Adderall = Cheating?

[puddlemonkey]

Absolutely! I took one for the first time less than a week ago and I couldn't believe how much easier it was to focus and concentrate. I would have done so much better in school had I had access to this stuff. Forget steroids in baseball, this should be what everyone is upset about. If baseball players are punished and shunned by the Hall of Fame for using performance enhancing drugs, why do students get a pass on it? We take medals away from olympians when they are caught trying to get an edge on the competition. Are we not teaching our kids at a young age cheating is ok? I want a level playing field, I demand degrees be stripped from those who used performance enhancing drugs in school.

 

[Six8]

i was 7th from the bottom of my class in high school and never took a thing. I got prescribed adderal my first semester of college and my GPA is sitting at 3.8 now. i like cheating

 

[billfred]

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[Jon79]

yea imagine if you really need it how hard it is to concentrate without it... it sux

 

[puddlemonkey]

yea imagine if you really need it how hard it is to concentrate without it... it sux

It's hard for some people to hit a slider, doesn't mean they should get a free pass on using HGH and making millions more for doing so while many others have to do it without PEDs (performance enhancing drugs) and make the league minimum because they struggle to maintain a .260 batting average.

 

[ceo]

I'm sorry, what's this thread about again???

 

[billfred]

It's hard for some people to hit a slider, doesn't mean they should get a free pass on using HGH and making millions more for doing so while many others have to do it without PEDs (performance enhancing drugs) and make the league minimum because they struggle to maintain a .260 batting average.

Baseball players all take stims to keep them focused while hitting - it is just not illegal. It is called batting naked if you are not on something.

 

[Jon79]

It's hard for some people to hit a slider, doesn't mean they should get a free pass on using HGH and making millions more for doing so while many others have to do it without PEDs (performance enhancing drugs) and make the league minimum because they struggle to maintain a .260 batting average.

ok again you have no fucking clue

mr. know it all as usual whats fucking new..

 

[musclemom]

For people who really have focus and concentration problems all it's doing is bringing them up to the rest of the field. Kids who genuinely have ADD (as opposed to disciplinary problems or reactions to food additives, for example) actually have measurably less blood flow to their frontal lobes.

There are professionals who are of the opinion that ADD and ADHD are actually beneficial traits from an evolutionary standpoint, enabling the person to be more aware of their surroundings, be aware of multiple things going on simultaneously. However, just because running down prey and running away from predators has been phased out and we now prefer our young to sit quietly at a desk and read, doesn't mean those genes just turn off.

 

[Six8]

how r u comparing a competitive sport to gaining knowledge anyway??? I guess you could argue that the degree was easier but wtf if im learning more due to controlling my inability to focus then why not?

 

[Jon79]

For people who really have focus and concentration problems all it's doing is bringing them up to the rest of the field. Kids who genuinely have ADD (as opposed to disciplinary problems or reactions to food additives, for example) actually have measurably less blood flow to their frontal lobes.

There are professionals who are of the opinion that ADD and ADHD are actually beneficial traits from an evolutionary standpoint, enabling the person to be more aware of their surroundings, be aware of multiple things going on simultaneously. However, just because running down prey and running away from predators has been phased out and we now prefer our young to sit quietly at a desk and read, doesn't mean those genes just turn off.

thank you..... finally a person with a brain...

did'nt you know puddle knows everything?

thats why he posts non stop on ef bc these ppl are the only ones that will believe his bullshit...

 

[cindylou]

when I took it - it made me happy - like a huge sense of well being and overall happiness

but Im too scared of it to take it all the time

Is it cheating? Im not sure, adderall taken by a healthy person would be cheating. But taken by someone who has ADD just puts them on a level playing field...right?

 

[Jon79]

now you taking vicodin bc you are to much of a pussy to handle the pain... thats cheating.

 

[billfred]

when I took it - it made me happy - like a huge sense of well being and overall happiness

but Im too scared of it to take it all the time

Is it cheating? Im not sure, adderall taken by a healthy person would be cheating. But taken by someone who has ADD just puts them on a level playing field...right?

So steroids taken by skinny people is just bringing them up to the ability of a person with normal athletic muscle build. Right?

