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Clenbuterol FAQ: Everything you need to know about Clen

BigAndy69

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I wrote this because of all the confusion that surrounds this drug. Enjoy.

What is Clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35 hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling

Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump and injectable form. Doses are very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere in the range of 5-8 tablets per day for men and 1-4 tablets a day for women is most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after 6-8 weeks when body temperature drops back to normal. It's anabolic/anti-catabolic properties fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine short half life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a time.

Side effects

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN

The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming bananas and oranges or supplementing with GNC potassium tablets at 200-400mg a day taken before bed on an empty stomach.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taken at the first signs of a headache. You may need to take double the recommended dose.

Common Uses

Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness, vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be used by non AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, Carbs must be included in the diet. Keto diet do not work well in this case.

Precautions: Is Clen for you?

The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although some people find ECA stacks harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation before a workout for an extra kick, although its diuretic effects may shift electrolyte balance. Drink more water if you use Caffeine.

What else do I need to know?

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day.

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to normal gradually)
Day14: 60mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100mcg
Day14: 80mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water: 1.5-2 gallons a day.

All brands are not equal when it comes to Clen, different brands will yield different results.

That about covers everything.

BigAndy69
 
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thanks big andy, was just about ready to ask a clen ?, but now its answer. thanks bro and awesome post, im going to give u some karma for that.
 
I totally agree with your statement that most bad side effects occur to those who start too high on the dosage. The first time I did it I started with 80 mcg the first day by the fifth day I was having heart palpitatons and severe cramping.

This time around I am starting with 40 a day for 3 days then moving up to 60 for 3 and then to 80 for the remainder of the two weeks. I think this should alleviate most of the bad side effects.
 
great reading man, i have been searching for good info on clen for a long time, finally its all in one place. any amendments when talkin about Superclen? just stay on longer?
 
SuperClen

Something I don't address in the post is SuperClen.

I think this is one of the dumbest and most dangerous drugs I've ever heard of. 500mcg in one tab??? What the hell is this guy thinking? Even starting at a 1/4 tab is a large amount(125mcg). Read The_Eviscerator post. He had problems starting with 80mcg. I had problems on my first cycle the third day at 60mcg.

It also has Keto which "cleans" receptors and enhances Clen's effects. That means you would actually need less clen!

I wouldn't be surprised if someone ended up in the hospital with a heart attack on this stuff. Crazy shit...

If you insist on taking it, and don't quote me on this, there might be a way to dissolve the tabs in a solution, (maybe water, I don't know). You could start with regular clen and then build up to 120mcg and then substitute that with 1/4 tabs of SuperClen for the remainder of the cycle which you could extend for a month.

Again, I have no experience with SuperClen because I value my health.
 
kaivil said:


I train late at night because of my job. What's the best time to take clen?.
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Clen stays in your system for such a long time that you will always feel energetic, even when you wake up in the morning.

Take Clen before 4 pm. If you want get an extra kick use Caffeine an hour before your workout. Make sure you drink .5 gallon more of water for every 200mg of caffeine.

I doubt you will need the extra boost
 
Great Post

very good post, I would like to see more post like this one.
this was very helpful to me, because I am considering clen.
 
Other than the Bulgarian (stated above), what are some other good brands of clen? Any to stay away from? thanks

Good post bro! There hasn't been much posted about clen, so this clears things up. Karma to you.
 
I've only used Bulgarian Clen(Spiropent).

Spiropent is one of the best clen and Novegam rates a close second.

From my friend's experience(a guy who's pretty ,uch used everything), Ventipulmin is excellent. It's a vet product, a pump.

This company in my opinion makes the best clen: http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.com/corporate/contact/contact.htm

Stay away from most Mexican Clen. Oxyflux is complete crap. Very underdosed and doesn't give good results even at double the dose.

SuperClen gets mixed reviews. Usually, people are not very impressed.
 
Nice post!

Do you know if it has any possibly dangerous interactions with any prescription medications?

Also, do you think it REALLY increases your metabolic rate up to 10%..I wouldn't have guessed that.

Nice post!
 
Yes, the most severe interactions would occur with Sympathomimetics/Tricyclic Compounds

This applies to Albuterol which is compound similar to Clen:

snce albuterol may lower serum potassium concentration, care should be taken in patients also receiving other drugs that can lower serum potassium concentration, as the effects may be additive.The electrocardiographic changes and/or hypokalemia that may result from the administration of nonpotassium-sparing diuretics (such as loop or thiazide diuretics) may be aggravated by concomitant beta-agonists, especially when the recommended dosage of the beta-agonist is exceeded. Although the clinical importance of these effects is not known, caution is advised when administering beta-agonists with nonpotassium-sparing diuretics.

