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Blood Tests In...Still Shut Down?

liftr486

liftr486

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ok guys, i got my bloods back in and here they are: (was on clomid at the time)
Test 212 (241-827)
FSH 6.2
LH 3.0
Estraidol <32
Cortisol 19.8
Cholesterol 181
LDL 130
HDL41

my test level is still low, could i still be shut down...as u remember i was on for 7mos and have been off almost 5...when will i get recovered? right now everyday my balls fuckin kill me...im goin to get an ultrasound on weds. to make sure nothins there. i have no sex drive...i dunno if i should go back on the Vitrix cuz its got tribulus in it, and i dun wanna affect recovery negatively... when i was on it i was horny and had somewhat of a sex drive...now nothin. i also jus started dostinex to help w/ effects from the fina in the beginning of my cycle...how long do u think it will take for me to recover?? wat should i take...im also doing post cycle and unleashed and finishin up on my clomid
 
Did you follow the regimen I posted a while back for you?

It seems that enough time has not passed for you to
finish the 6 week program I suggested.

If you are still following the program, simply give it
time. It's similar to recovering from a long night
of drinking alcohol. The body is going to take time
to return to normal.
 
yes canadianbro, i did do exactly wat u said, but i had started that on jan12...six weeks later i still was havin prob, so i thought id stay on the clomid for a little longer...wat should i do now??
 
CanadianBro said:
Did you follow the regimen I posted a while back for you?

It seems that enough time has not passed for you to
finish the 6 week program I suggested.

If you are still following the program, simply give it
time. It's similar to recovering from a long night
of drinking alcohol. The body is going to take time
to return to normal.
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His LH and FSH are in the reference range, albiet LH is at the low end of that. Why is his total test so low? Is this a side-effect of something like too much HCG or something else related to prior cycles?
 
yea, thats wat im so confused about...i have zero sex drive and i thought i shouldve recovered faster since i was still young...should i jus continue on indefinitely w/ the clomid or stop it now and c wat happens, its past the 6 wk point...also would adding tribulus now affect ne thing-cuz id really love to be horny again :worried:
 
yeah look something is clearly wrong, what is your testicular volume like?

i would get in touch with a specialist mate, some of this stuff can be time sensitive, and also, you want this fixed up right away (the sooner the better, it must suck feeling like that all day)

go to allthingsmale.com and organise an appointment

as much as i like to help people out i dont want to lead you on when there is someone better available- my suspicion is that your testes are having trouble producing the test in response to appropriate levels of lh and fsh. this could be something to do with lh and fsh receptor/cascade downregulation, or may have something to do with sheer test production capacity, or a bit of both, or even something else.

cheers mate, and good luck with it.

let this situation be a warning to those people who do not take the potential sides of drugs seriously. it doesnt always happen to someone else. (no disrespect to the original poster by that last comment btw)

cheers
 
liftr486 said:
ok guys, i got my bloods back in and here they are: (was on clomid at the time)
Test 212 (241-827)
FSH 6.2
LH 3.0
Estraidol <32
Cortisol 19.8
Cholesterol 181
LDL 130
HDL41

WHERE IS THE PROALCTIN READING? YOUR PITUITARY HAS RECOVERED, HENCE THE NORMAL LH AND FSH. AGAIN, YOU MUST SEE YOUR PROLACTIN LEVELS. IF THEY ARE NORMAL, THEN YOU HAVE A TESTICULAR PROBLEM. IF THE ULTRASOUND REVEALS NOTHING, THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO STAY CLEAN. THE OTHER POINT I MADE IS THAT THIS TESTOS LEVEL MAY BE NORMAL FOR YOU. WHAT WAS YOUR BASELINE TESTOS LEVEL--YOU NEVER POSTED IT.
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liftr486 said:
golden, my volume isnt that much, it seems to have decreased
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Something is wrong with you. Is the doc that orders these tests treating you or is he just doing tests? This may or may not be related to your prior cycles, as DRJMW suggests there could be a problem with your prolactin levels. This could be caused the prior tren/deca usage OR other causes (prolactin secreting tumor). High prolactin levels will all but destroy libido and test levels. You aren't going to find a solution on this board...
 