 

[puddlemonkey]

thank you..... finally a person with a brain...

did'nt you know puddle knows everything?

thats why he posts non stop on ef bc these ppl are the only ones that will believe his bullshit...

Jon, stfu. Nothing wrong with trying to stir some conversation in C&C considering it's been moving at a snails pace lately. As for posting non-stop, I've posted 13 times in two days. lol@knowing everything. wtf?

 

[cindylou]

So steroids taken by skinny people is just bringing them up to the ability of a person with normal athletic muscle build. Right?

if they are so skinny it keeps them from functioning normally...yeah. why not.

They give steroids to babies whose lungs are not developed

a normal person taking steriods to build muscle is cheating - we are talking sports right

a person who cant function due to lack of muscle wouldnt be

 

[Scotsman]

Regarding the cheating question you should all see "Bigger, Faster, Stronger". He touches on this exact subject outside the world of sports.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[puddlemonkey]

Baseball players all take stims to keep them focused while hitting - it is just not illegal. It is called batting naked if you are not on something.

MLB Drug Policy

Banned Stimulants

1. Amfepramone (Diethylproprion)
2. Amphetamine
3. Amphetaminil
4. Benzphetamine
5. Chloroamphetamine
6. Chlorphentermine
7. Clobenzorex
8. Clortermine
9. Dimethylamphetamine
10. Ephedrine (Ephedra)
11. Ethylamphetamine
12. Famprofazone
13. Fencamfamine
14. Fenethylline
15. Fenfluramine
16. Fenproporex
17. Furfenorex
18. Mefenorex
19. Mesocarb
20. Mephentermine
21. Methylphenidate
22. Modafinil
23. Pemoline
24. Phenpentermine
25. Phentermine
26. Prolintane
27. Phendimetrazine (Phenmetrazine)
28. Propylhexedrine
29. Pyrovalerone
30. Selegiline

 

[billfred]

if they are so skinny it keeps them from functioning normally...yeah. why not.

They give steroids to babies whose lungs are not developed

a normal person taking steriods to build muscle is cheating

a person who cant function due to lack of muscle wouldnt be

ok.. I was 6'1" and 125 lbs as a Senior in High School. I think I should have legally been able to take steriods so I could play football.

I had/have ADD as well so I need all that shit. I'm in.

 

[cindylou]

ok.. I was 6'1" and 125 lbs as a Senior in High School. I think I should have legally been able to take steriods so I could play football.

I had/have ADD as well so I need all that shit. I'm in.

I wish I was 6'1 and 125

Im in on that

 

[billfred]

MLB Drug Policy

Banned Stimulants

1. Amfepramone (Diethylproprion)
2. Amphetamine
3. Amphetaminil
4. Benzphetamine
5. Chloroamphetamine
6. Chlorphentermine
7. Clobenzorex
8. Clortermine
9. Dimethylamphetamine
10. Ephedrine (Ephedra)
11. Ethylamphetamine
12. Famprofazone
13. Fencamfamine
14. Fenethylline
15. Fenfluramine
16. Fenproporex
17. Furfenorex
18. Mefenorex
19. Mesocarb
20. Mephentermine
21. Methylphenidate
22. Modafinil
23. Pemoline
24. Phenpentermine
25. Phentermine
26. Prolintane
27. Phendimetrazine (Phenmetrazine)
28. Propylhexedrine
29. Pyrovalerone
30. Selegiline

Adderall is legal!!

 

[Jon79]

Jon, stfu. Nothing wrong with trying to stir some conversation in C&C considering it's been moving at a snails pace lately. As for posting non-stop, I've posted 13 times in two days. lol@knowing everything. wtf?

ok...

oh stfu

 

[puddlemonkey]

For people who really have focus and concentration problems all it's doing is bringing them up to the rest of the field. Kids who genuinely have ADD (as opposed to disciplinary problems or reactions to food additives, for example) actually have measurably less blood flow to their frontal lobes.

It appears to have brought six8 up from the bottom to the top. Unless the average GPA at his school is 3.8 which I highly doubt.



As for those asking how it relates to baseball and other sports, they all get paid based on performance. In baseball, better batting, better fielding, better pitching all equates to better pay. In life, better grades, better school, better degrees will also equal better pay. At what point is it cheating? Where do we draw the line? Is it fair to those who struggle to get by and don't have someone feeding them PEDs?