The manufacturers state that the effects of albuterol or levalbuterol on the vascular system may be potentiated in patients receiving monoamine oxidase inhibitors or tricyclic antidepressants; therefore, albuterol or levabuterol should be administered with extreme caution to patients receiving these drugs or within 2 weeks of discontinuation of such agents.

The action of albuterol or levalbuterol is antagonized by beta-adrenergic blocking agents (e.g., propranolol). beta-Adrenergic blocking agents not only block the pulmonary effects of beta-agonists, but may produce severe bronchospasm in asthmatic patients; therefore, asthmatic patients should not normally be treated with beta-adrenergic blocking agents. However, under certain circumstances (e.g., prophylaxis after myocardial infarction), there may be no acceptable alternatives to the use of beta-adrenergic blocking agents in patients with asthma; cardioselective beta-adrenergic blocking agents should be used with caution in these patients.

There is some evidence from animal studies that concomitant administration of a beta-adrenergic agonist (e.g., isoproterenol) and a methylxanthine (aminophylline) may produce increased cardiotoxic effects (e.g., cardiac arrhythmias, sudden death, myocardial necrosis). Although such an interaction has not been established in humans, a few reports have suggested that such a combination may have the potential for producing cardiac arrhythmias. Further accumulation of clinical data is needed to determine whether this potential interaction exists in humans.


So most antidepressant medication/ Harsh Diuretics/ other Beta-Agonists or stimulants.
 
Re: Nice post!

juicemaster said:

Also, do you think it REALLY increases your metabolic rate up to 10%..I wouldn't have guessed that.
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I didn't guess or simply make that number up. That fact is from Dan Duchaine. This is common knowledge. The same way we know that 200mg of DNP can raise it by 30%.
 
man oh man another one

now all we have to do when some one askes about clen we post this thread



woohooo!

watch out iron game you need to do something else but we still love your clomid post
 
You're right. Boehringer Ingelheim is a German company. I got them mixed up and didn't feel like changing it. I didn't think anyone would notice but you're Daman. :D
 
BigAndy69
No one is competing with Iron Game.. I don't know what you're talking about


relax it was just a reference to how helpful your post was and a reference to irongames great post im not trying to start anything between you and i find it unlikely that irongame would take it that way if you like ill edit the post
 
just by myself ive posted a link to irongames clomid faq's 3 times and im sure it has been referenced more than that and im sure ill post a link to this thread as well. um nothing but good things to say about this post if i came off short on last post it was unintentional
 
great post! thats a keeper.

BTW anyone using ** superclen <<<be careful>>> !! Those things are really strong. I took 1 (one) and had the shakes so bad i couldn't write for 2 days. I was advised after that 1/4 tab is recommended to start then work up to a tab. I thought I had parkinsons!!
 
(Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to normal gradually)...
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If you do not taper, chances are you experience a 'crash' and you will feel sluggish for anything from 2 days to 5 days. Because of this reason it is strongly recommended that you taper down. Even if you do taper there is a chance you will experience a crash so ECA can be used to help reduce this.

The whole idea of using ECA for the whole 2 weeks between cycles seems quite silly since ephedrine also uses beta - 2 receptors so by using eca for the two weeks between cycles you are not allowing for full upgrade of beta - 2 receptors and you are thus rendering the 2 weeks off clen pointless.

Do not take Clen Past 4pm
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As you said yourself, clen has a half life of about 35 hours, so why should it matter if you take clen after 4 pm?
 
Good post.......I am thinking of using clen after x-mas to loose some body fat.........your post answered all my questions about the drug..........Thanks...............DR
 
If you do not taper, chances are you experience a 'crash' and you will feel sluggish for anything from 2 days to 5 days. Because of this reason it is strongly recommended that you taper down. Even if you do taper there is a chance you will experience a crash so ECA can be used to help reduce this.

Tapering may help some people but it is not completely necessary. You will feel a little more tired than usually whether you taper off or you don't. I noticed no difference between the two methods.

The whole idea of using ECA for the whole 2 weeks between cycles seems quite silly since ephedrine also uses beta - 2 receptors so by using eca for the two weeks between cycles you are not allowing for full upgrade of beta - 2 receptors and you are thus rendering the 2 weeks off clen pointless.