goldendelicious, you seem to truly be an expert on this site and I have more respect for your knowledge than anybody else here. Let me ask you a stupid question. Is there any roid that exists that will leave you will no side effects(hair loss, sex drive, blood pressure). Let's take for example Anavar at 20mg/week. What would you expect to see in terms of sides from this amount/week. I especially am concerned with the heart and complications from steroids both now and in the future. By the way, what about GH, what are you thoughts on risk/rewards of a GH only cycle?
 
psychedout said:
I dunno what to say about being shut down, but while you are, i'd try for a HRT script.
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Bro, if he does HRT, then he will NEVER recover, the HRT is to replace his natural production. So if he gets on HRT, it would be for LIFE.

People dont think of HRT as a legal way to get gear. If you are not 35+, this really is not the best option for you. If you are older than that, and have this problem, it might be worth considering, just know you are making a life long decision.
 
drjmw, i dun kno if my insurance will let me get another blood test so soon after my last one...would it be bad for me to take a low dose of dostinex ne way..and could i jus stay on the clomid for a little longer to try and get my levels back up and hopefully reagin some sort of libido?? i have a lot of both at my house...ill post my ultrasound results tomorrow...
 
hang on, whoa calm down with calling people expert and talking glowingly about them too much. your only allowed to do that if youre in my state, blonde, hot, and a nympho :D

liftr486: drmjw made two critical points- the one about prolactin, you should adress. the one about your testo reading actually being close to your normal is also very important, and you could only guage that by seeing if you have any symptoms of being hypo (not being horny is one of them). you having decreased testicular volume implies that you might have problems with getting enough testicular tissue to actually produce enough testo.

look at this point you should have a phone book in front of you organising some proactive med care, and getting on that site. wish i could help you more but im just not qualified. specialist help only from here on in.

diesel: those are big questions for answering in this thread (cant hijack, its rude :D ) but the short answer for that is that you can control side effects more through the use of ancilliary medications like hcg, arimidex, nolva/clomid, topical androgen blockers (hair), and skin meds as needed, than just through the choice of agent. also, dosage and length of cycle plays a huge role.

as for what id expect to see, well to be honest i couldnt help you, since no one comes into the pharmacy and says, bro, i have been on test for the past 4 years in 8 cycles with 20mg var..... truth is, i havnt got the experience. the other reason is that out of all the illicit user i know, no one uses var- theyre all on test and dbol, with a bit of deca thrown in. if you wanted info on that, different story...)

as for gh only cycles, id say that the evidence suggests that best results are through using it along with roids, unless youre just an older guy who wants to feel younger and look younger, in which case, its a nice sort of thing to be able to afford :)

cheers, and sorry for the partial hijack :)
 
do u think if i took tribulus, it might affect my recovery negatively? cuz i was taken it in like january and beginning of feb and i loved it- i was somehwat horny...but i stopped it cuz i heard it can keep u suppressed. i jus dun want it to keep me suppressed...thx9000-the doc doin the tests is also treating me, and im going at 1pm for the ultra...ill post results...later
 
liftr486 said:
do u think if i took tribulus, it might affect my recovery negatively? cuz i was taken it in like january and beginning of feb and i loved it- i was somehwat horny...but i stopped it cuz i heard it can keep u suppressed. i jus dun want it to keep me suppressed...thx9000-the doc doin the tests is also treating me, and im going at 1pm for the ultra...ill post results...later
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Tell him you want to your prolactin levels tested. Sorry, I cannot remember but does he know about your 7mo cycle? If he doesn't, then at some point the Doc is going to need this information. IMO you really need to stop trying to treat yourself (dostinex, tribulus, etc) by guessing at possible causes of your continued supression. You need to rely on the doc, if you feel your not making progress with him then get a referral to another endo.
 
yes he does kno about my 7 mos cycle and he said that he was pleased w/ how im recovering and that its jus gonna take time...he didnt wanna put me on ne meds cuz he said i should go back to normal w/o them, because of my age...but in the meantime i cant get a fucken hard on to save my life and i have no sex drive, plus i got a g/f so its really difficult, cuz im lookin for ne thing to boost my drive a little...
 