I graduated high school with a D+. I'm not a retard, I couldn't pay attention in school. In college, I did my absolute best to stay focused knowing how expensive it was just to be there, I struggle to stay near a 3.0 GPA. I later dropped out after two years. If I were six8 and someone started me on adderall in jr high, who's to say I wouldn't have had a free ride through college via scholarships?

Again, is it cheating? Is it fair to those that don't get adderall? I feel cheated.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Adderall is legal!!

Roids are also legal, IF PRESCRIBED! I can't walk into WalMart and grab some adderall off the shelves.

 

[Scotsman]

It appears to have brought six8 up from the bottom to the top. Unless the average GPA at his school is 3.8 which I highly doubt.



As for those asking how it relates to baseball and other sports, they all get paid based on performance. In baseball, better batting, better fielding, better pitching all equates to better pay. In life, better grades, better school, better degrees will also equal better pay. At what point is it cheating? Where do we draw the line? Is it fair to those who struggle to get by and don't have someone feeding them PEDs?

I graduated high school with a D+. I'm not a retard, I couldn't pay attention in school. In college, I did my absolute best to stay focused knowing how expensive it was just to be there, I struggle to stay near a 3.0 GPA. I later dropped out after two years. If I were six8 and someone started me on adderall in jr high, who's to say I wouldn't have had a free ride through college via scholarships?
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Again, is it cheating? Is it fair to those that don't get adderall? I feel cheated.

Using batting in baseball as the example. Hell adderall or other stims are probably more cheating than roids. Roids do not help your eye-hand coordination (The key component in batting). It doesn't matter how hard you can swing a bat if you can't make contact with the ball.

Besides my feeling is if you are going to ban/outlaw one drug from competition you must ban all drugs from competition. And in today's world getting a prescription for something is pretty easy even if you have no legitimate reason for getting it.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[puddlemonkey]

btw- we all know life isn't fair. I just want some opinions on this. Not trying to ruffle any feathers (except cw's maybe).

 

[billfred]

Roids are also legal, IF PRESCRIBED! I can't walk into WalMart and grab some adderall off the shelves.

I meant adderall is legal for baseball rules. Did you run out of Adderall or something?

 

[puddlemonkey]

Using batting in baseball as the example. Hell adderall or other stims are probably more cheating than roids. Roids do not help your eye-hand coordination (The key component in batting). It doesn't matter how hard you can swing a bat if you can't make contact with the ball.

HGH helps with eyesight, which in turn will help you hit the ball. Adderall helps with focus and concentration, which in turn will help you get better grades.

 

[puddlemonkey]

I meant adderall is legal for baseball rules. Did you run out of Adderall or something?

Notice the things that help you get an edge in baseball are banned? Adderall isn't gonna help you hit 70 homers. It will however, help you in school. So why not ban it in the classroom?

 

[Jon79]

my feather's are officially ruffled

 

[Scotsman]

HGH helps with eyesight, which in turn will help you hit the ball. Adderall helps with focus and concentration, which in turn will help you get better grades.

No seeing better doesn't help it's processing the visual information and conducting the commands based on that to the proper motor centers for swinging. So no, just upping your eyesight from 20/20 to 20/18 isn't going to do shit for hitting the ball.

Now taking something that improves focus will definitely help you out. If you have a clearer processing or sped up processing of the same data then bingo bigger advantage.

Also just having better focus may not help with comprehension. If will help with the initial intake and processing of raw data but not understanding and utilization.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[myway]

This would be a reasonable comparison if adderall made people(the ones REALLY needing it) have superior focus but it just makes them level with everyone else. If I didn't have my adderall, I would prolly put my cell phone in the freezer and my chicken in my purse. Seriously. Thats what it's like without it.

 

[puddlemonkey]

No seeing better doesn't help it's processing the visual information and conducting the commands based on that to the proper motor centers for swinging. So no, just upping your eyesight from 20/20 to 20/18 isn't going to do shit for hitting the ball.