It doesn't effect the same receptor sites as ephedrine...and even if it did, it would not make a difference. I'm not going to take the time to explain this and post sources for this claim. It is common knowledge.

As you said yourself, clen has a half life of about 35 hours, so why should it matter if you take clen after 4 pm?

This statement shows me that you have never used Clen and you are just an arm chair expert(or just a kid) who "reads" about things and then thinks he has it all covered. Clenbuterol blood concentrations(and this is true for most orally ingested compounds) will peak immediately when it gets into your blood stream.(somewhere around 30mins on an empty stomach).
 
It's debateable wether or not clen offers any anabolic effects in human users, since the studies that do show an anabolic effect involved primarily rats, but there are no human studies showing this effect.
 
B182 said:
It's debateable wether or not clen offers any anabolic effects in human users, since the studies that do show an anabolic effect involved primarily rats, but there are no human studies showing this effect.
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Then how would you explain the 3 lbs of Lbm I gained on my first cycle, or the 0.25 inches I added on my arms on the second one while losing 5lbs of bodyfat?

Most studies of drugs are done on rats anyway, but you do have a valid point. Some things may only apply to a certain animal, but Clen works in human beings, and it works well.
 
TAURINE

Also too avoid muscle cramping take 6-12 grams of taurine powder since clen DEPLETES taurines levels...... I used to get cramps all the time, now not one when i am on clen. its a must get when using clen
 
addy and clen

anyone heard what would happen to someone on 20mg's of adderall and clen? adderall is like ritalin. I ake it for tests and studying.
 
Hello all, I recently started an ** Anavar/Creatine cycle 40 mg var a day and 10 gram creatine a day.Its been about 10 days now,a bit harder and more vascular but i expect more because it will be ran for 6-7 weeks.Do you think I can order some SuperClen and add it in to the cycle when it comes to get me freaking ripped and strong?And uh...I think I need to split the tab in like 10ths.Is that possible?
 
I miss the pics...trying to ID my clen...looks like russian d's but a bit larger and no tapered top edge...Spiro I think?

thanks

P:redhot:wer
 
Hey great post! Two questions:

1) What brands do you recommend
2) Should you not use Clen if you have high blood pressure?

I've taken Xenadrine in the past and been able to tolerate the effects of that.
 
Sapphire said:
Hey great post! Two questions:

1) What brands do you recommend
2) Should you not use Clen if you have high blood pressure?

I've taken Xenadrine in the past and been able to tolerate the effects of that.
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No you shouldn't use clen or any other stimulant if you have high blood pressure.
 
2 questions please.

1) generally how is the quality of sleep while on clen?

2) how is cardio while on clen

thankyou
 
OMEGA said:
2 questions please.

1) generally how is the quality of sleep while on clen?

2) how is cardio while on clen

thankyou
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Sleep is different the first days of your first cycle, after those initial 2-3 days sleep is fine. You will wake up to take a very long piss in the middle of the night. Bladder feels like it's going to explode. You will be sleeping less, but you feel more energized. You feel great when you wake up because it's in your system for such a long time.

Cardio is great on clen. It can really push you for long periods of time. HIIT style cardio would be a mistake as well as supersetting on clen(You'd know why if you've tried it) . Stay at a consistent pace.
 
Cubanito17 said:
Hello all, I recently started an ** Anavar/Creatine cycle 40 mg var a day and 10 gram creatine a day.Its been about 10 days now,a bit harder and more vascular but i expect more because it will be ran for 6-7 weeks.Do you think I can order some SuperClen and add it in to the cycle when it comes to get me freaking ripped and strong?And uh...I think I need to split the tab in like 10ths.Is that possible?
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Superclen + Creatine? Sounds like a bad idea to me.
 
BigAndy69 said:


Sleep is different the first days of your first cycle, after those initial 2-3 days sleep is fine. You will wake up to take a very long piss in the middle of the night. Bladder feels like it's going to explode. You will be sleeping less, but you feel more energized. You feel great when you wake up because it's in your system for such a long time.

Cardio is great on clen. It can really push you for long periods of time. HIIT style cardio would be a mistake as well as supersetting on clen(You'd know why if you've tried it) . Stay at a consistent pace.
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thanks Big A...Karma your way.

tues day is the day, so thanks for the help.
 
after about 5 days on xenadrene i have a hard time going to sleep and i get that weird chest pressure kind of like that stressed feeling when your short of breath ...not when your having a heart attack.... and my pulse is up.as it would be ,its a stim. gets kind of uncomfortable so i stop.that is also why my as is always in low doses.would clen not be a good idea in some small-moderate doses???:( :confused:
 
Big Andy thanks again

one last question.