I can't emphasize it enough: get your prolactin levels checked; pay for the damn test yourself if you have to--it is your health. If prolactin is normal, then your testes are the problem and your doc or an endo can proceed. If prolactin is elevated, then dostinex will get down in a hurry and problem solved.
 
DrJMW said:
I can't emphasize it enough: get your prolactin levels checked; pay for the damn test yourself if you have to--it is your health. If prolactin is normal, then your testes are the problem and your doc or an endo can proceed. If prolactin is elevated, then dostinex will get down in a hurry and problem solved.
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so if you do a cycle and your test levels are suppressed will your prolactin levils elevate? i just had bloodwork done and i had been off for 3 weeks and my test levels checked at 279.the doc checked prolactin levels and everything came back normal.but that was like 2 weeks back and i feel my sex drive getting higher,therefore i think my test levels are elevateing.explaine this prolactin process
 
freakazoid said:
so if you do a cycle and your test levels are suppressed will your prolactin levils elevate? i just had bloodwork done and i had been off for 3 weeks and my test levels checked at 279.the doc checked prolactin levels and everything came back normal.but that was like 2 weeks back and i feel my sex drive getting higher,therefore i think my test levels are elevateing.explaine this prolactin process
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Testos cycles can only affect prolactin indirectly. If you do not use an aromatase inhibitor, and you allow your estrogen levels to sky-rocket, then prolactin levels can rise as a result of high estrogen levels. DECA, FINA, Tren, and Anadrol have a direct effect on Prolactin levels via Progesterone.

Based on the snippet of info you gave, you are still recovering. Eight weeks is typical recovery time, if you do a proper recovery cycle (this has been covered ad nauseum).
 
doc, if everything is normal w/ the ultrasound and prolactin levels, u said that it is my testes that are the problem...wat can be done to fix this?-i went for the test this am.
 
isnt it too far from the cycle to hcg...i did it originally when i came off...i was on for 7 mos b/c i was stupid......
 
Hey, lift486 I think I know somethings that might help you.

First, in my opinion it is possible that you have prostatitis or epidydimitis or even orchitis, that would be why you have pain in your testicles. That is my guess.

Next, don't do any HCG, that stuff just delays your system's recovery as much as anything else would.

Last, what about arimdex? Have you tried that? That is pretty potent at restoring your HPTA. About as potent as it gets I think.

Activity is also important, you should try to lose weight. If you have alot of lower body fat from previous cycles you will have a tough time ever getting your HPTA back in order. Lower body fat harbors high density concentrations of aromatase that will eat up your testosterone and adrenal androgens and also turn them into estrogens which will keep the LH and FSH levels down. Your LH levels are not appropriate in my nonmedical opinion, given your low testosterone levels.
 
theres no more pain in my balls, it stopped two days ago...im not goin to do ne more hcg b/c of the reason listed above, but i am still doin clomid at 50mg/ day...is that alright? i dun think the arimidex would help me since my estrogen levels are w/i range, plus i dun wanna have limp dick from it, its bad enough w/o it... my doc said this in his report "I am pleased with the results of his tests. His estraidol is now unmeasurable, his blood lipid profile has improved, and his FSH and LH are measurable. These pituitary hormones will stimulate his testicles and result in both an increase in size as well as an increase in the testosterone level" he jus wants me to wait everything out and c wat happens...do u think that w/ time my hard-ons and sex drive will come back...wat can i do

ps...i spoke to the doc re: the prolactin/progesterone and he said that he had checked it around 2 mos post cycle and everything was in range re: that, but he is still goin to check again in my blood test that was taken a few days ago.
 
Damn, just listen to your doctor...

It sounds like he's checked just about everything possible and it all looks good except for the low T levels. From here on out, it's going to just take time. You don't want to do HCG cause that will just supress LH again. Your LH and FSH levels are in the normal range, so no need for more clomid in that case. Clomid has a tendency to mess with a lot of guys libido anyhow, so continuing that could supress your libido even when T levels get back up there. Just wait it out, I know it sounds impossible but what from what the Doc is saying you are heading in the right direction the hard part is already behind you.
 
liftr486,

What is your doctor talking about your estradiol levels are umeasureable? I assume the value is being read in pg/ml? Maybea I am wrong? All it says in what you wrote is that your estradiol levels are below 32pg/ml if I am correct. Unmeasureable means 0pg/ml. Why does it just say >32pg/ml? Why don't you have the actual number? Is it a very crude lab test they are using or something. You need to have the actual number. It is important. In my opinion if the estradiol is above 10pg/ml arimidex will help alot.
 