Barry Bonds



checkmate

 

[puddlemonkey]

This would be a reasonable comparison if adderall made people(the ones REALLY needing it) have superior focus but it just makes them level with everyone else.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/chat-conversation/adderall-cheating-654789.html#post8859103


Goes above and beyond for some.

 

[Jon79]

i heard adderall turns you into superman and or woman.. just sayin ..

 

[Jon79]

to compare taking adderall to a athelete taking steroids is just stupid...


thats like saying a diabetic is cheating by taking insulin... makes no sense

 

[Scotsman]

Barry Bonds



checkmate

Ok this is one of my favorite arguments. Bond was an excellent hitter when he came into the league. His batting average was roughly the same as now. The only difference is that he hits the ball farther now. This is due to a multitude of factors.

1. He is much bigger and stronger than as a rookie (roids)
2. He switched from a single wood bat to a bonded two wood bat. Someone with the proper swing can cause these bats to flex at the bonding joint causing a spring effect. This greatly increases the impact foce of the bat. (Shouldn't be allowed IMO)
3. Most major league players become better hitters as their carreers progress. (at leas batting average)

Personally I think the two wood bats are a bigger impact than anything else. I watched a show about it and his HR percentage shot up after the switch.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[myway]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/chat-conversation/adderall-cheating-654789.html#post8859103


Goes above and beyond for some.

Well, then they don't really need it and should be tar and feathered with the rest of the junkies.

 

[Scotsman]

to compare taking adderall to a athelete taking steroids is just stupid...


thats like saying a diabetic is cheating by taking insulin... makes no sense

Why is it stupid? Someone taking a drug to improve any aspect when they have no legitimate need for it is the same as any other drug.

You're only looking at this as someone who actually needs adderall to function normally. The context is more aimed at a normal healthy person taking it to get an edge.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[musclemom]

Why is it stupid? Someone taking a drug to improve any aspect when they have no legitimate need for it is the same as any other drug.

You're only looking at this as someone who actually needs adderall to function normally. The context is more aimed at a normal healthy person taking it to get an edge.

Cheers,
Scotsman

But how in the world do you weed out those who genuinely need the drug as opposed to those who are taking it to gain an edge? It's not like you can do a blood test and say, OH, hey, your frontal lobes are operating at suboptimal speed. And those MRIs that measured frontal lobe blood flow are FMRIs, uncommon machines, and really frigging expensive to boot.

Kid who have ADD/ADHD are frigging miserable until they get properly diagnosed and treated, and most of them don't like taking their meds. They don't get off on it, they hate having to take a medication just to keep up with the other kids and most of them get some kind of side effect with the stuff.

They don't do the same thing to ADD/ADHD people that they do to "normal" people.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

I meant adderall is legal for baseball rules. Did you run out of Adderall or something?

Adderall is not legal for use in major league baseball. Adderall is a mixture of 4 different amphetamines.

 

[Jon79]

Why is it stupid? Someone taking a drug to improve any aspect when they have no legitimate need for it is the same as any other drug.

You're only looking at this as someone who actually needs adderall to function normally. The context is more aimed at a normal healthy person taking it to get an edge.

Cheers,
Scotsman

its stupid because the comparion is stupid...

taking a medication that is needed and makes you "normal" is not the same as taking a performance enhancing drug

if you are saying a person abusing the medecation then yes obviously its a rational comparison..

i never even read his first post so yea... did not take my adderall today. did not have the patience to read it

 

[jackangel]

I see it as a retarded person complaining about his retardation and blaming it on ignorance of certain therapeutic modalities.

This person is also corpulent.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Personally I think the two wood bats are a bigger impact than anything else. I watched a show about it and his HR percentage shot up after the switch.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[Sub-Zero]

yea imagine if you really need it how hard it is to concentrate without it... it sux

lol...here we go.

"i have a disease that makes me unable to concentrate"

 

[Scotsman]

But how in the world do you weed out those who genuinely need the drug as opposed to those who are taking it to gain an edge? It's not like you can do a blood test and say, OH, hey, your frontal lobes are operating at suboptimal speed. And those MRIs that measured frontal lobe blood flow are FMRIs, uncommon machines, and really frigging expensive to boot.