I know you said there may be a crash associated with the discontinuance of clenbuterol.

is there any percautions one should take when getting ready to come off, or is cold turkey good enough?

good enough,

or-------- no you have to taper down are the answers I need......

thanks OMEGA
 
OMEGA said:
Big Andy thanks again

one last question.

I know you said there may be a crash associated with the discontinuance of clenbuterol.

is there any percautions one should take when getting ready to come off, or is cold turkey good enough?

good enough,

or-------- no you have to taper down are the answers I need......

thanks OMEGA
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No crashes on my part when coming off of clen. Coming off of the ECA stack was way harder, think I'm addicted to the all the caffeine being pumped into me.
 
I've got to be honest, I last used clen about 22 months ago and the headaches were debiltating. Personally, I'll never use it again, but that's just my opinion.
 
Good Post!

What about 2 days on, 2 days off to handle receptor down regulation because of the accumulation of this compound over time (because of it`s extremely long half life)?

/Komo
 
OMEGA said:
Big Andy thanks again

one last question.

I know you said there may be a crash associated with the discontinuance of clenbuterol.

is there any percautions one should take when getting ready to come off, or is cold turkey good enough?

good enough,

or-------- no you have to taper down are the answers I need......

thanks OMEGA
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Whether tapering helps or not is debatable. I've done both ways, and did notice a slight difference, I was less tired when a tapered down the dose.

IMO, the crash is not that bad, really minor. You will feel really tired for a couple of days. 1-3 g of L-tyrosine with extra Vitamin C really does help.

The crash on Clen was nothing like the crash I felt after 6 weeks of adipokinetiks. You should be fine. Personnally, I wouldn't taper, but If you feel you have to, lower the dose the last two days.

Remember that your body adjusts to Clen very quickly, lowering the dose at the end of a cycle means you will be using an ineffective dose.
 
the UNDERTAKER said:
after about 5 days on xenadrene i have a hard time going to sleep and i get that weird chest pressure kind of like that stressed feeling when your short of breath ...not when your having a heart attack.... and my pulse is up.as it would be ,its a stim. gets kind of uncomfortable so i stop.that is also why my as is always in low doses.would clen not be a good idea in some small-moderate doses???:( :confused:
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I beleive that Xenadrine is a very dangerous supplement and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. If you can handle Xenadrine, you can definetely handle Clen.
 
ratboy said:
what about clen and viagra? I would assume that it would be a bad idea to take viagra while on clen...
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Hum, clen increases your blood pressure and Viagra lowers it... Why don't you try it and if your heart survives you can tell us about it...
 
Drug Test

Will Clen show up on a drug test? I will be taking a drug test for a job soon so I have refrained from taking. Advise!
 
Does clen affect your sex life?When I was taking xenadrine I had a very hard time getting and maintainig an erection.I would never want to go through that again.
 
BigAndy69 said:


Hum, clen increases your blood pressure and Viagra lowers it... Why don't you try it and if your heart survives you can tell us about it...
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Hmmm, Viagra lowers your blood pressure? I thought it raised your blood pressure... shows you what I know. I haven't tried it yet.

I sort of assumed that since people (I've heard) shouldn't take it along with party drugs that maybe it wouldn't be wise to use it with clen either. I guess that's true.
 
ROAD DOG said:
Does clen affect your sex life?When I was taking xenadrine I had a very hard time getting and maintainig an erection.I would never want to go through that again.
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No, it doesn't effect my sex drive like ECA does.
 
ratboy said:


Hmmm, Viagra lowers your blood pressure? I thought it raised your blood pressure... shows you what I know. I haven't tried it yet.

I sort of assumed that since people (I've heard) shouldn't take it along with party drugs that maybe it wouldn't be wise to use it with clen either. I guess that's true.
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Don't test me.

While sildenafil-induced vasodilation generally results in only transient modest reductions in systolic and diastolic blood pressure that usually are clinically unimportant when the drug is taken alone (see Pharmacology: Cardiovascular and Cerebrovascular Effects), dizziness (see Cautions: Nervous System Effects), which rarely may be severe; hypotension, including postural (orthostatic) hypotension; and syncope have been reported in about 2% or less of patients receiving the drug, with the latter effects occurring at a rate comparable to that reported with placebo. In addition, potentially severe and fatal hypotensive effects can occur in certain patients (e.g., those receiving an organic nitrate or nitrite concomitantly) (see Precautions and Contraindications: Cardiovascular Precautions and Contraindications, in Cautions and also see Drug Interactions: Organic Nitrates and Nitrites), and the possibility of a hypotensive reaction in patients receiving concomitant antihypertensive drug therapy,particularly those receiving multidrug regimens, should be considered. (See Drug Interactions: Antihypertensive and Hypotensive Agents.)