Another point is that your doctor is, in my opinion, using a lab with an incorrect "normal" reference range for testosterone. The reference range I like is 300-1200ng/dl. Many labs have adjusted this reference range as of late, I don't know why. A few years back it was always 300-1200ng/dl.
 
liftr486 said:
so the refernce range of 241-827ng/dL is not accurate?
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No, that is the correct reference range used by Quest Diagnostics. It's just not the range that WanderingClumsyFool likes to use. At any rate, you have to keep in mind that the reference range is where most men will fall into. If you are a bit above or a bit below that range you are still "normal".
 
Yes, as thx9000 stated, its accurate, its just not the one I like to go by. I am not trying to say you have a bad doctor or anything either. Some labs just use different reference ranges for what is considered physiological that is all.

My main point was about the estradiol.
 
is the estraidol reading of <32 bad? the doc told me it was normal...i stopped the nolva but every so often my niples still bother me...i was wondering if that could b from the estrogen, if itsnt normal, like one of u guys had said, but it was even bothering me while i was taking the nolva, so i dunno.
 
liftr486, you have missed my point. Estradiol <32pg/ml is not bad it is considered the normal range of estradiol for men by some labs. Others have it at like 10-50pg/ml.

The point is this. Estradiol, even withinin the "normal" range has a negative feedback influence on your HPTA (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular-axis) that lowers your gonatropins and testosteron levels. For example if your estradiol was 30 pg/ml and you lowered it to 15pg/ml your testosterone would probably go up alot. However, the nolvas and clomid complicate the picture. My bet is that it would be desireable for you to know more precisely what your estradiol levels are, and if they are above say 10-15pg/ml to get on arimidex and get off the nolva and clomid unless your doctor has told you to take them. That is just what I would do. There is alot of evidence that in hypogondal as well as eugonadal men arimidex basically cuts your estrogen levels in half and in turn increass your testosterone levels by about 50 percent and that there is no tolerance to this effect. I don't know if this is true for clomid and nolva.
 
You guys have me all confused now, I was just recently told that I should take HCG for 3weeks along w/ Nolva and 50mg clomid, Now I'm reading you guys saying that HCG will hurt you in the long run as to rasing T levels? I am 3months out from ending a cycle, did short post cyce 1wk HCG & 2wks Clomid, and my levels where in the basement like 129 about 2weeks ago, Am I right or wrong by trying to do another post cycle deal with the HCG & Clomid as stated above?
 
i dont really wanna take arimidex b/c i dont want my estro to get lowered too low...do u think 6-oxo might b a good alternative? also, if my estro are w/i range, how come my nipples still bother me??
 
liftr486 said:
i dont really wanna take arimidex b/c i dont want my estro to get lowered too low...do u think 6-oxo might b a good alternative? also, if my estro are w/i range, how come my nipples still bother me??
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Just let yourself continue to recover naturally. Your LH and FSH values are in the normal range and you have normal testicular mass. Don't fck around with anymore drugs, herbs, or hormones at this point. You have done everything reasonable, now do what your doc/endo are telling you wait it out for a month or two. Things are going in the right direction, you just have to be patient at this point.
 
but y does my chest still bother me and why are they still puffy?? so far from the end of my cycle??
 
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what the fuck are you doing on elite? you should be in a waiting room full of snot nose kids waiting to see doc. get the fuck out of here and see a SPECIALIST, all the flim-flaming rigamanroe with the vitex/clomid/dostinex is monkey buisness dude.. does anyone else see what im seeing? go to the fucking doctor man
 
calm the fuck down!!!!!!!!!!!!! if u read my fucken post, u woulda realized that i did go to the doc and he said not to worry...but it is still bothering me....he is a specialist that said not to worry and my gp said the same, but my chest is still bothering-im jus lookin for help, calm down...
 
dont take my squabble personal.

so where the fuck is the nolvadex? i would use 20 mg lasix for 3-4 days then see what happens
 
u want me to use nolva w/ lasix? i was usin nolva throughout pct 20-40-even 60/day, but my chest was still bothering....
 
i wouldnt take them together thats just me, lasix is dangerous just search corerct ways of administarition. then use it to see what happens.
 