Kid who have ADD/ADHD are frigging miserable until they get properly diagnosed and treated, and most of them don't like taking their meds. They don't get off on it, they hate having to take a medication just to keep up with the other kids and most of them get some kind of side effect with the stuff.

They don't do the same thing to ADD/ADHD people that they do to "normal" people.

Honestly the way the world really works there is no good system to find this out. We don't live in a utopian eden where only the people who need things get them.

But as my post intended for the purpose of discussion: Why is it any different for a normal healthy individual to take adderal to get an edge than for someone to take steroids to get an edge?

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Why does it matter if somebody is taking adderall to be "normal" versus somebody who takes it to be "supernormal"? Why should somebody be punished just because they perform at a supernormal level?

 

[puddlemonkey]

i never even read his first post so yea... did not take my adderall today. did not have the patience to read it

But yet you had the patience to respond multiple times?


ADDERALL ABUSER!!!!!

 

[myway]

Why does it matter if somebody is taking adderall to be "normal" versus somebody who takes it to be "supernormal"? Why should somebody be punished just because they perform at a supernormal level?

WOW. I think I like u.

 

[Scotsman]

its stupid because the comparion is stupid...

taking a medication that is needed and makes you "normal" is not the same as taking a performance enhancing drug

if you are saying a person abusing the medecation then yes obviously its a rational comparison..

i never even read his first post so yea... did not take my adderall today. did not have the patience to read it

See if you had just taken the time to check it out then you wouldn't have gotten your feathers ruffled and would have actually spent less time dealing with it.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[jackangel]

WOW. I think I like u.

that's a great compliment.

 

[Jon79]

lol...here we go.

"i have a disease that makes me unable to concentrate"

fuck you fat boy

 

[Jon79]

See if you had just taken the time to check it out then you wouldn't have gotten your feathers ruffled and would have actually spent less time dealing with it.

Cheers,
Scotsman

na id rather talk shit

 

[Smurfy]

Notice the things that help you get an edge in baseball are banned? Adderall isn't gonna help you hit 70 homers. It will however, help you in school. So why not ban it in the classroom?

maybe because ADHD is a medical/psychiatric diagnosis. batting a .250 is not.

lol what's going on in Platchat today

 

[puddlemonkey]

Why does it matter if somebody is taking adderall to be "normal" versus somebody who takes it to be "supernormal"? Why should somebody be punished just because they perform at a supernormal level?

Lets say you lost out on getting a scholarship to the college of your dreams because someone else knocked you out of the bubble with a slightly better GPA. That other person used PEDs. You wouldn't feel cheated?

 

[Scotsman]

Thank you for illustrating point #1

This illustrates all my other points.
Barry Bonds Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com

As I said his batting average is largly unchanged now his slugging percentage.....

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[puddlemonkey]

maybe because ADHD is a medical/psychiatric diagnosis. batting a .250 is not.

ADHD tag is handed out like halloween candy now days. How many of those with "ADHD" are just lazy? *looks at jon*

 

[Smurfy]

ADHD tag is handed out like halloween candy now days. How many of those with "ADHD" are just lazy? *looks at jon*

lol why dont we send them all to you and you can make the clinical decision whether they need the medication or not.

 

[Jon79]

ADHD tag is handed out like halloween candy now days. How many of those with "ADHD" are just lazy? *looks at jon*

lazy? you know nothing about me fucktard, but you claim to...

 

[Scotsman]

Why does it matter if somebody is taking adderall to be "normal" versus somebody who takes it to be "supernormal"? Why should somebody be punished just because they perform at a supernormal level?

There is absolutely no reason someone should be punished for performing at a supernorm level. Personally I have no problem in better living through modern chemistry!

Besides do you think anyone wants to watch the NFL if all the linemen were 220lbs and slow (compared to todays guys) like back in the 60's. We as a consuming public demand that our athletes are superhuman. We want 330lb monsters running amok on the field. We want 70 home runs a year. We want our sprinters bigger, faster, and stronger and anyone elses.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[myway]

lol why dont we send them all to you and you can make the clinical decision whether they need the medication or not.

lol. yea, me and jon hanging out with puddles...