The risk of hypotension is of particular concern in patients with congestive heart failure who have borderline low blood volume and low blood pressure status, and additional study and experience are needed to determine the potential cardiovascular consequences of sildenafil use in high-risk cardiac patients

A precipitous reduction in blood pressure may occur with nitrate or nitrite use over the initial 24 hours following a dose of sildenafil; therefore, such concomitant therapy is contraindicated

Concurrent use of sildenafil with poppers, which dilate blood vessels with a rapid onset of action, could result in sudden and marked blood pressure reduction and potentially serious or even fatal effects


From medline drug search on Viagra.
 
Re: Drug Test

Paul Erwin said:
Will Clen show up on a drug test? I will be taking a drug test for a job soon so I have refrained from taking. Advise!
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Only if the are testing for Beta-agonists (which I doubt they are).
 
Outstanding post!

Just a couple of quick Qs. When you resume clen following the 2 week off periods, do you resume at the level you left off at or do you build up again? Also, do you devide the dosages or take it in one dose? Thanks for the informative post!
 
What about taking it 1 week on and 1 off. Would it still work the same. How long could you take it if you were cycling it like this? Anyone ever try IP's clen the one thats 10 times stronger than regular clen. I can only take 1/2 of one of those.
 
Re: Outstanding post!

bigkraut said:
Just a couple of quick Qs. When you resume clen following the 2 week off periods, do you resume at the level you left off at or do you build up again? Also, do you devide the dosages or take it in one dose? Thanks for the informative post!
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The first cycle is always the roughest. The second cycle should go more smoothly.

Yes, you start with more but not at your highest dose.

Ex: first cycle: 20mcg, 40mcg, 40-60mcg, 60

second cycle: 60mcg, 80mcg, 80, 100

Dividing the doses is theoretically not necessary since the half life is so long. However, you might want to seperate them in case you can't handle a few pills at a time.
 
Cipo said:
What about taking it 1 week on and 1 off. Would it still work the same. How long could you take it if you were cycling it like this? Anyone ever try IP's clen the one thats 10 times stronger than regular clen. I can only take 1/2 of one of those.
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That's a terrible idea. We cycle clen 2 weeks on and two weeks off for a few reasons:

The anti-catabolic effects are non significant after 18 days.

At a certain point, serious T3 suppression can occur.

Truly, the best way to cycle it would be 2 weeks on 3 weeks off(this is recommended for people who use it for muscle growth.)_ 2on/2off is still acceptable.
 
Just to add my experience, I did two Clen cycles last year, and while the typical side-effects were barely noticable, my resting pulse (e.g., in bed) went up to 95-100 BMP! I felt fine, but obviously my heart was working in overdrive - constantly. It freaked me out and I decided that it's just not for me. Common sense suggested that having my heart have to work that hard couldn't be doing me any good. Too bad, though, I did enjoy the boost it gave me while dieting.

ebear
 
sk* said:
should i split up the pills or take all 6at once?

thanks
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3 posts above:

Dividing the doses is theoretically not necessary since the half life is so long. However, you might want to seperate them in case you can't handle a few pills at a time.
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I wouldn't recommend taking all the pills at once if it's your first cycle.
 
I suffer from migraines....I want to try some clen but I hear all this talk about headaches....will it aggravate my condition? I haven't experienced any headaches on ephedrine...
 
PinK233 said:
I suffer from migraines....I want to try some clen but I hear all this talk about headaches....will it aggravate my condition? I haven't experienced any headaches on ephedrine...
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I use to suffer from bad migraines, and I can tell you that the headaches on clen were quite painful for me. If you can get through the first 4 days of your first cycle, you can handle it.

The trick is to take the tylenol at the first signs of a headache. I know I needed 3X the recommended dose (extra strength).

I wasn't suffering from migraines specifically when I was using clen, but I can't imagine that it wouldn't make your condition worse.
 
Re: clen and prostate?

BauerCuba said:
why is clen bad for the prostate? HELP!
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Why? I never bothered to look into it, but it's common knowledge that Ephedrine and Clen enlarge your prostate making difficult to urinate.