Ya, liftr I would listen to thx9000.

Things are going in the right diection. Rushing it, changing things up, at this point it probably just counterproductive. No reason to risk things.

However, if you have not told your doctor about the clomid and the nolva that is a different story. You should inform him about that stuff.
 
JAYMAN014 said:
You guys have me all confused now, I was just recently told that I should take HCG for 3weeks along w/ Nolva and 50mg clomid, Now I'm reading you guys saying that HCG will hurt you in the long run as to rasing T levels? I am 3months out from ending a cycle, did short post cyce 1wk HCG & 2wks Clomid, and my levels where in the basement like 129 about 2weeks ago, Am I right or wrong by trying to do another post cycle deal with the HCG & Clomid as stated above?
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HCG, temporarily stimulates your leyding cells, your testosteone goes up and your estrogen goes through the roof (not like wth regular LH), thats it, that's all it does. But alot of people use it in the belief that it helps to restore their HPTA, I don't know why. MAybea they are right, I don't think so. Many different ideas out there, no AMA or FDA monitoring pannel. But this is a different thread.
 
DrJMW said:
liftr486 said:
ok guys, i got my bloods back in and here they are: (was on clomid at the time)
Test 212 (241-827)
FSH 6.2
LH 3.0
Estraidol <32
Cortisol 19.8
Cholesterol 181
LDL 130
HDL41

WHERE IS THE PROALCTIN READING? YOUR PITUITARY HAS RECOVERED, HENCE THE NORMAL LH AND FSH. AGAIN, YOU MUST SEE YOUR PROLACTIN LEVELS. IF THEY ARE NORMAL, THEN YOU HAVE A TESTICULAR PROBLEM. IF THE ULTRASOUND REVEALS NOTHING, THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO STAY CLEAN. THE OTHER POINT I MADE IS THAT THIS TESTOS LEVEL MAY BE NORMAL FOR YOU. WHAT WAS YOUR BASELINE TESTOS LEVEL--YOU NEVER POSTED IT.
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...Hey Dr....I have a question for you...I went to a urologist about 2 years ago...after a 16 weeks test and deca cycle{levels came back 400+}...I did not have free tested unfortunatley{will soon}...Ok, well I actually went to have a very small lump in my testical checked, and he did no ultrasound...He checked it{with his hands} and said I was fine...I have had it for almost 15 years...There has been no growth, maybe a little discomfort, but no actual growth...I was wondering if this could possibly have something to do with my sex drive lagging, when I'm not on a cycle ?... I also noticed that I do not get to many morning erections anymore...Few and far betwee,...what should I do ?... get a free test level check done ?
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also my
LH was normal
Prolactin was normal

I'm thinking that I may have some problem with my testicales ,as I was born with both undescended and the problem was not fixed till a few years to late...
 
i dunno wtf my nipples are still bothering me...if my estrogen levels are w/i range, wats causin them to be irritated? my doc says not to worry, but it its sore and i can feel a little knot there...
 
muscleup said:
...Hey Dr....I have a question for you...I went to a urologist about 2 years ago...after a 16 weeks test and deca cycle{levels came back 400+}...I did not have free tested unfortunatley{will soon}...Ok, well I actually went to have a very small lump in my testical checked, and he did no ultrasound...He checked it{with his hands} and said I was fine...I have had it for almost 15 years...There has been no growth, maybe a little discomfort, but no actual growth.

IT IS PROBABLY BENIGN AND AHS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING. I AM SURE THAT IS WHAT YOUR DOC TOLD YOU.


..I was wondering if this could possibly have something to do with my sex drive lagging, when I'm not on a cycle ?... I also noticed that I do not get to many morning erections anymore...Few and far betwee,...what should I do ?... get a free test level check done ?
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LOL. I DON'T EITHER. PART OF GROWING UP/AGING. AS AN ASIDE, YOU SHOULD GET BASELINE READINGS OF ALL YOUR SYSTEMS AS I AHVE RECOMMENDED OVER THE YEARS. YOU CAN DO A SEARCH FO THE 2004 RECOMMENDED TESTS THAT I HAVE POSTED. THE MODS SHOULD MAKE THE ONGOING LIST A PERMANENT STICKY. BLOOD TESTING IS THE MSOT IMPORTANT PART OF CYCLING.
 