 

[Jon79]

lol. yea, me and jon hanging out with puddles...

yea there would be a thread by puddle 10 min afer hanging out about how crazy we are lol.... awesome

 

[puddlemonkey]

Thank you for illustrating point #1

This illustrates all my other points.
Barry Bonds Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com

As I said his batting average is largly unchanged now his slugging percentage.....

Cheers,
Scotsman

He's said to have started roids around 2000. So lets look at his batting average pre-roids:

1995- .294
1996- .308
1997- .291
1998- .303
1999- .262


After roids:

2000- .306
2001- .328
2002- .370
2003- .341
2004- .362


You can clearly see he was a good player before roids, but great after!

 

[-SD-]

You would never know if someone really needs adderall because any swinging dick can walk into a docs office and list off symptoms of ADHD and get a script faster than you can say speed. There is no bloodtest to check for anything that indicates a medical need for something like adderall, its very subjective and currently all someone has to do is walk into a doc office and say they have the symptoms and then they get a script. So even if someone says they have a script you wont know if they really need it or not and are "cheating".

 

[puddlemonkey]

lol why dont we send them all to you and you can make the clinical decision whether they need the medication or not.

Sounds good to me. We all know I have the spare time for it.

 

[puddlemonkey]

lazy? you know nothing about me fucktard, but you claim to...

You're too easy lol

 

[Jon79]

But yet you had the patience to respond multiple times?


ADDERALL ABUSER!!!!!

i realized after 2 words it was not worth reading...

 

[Scotsman]

He's said to have started roids around 2000. So lets look at his batting average pre-roids:

1995- .294
1996- .308
1997- .291
1998- .303
1999- .262


After roids:

2000- .306
2001- .328
2002- .370
2003- .341
2004- .362


You can clearly see he was a good player before roids, but great after!

And of course different batting coaches, years of practice, the fact that eye-hand coordination gets better as you mature (to a point), and experience against pitchers in the leage have absolutely nothing to do with him improving his batting average. Only roids could possibly make someone hit better/more frequently. So any kid who wants a better batting average should get on cycle because that's really going to work.

You're being just as single minded as the media on the subject.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[puddlemonkey]

And of course different batting coaches, years of practice, the fact that eye-hand coordination gets better as you mature (to a point), and experience against pitchers in the leage have absolutely nothing to do with him improving his batting average. Only roids could possibly make someone hit better/more frequently. So any kid who wants a better batting average should get on cycle because that's really going to work.

You're being just as single minded as the media on the subject.

Cheers,
Scotsman

He was 39 when he hit .362 in 2004. Last I checked 39 wasn't exactly a player "prime". Most are out of the league or retired by then.

 

[Scotsman]

He's said to have started roids around 2000. So lets look at his batting average pre-roids:

1995- .294
1996- .308
1997- .291
1998- .303
1999- .262


After roids:

2000- .306
2001- .328
2002- .370
2003- .341
2004- .362


You can clearly see he was a good player before roids, but great after!

I see you conveniently left out '92-'94 where the numbers were .311, .336, and .312 respectively. And '05-'07 where the numbers were .286, .270, and .276.

Also hit 46 home runs in '93 which he only beat in two other seasons.

See I can truncate stats too.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[puddlemonkey]

I see you conveniently left out '92-'94 where the numbers were .311, .336, and .312 respectively. And '05-'07 where the numbers were .286, .270, and .276.

Also hit 46 home runs in '93 which he only beat in two other seasons.

See I can truncate stats too.

Cheers,
Scotsman

I went 5 years each way from the point of juicing. He was injury plagued from 05-07, only had 47 at bats in '05.

 

[jnevin]

that's a great compliment.

bwahahahahah

 

[ceo]

I just want to know why all these wonderful drugs weren't around when I was a kid struggling to pay attention to subjects I understood and got bored with all too quickly. The schools (even moreso now) are paced to go almost at the level of the slowest idiot in class, by the time the tests came around I had moved on to something else because I was so bored. I had to work at controlling this. I was a smart kid and always did well, but in 9th grade, school seemed to bore the fuck out of me most times. I ended up with a 2.8 that year. The next year I figured some things out and worked to control my ADHD (or maybe I embraced it, not sure) and I got a 3.8, and finished HS with a 3.5. I finished college with a 3.3 I think, and any post college courses I have taken have been all A's.

