.
 
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