WanderingClumsyFool said:
HCG, temporarily stimulates your leyding cells, your testosteone goes up and your estrogen goes through the roof (not like wth regular LH), thats it, that's all it does. But alot of people use it in the belief that it helps to restore their HPTA, I don't know why. MAybea they are right, I don't think so. Many different ideas out there, no AMA or FDA monitoring pannel. But this is a different thread.
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stumblinbumblingfool, some of your advice is good and some of it I have a problem with. In the above statement you say "you dont know why", so let me tell you: Because it works most of the time. This guy was on 7 months as I recall, so he should have been using HCG throughout the cycle say: every 6weeks 3-6 days w/500iuED. That will help keep his nuts from shriveling up like fucking raisins. Then PC it will usually take less time to recover thye HPTA if the nuts are still normal sized (not the size of a pea after 7 months).

Now I know the shit works for me. I never use more than 500iu at a time. I never use it for more than 10 days consecutively. I take Nolva @ 20-40 ED with it and a couple weeks after the Hcg.

My last cycle was 10 wks Test & Deca. Last shot was end of Jan. 04. Bloodwork completed earlier this month and I was 416ng/dl. I am not even 8 weeks from my last shot and I am sure my test levels are climbing even now. I dont give HCg all the credit, but it definately helps. i never use more than 500iu, it is all I need. 500iu has nearly no estrogen rebound effect, like 1500iu+ would cause. So you say you dont know why...because I have used it with bloodwork to verify it was an important part of quick recovery for me.

How many cycles have you completed? How many times did you use Hcg? How many times did you get bloodwork before and after the cycle? We use Hcg because it works. Like anything else, you can over do Hcg and cause more damage than good.
 
wtf is goin on here...jus before goin into the shower this morning,i touched my chest and fcken liquid (pus?) came out of my nipples...wtf is causin this and wat can i do...this happened to me a few months back and the doc was of no help, he checked my prolactin or prog, and said everything was normal?! wat should i do??
 
liftr486 said:
wtf is goin on here...jus before goin into the shower this morning,i touched my chest and fcken liquid (pus?) came out of my nipples...wtf is causin this and wat can i do...this happened to me a few months back and the doc was of no help, he checked my prolactin or prog, and said everything was normal?! wat should i do??
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There is an estrogen/prolactin problem somewhere...get some bromo and run it @2.5 mgs twice per week...I have read that this is an effective doseages and yields very little sides
 
DrJMW said:
LOL. I DON'T EITHER. PART OF GROWING UP/AGING. AS AN ASIDE, YOU SHOULD GET BASELINE READINGS OF ALL YOUR SYSTEMS AS I AHVE RECOMMENDED OVER THE YEARS. YOU CAN DO A SEARCH FO THE 2004 RECOMMENDED TESTS THAT I HAVE POSTED. THE MODS SHOULD MAKE THE ONGOING LIST A PERMANENT STICKY. BLOOD TESTING IS THE MSOT IMPORTANT PART OF CYCLING.
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Yeah but I'm only 29...Is this normal for some ?
 
liftr486 said:
wtf is goin on here...jus before goin into the shower this morning,i touched my chest and fcken liquid (pus?) came out of my nipples...wtf is causin this and wat can i do...this happened to me a few months back and the doc was of no help, he checked my prolactin or prog, and said everything was normal?! wat should i do??
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Are you on other drugs? Did you "touch" your nipple or squeeze the shit out of it?