It's weird, when my brain is "on" it runs at a hundred miles an hour, but I can just as easily turn it "off" and go to sleep like a baby just minutes after lying down. I wasn't always like this though. I had to learn to do this. I had to learn how to control a lot of things.

I wonder what life would have been like (or would be like) for me if I had these drugs that EVERY KID (and a lot of adults) seems to need these days?

Do I feel cheated? Hell, that's too long ago to remember and no one else had the drugs back then either. But if they were available, and others started taking them and then started doing much better in school...I think I might want to take them too. And if I couldn't take them, then I might just feel cheated.

I hope my boy doesn't need them. And I hope he is a good student too.

 

[Scotsman]

I went 5 years each way from the point of juicing. He was injury plagued from 05-07, only had 47 at bats in '05.

I think if you look at the biggest factor it's what team he played for.

Liftime average with teams.
Pit .275
SFG .312

He only dipped under .300 six times as a giant three before 2000 and three seasons after.

And that's if in fact he only started in 2000 which is probably utter bullshit and he started much earlier.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[samoth]

You would never know if someone really needs adderall because any swinging dick can walk into a docs office and list off symptoms of ADHD and get a script faster than you can say speed. There is no bloodtest to check for anything that indicates a medical need for something like adderall, its very subjective and currently all someone has to do is walk into a doc office and say they have the symptoms and then they get a script. So even if someone says they have a script you wont know if they really need it or not and are "cheating".

This is largely untrue outside of university clinics and for non-students. Doctors are quite aware of abuse potential and drug seeking behavior, and they certainly won't risk their license in order to prescribe a few extra scripts of a profitable and heavily-marketed drug.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

This is largely untrue outside of university clinics and for non-students. Doctors are quite aware of abuse potential and drug seeking behavior, and they certainly won't risk their license in order to prescribe a few extra scripts of a profitable and heavily-marketed drug.

So does that imply that the universities and doctors are in on the scam and rationalize that giving normal functioning students amphetamines to increase test scores is an acceptable reason for prescribing adderall?

 

[puddlemonkey]

And that's if in fact he only started in 2000 which is probably utter bullshit and he started much earlier.

Cheers,
Scotsman

True. I can see a noticeable difference from 1998 to 2000 though, mostly upper body.


1998

2000

 

[Scotsman]

I just want to know why all these wonderful drugs weren't around when I was a kid struggling to pay attention to subjects I understood and got bored with all too quickly. The schools (even moreso now) are paced to go almost at the level of the slowest idiot in class, by the time the tests came around I had moved on to something else because I was so bored. I had to work at controlling this. I was a smart kid and always did well, but in 9th grade, school seemed to bore the fuck out of me most times. I ended up with a 2.8 that year. The next year I figured some things out and worked to control my ADHD (or maybe I embraced it, not sure) and I got a 3.8, and finished HS with a 3.5. I finished college with a 3.3 I think, and any post college courses I have taken have been all A's.

It's weird, when my brain is "on" it runs at a hundred miles an hour, but I can just as easily turn it "off" and go to sleep like a baby just minutes after lying down. I wasn't always like this though. I had to learn to do this. I had to learn how to control a lot of things.

I wonder what life would have been like (or would be like) for me if I had these drugs that EVERY KID (and a lot of adults) seems to need these days?

Do I feel cheated? Hell, that's too long ago to remember and no one else had the drugs back then either. But if they were available, and others started taking them and then started doing much better in school...I think I might want to take them too. And if I couldn't take them, then I might just feel cheated.

I hope my boy doesn't need them. And I hope he is a good student too.

There's a big difference in getting bored because something is too easy and not being able to focus. I got in a lot of trouble in school because I learned so much faster than everyone else. Then I would get bored while they were still doing the same material and entertain myself. Even in the gifted and talented program I was easily bored because once I get something I'm ready to move on to the next topic. I also multitask really well which is why I often do multiple things at the same time so I won't get bored with any one thing.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[Scotsman]

True. I can see a noticeable difference from 1998 to 2000 though, mostly upper body.


1998

2000

Of course he couldn't possibly have change his training, diet, etc.. There is only one possible answer right?