To be perfectly honest, ECA was harder on the prostate than clen for me.

You can tell your prostate is enlarged by a feeling you get from urinating and still feeling like you need to urinate again even though you don't. It's called urinary retention.
 
Moral of the story: don't combine viagra with a drug that affects the heart.
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How bout boner pills and G? Sort of off the topic but I figured why not ask?

Also on the topic a major word of caution. Clen doses are in MCG not mg. Friends of mine in thier infinite stupidity ordered pure powdered Clenbuterol HCl, about 100 dollars worth, or in other words 25,000 doeses at the normal 20mcg dose. The fool who gave me my first dose used the head of a pin lightly dipped in it as my dose and then he went home for the weekend and I was still awake and still having chest pains when he returned 2 days later. Be very careful!!!!! Dont fuck with the pure powdered stuff.

On a side not when I actually looked up clen and figured out how much we had I transfered a very small amount to a weighing vial and determined it to be roughly 1530 doses at 20mcg a piece and then disolved it in roughly 750ml of grain alcohol, making a solution in which 0.5ml (measured in a syringe the same way as we do 1,4bute)equaled 1 normal clen pill. After heating and stirring excessively the solution was transfered to many much smaller containers to prevent any possible settling out or disparities in conc.

This worked great for 2 weeks but ultimately all of the solution was lost in the move from one apartment to a new one never to be recovered.
 
TheChemist said:



How bout boner pills and G? Sort of off the topic but I figured why not ask?

Also on the topic a major word of caution. Clen doses are in MCG not mg. Friends of mine in thier infinite stupidity ordered pure powdered Clenbuterol HCl, about 100 dollars worth, or in other words 25,000 doeses at the normal 20mcg dose. The fool who gave me my first dose used the head of a pin lightly dipped in it as my dose and then he went home for the weekend and I was still awake and still having chest pains when he returned 2 days later. Be very careful!!!!! Dont fuck with the pure powdered stuff.

On a side not when I actually looked up clen and figured out how much we had I transfered a very small amount to a weighing vial and determined it to be roughly 1530 doses at 20mcg a piece and then disolved it in roughly 750ml of grain alcohol, making a solution in which 0.5ml (measured in a syringe the same way as we do 1,4bute)equaled 1 normal clen pill. After heating and stirring excessively the solution was transfered to many much smaller containers to prevent any possible settling out or disparities in conc.

This worked great for 2 weeks but ultimately all of the solution was lost in the move from one apartment to a new one never to be recovered.
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Good point. There have been a few posts about powdered clen and to me it's utterly useless. It's extremely hard to seperate into proper doses.

As for G and Viagra, I can't give you an answer because I'm not familiar with GHB.
 
Big A

I think I learned something about clen

that it works but one should at least throw in a light anabolic to the mix to ensure keeping muscle.

I have lost about 4=5 pounds in 12 days

which is not stellar, but I am only eating about 3 clen a day.

so thats good I think.

for a guy such as my self

would throwing in like 100mgs of primo every 5 days help someone such as my self with the cutting process?
 
OMEGA said:
Big A

I think I learned something about clen

that it works but one should at least throw in a light anabolic to the mix to ensure keeping muscle.

I have lost about 4=5 pounds in 12 days

which is not stellar, but I am only eating about 3 clen a day.

so thats good I think.

for a guy such as my self

would throwing in like 100mgs of primo every 5 days help someone such as my self with the cutting process?
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4-5 lbs in 12 days on 60mcg is not good? Lol, I think it's excellent. I think you should have bumped your doses higher. You'll be gaining some water weight back. Next clen cycle bump the doses. You'll get use to the side effect, they disappear fast.

As far as primo, I don't think it's worth it. Anabolics are way too overated when it comes to burning fat.

The best way to burn fat is to lower your calories. Unfortunetely, that can lead to lbm lost. That's what As should be used for when cutting: maintenance. Will they help too burn fat: yes, if you use a boatload. Cutting calories is more effective.

My advice is to use high quality anavar at 15-25 mg ed for serious low calorie phase. Next clen cycle bump the dose up to 100mcg(gradually), you won't be disapointed.
 
I just read your post over again, I misread, I thought you wanted to add the primo for fat loss. My mistake.

The reason I tend to prefer orals in when cutting is because they are so fast acting. They seem to help more than longer ester injectables.

If you have the primo, then use it, but if you haven't purchased anything Anavar, or even Dbol with arimidex is a good choice.
 
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