Your tits are leaking puss, and your doctor cant help? you are screwed dood
 
muscleup said:
There is an estrogen/prolactin problem somewhere...get some bromo and run it @2.5 mgs twice per week...I have read that this is an effective doseages and yields very little sides
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No, go back to the doctor. Soon. You are lactating probably for the reasons muscleup has stated (prog/prolactin). This isn't good, go to a different doc if your's doesn't think this needs to be treated.
 
until you get the drugs you need you may want to load up on B6 and, say acetyl-tryosine, too as they may help alleviate the prolactin issues somewhat (by ramping up dopamine levels)
 
DrJMW said:
LOL. I DON'T EITHER. PART OF GROWING UP/AGING. AS AN ASIDE, YOU SHOULD GET BASELINE READINGS OF ALL YOUR SYSTEMS AS I AHVE RECOMMENDED OVER THE YEARS. YOU CAN DO A SEARCH FO THE 2004 RECOMMENDED TESTS THAT I HAVE POSTED. THE MODS SHOULD MAKE THE ONGOING LIST A PERMANENT STICKY. BLOOD TESTING IS THE MSOT IMPORTANT PART OF CYCLING.
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Thanks for answering my ?..I was getting really concerned when I kept reading all these "ultrasound" post...I hate the fact that I do not wake up with morning wood, that often...That fucking sux...Is it normal at such a young age{29}...could it possibly be depression ?..I have never really thought of it before until now...I feel good otherwise
 
i went to the head of endo at Long Island Jewish and he said that all my levels were normal and that he wasnt worried about it...to jus let time heal it...but its still bothering me...plus my gp is of no help either, thats y i came to the board w/ my ? cuz i dunno wat to do
 
Thanks for all the bad Karma from the HCG crowd and the sneering comments.

Liftr486, type in pubmed into your internet search engine and click on the link with that title (pubmed not pubmed central). Do a search about arimidex and testosterone and compare the studies' abstracts with what you get with a search on clomid or nolva and testosterone.

If any of you other people are interested you can do the same for HCG and see what it does to your estradiol levels.

I used testostrone and steroid for years and never used HCG. I just got blood work 1 month ago to check my natural functioning. The levels were 500ng/dl at 5:00 in the evening. I have only used arimidex, aromasin, letrozole (don't like letrozole at all), proviron(not for antiestrogen purposes)
 
WanderingClumsyFool said:
Thanks for all the bad Karma from the HCG crowd and the sneering comments.

Liftr486, type in pubmed into your internet search engine and click on the link with that title (pubmed not pubmed central). Do a search about arimidex and testosterone and compare the studies' abstracts with what you get with a search on clomid or nolva and testosterone.

If any of you other people are interested you can do the same for HCG and see what it does to your estradiol levels.

I used testostrone and steroid for years and never used HCG. I just got blood work 1 month ago to check my natural functioning. The levels were 500ng/dl at 5:00 in the evening. I have only used arimidex, aromasin, letrozole (don't like letrozole at all), proviron(not for antiestrogen purposes)
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are you saying you were on for years with no break ?...Letrozole will KILL!!! your sex drive if you do not watch it...Very strong indeed...
 
do u think it would b beneficial to use arimidex or something similiar now(like 6 oxo)? (since my test said i was <32) i dont wanna lower my estro so much that it causes my sex drive to be lowered.
 
WanderingClumsyFool said:
HCG, temporarily stimulates your leyding cellsand your estrogen goes through the roof that's all it does. But alot of people use it in the belief that it helps to restore their HPTA, I don't know why. Maybe they are right, I don't think so. ...no AMA or FDA monitoring pannel.
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With larger doses (1000iu +) the estrogen issue is relevant, but lower doses and nolva together prevent the Estrogen from causing any problems. It is definately helpful in the middle of a cycle, and post cycle if used properly. Even if the FDA doesnt monitor, it still helps! ;)


WanderingClumsyFool said:
If any of you other people are interested you can do the same search for HCG and see what it does to your estradiol levels.
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We dont have to search to find out if Hcg affects your E levels, that is why I suggest using smaller doses (500iuED) on a daily basis instead of larger doses on an EOD or E3D basis. I would always use an anti-e with Hcg treatment regardless of the dose.


WanderingClumsyFool said:
I ... never used HCG.
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With all due respect, please dont give advice on things you know nothing about. If you dont use Hcg fine, that is your choice. It does help recover the HPTA more quickly when used properly. I am 100% sure it helps me recover my HPTA more quickly when used mid cycle and then again post cycle.

DISCLAIMER:
As with anything, if you misuse Hcg and use excessive doses it can cause more harm than good to your HPTA.
 
adex could most certainly be beneficial if your estrogen is too high but it sounds like your real issue is prolactin
 
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