And again being bigger and stronger will do absolutely nothing to help you hit the ball more often. Point of fact without the proper practice and training it will hinder your ability to hit the ball.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[puddlemonkey]

Of course he couldn't possibly have change his training, diet, etc.. There is only one possible answer right?

lol that's just laughable and you know it. If that were the case Greg Anderson wouldn't be sitting in prison, and Barry Bonds would have more than just denied "knowingly" using steroids.

 

[Scotsman]

lol that's just laughable and you know it. If that were the case Greg Anderson wouldn't be sitting in prison, and Barry Bonds would have more than just denied "knowingly" using steroids.

Just as laughable as saying that steroids will make your batting average go up.

And I in no way am trying to say that he didn't take them. I just laugh that everyone thinks they are some fucking super drug that will suddenly make you into superman.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[samoth]

So does that imply that the universities and doctors are in on the scam and rationalize that giving normal functioning students amphetamines to increase test scores is an acceptable reason for prescribing adderall?

Scam? It's a legitimate pharmaceutical drug for an accepted medical condition. Arguing beyond that is something more for philosophical psychologists or something.

Adderall and its precursers (e.g., Ritalin) were historically marketed towards students, i.e., children, teenagers and young adults; the reasons for this are irrelevant. This "adult ADHD" is relatively new, and not uniformly opined within the medical or clinical fields. It's simply a matter of the drug staying within its original market, viz. students.

Once can argue that the target market itself has changed, not the target of the market. A few decades ago it was not accepted as normal for people to be enrolled in school FT through their 20s or into their early 30s; today, however, it is not uncommon for one to be in professional school (law, medicine, MBA, PhD, &c.) during years previously defined as "adult".

 

[puddlemonkey]

Just as laughable as saying that steroids will make your batting average go up.

Ok, back to square one. HGH helps with eye sight. Better eye sight will in turn help you see the ball better. Seeing the ball better will help you get better contact. Better contact on the ball will help you get more hits. More hits translates into a higher batting average.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Not a juicer!

Not a juicer!

Juicer!

 

[SouthernLord]

Not a juicer!

Not a juicer!

Juicer!

 

[puddlemonkey]

lol@his GH gut starting to show in the third pic and his hat size going from 7 1/2 to 9 3/4

 

[iggy]

Alright let me tell you guys my perspective.

Plenty of teachers always told me they thought i had ADHD.

i never really applied myself in high school.
kind of took it like a joke. I got a 29 on the ACT, which isn't perfect (36), but is above average (19).

I have never touched an amphetamine in my life. Did bad first semester of college and bounced back to do good.
now one of my best friends was never the smartest kid (18 ACT) and he went to college. Took adderall before every paper and test.
Snorted it a few times, even drank after taking it. He ended up getting a 3.8 while i got a 2.6.

As samoth put it when talking to me before, "life is a competition just like anything else". If this gives you the edge to make more money, and be happier, by all means go ahead. Just don't take it in access. The biggest, faster, stronger point argued puddles is excellent.

In america, we want to be the best at everything. At all costs and by all means. I'll admit i cheated a ton to get my gpa up in high school. only actually took about one or two tests. It also gave me more time to focus on sports and having fun.

The reason i will most likely never try adderall is i have an addictive personality. I would like it too much.

thats all i got....

 

[jackangel]

puds got his multi-pager.

 

[puddlemonkey]

puds got his multi-pager.

Damn str8! Suck on that poboy!!!

 

[Raptorex]

Is taking Viagra cheating?

 

[Raptorex]

I have AHDD.

 

[Raptorex]

Or is that DAHD

 

[Raptorex]

Do you think they named Adederall after ADD?

 

[Raptorex]

How did I ever get 36k quality posts like this?

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Scam? It's a legitimate pharmaceutical drug for an accepted medical condition. Arguing beyond that is something more for philosophical psychologists or something.

Adderall and its precursers (e.g., Ritalin) were historically marketed towards students, i.e., children, teenagers and young adults; the reasons for this are irrelevant. This "adult ADHD" is relatively new, and not uniformly opined within the medical or clinical fields. It's simply a matter of the drug staying within its original market, viz. students.

Once can argue that the target market itself has changed, not the target of the market. A few decades ago it was not accepted as normal for people to be enrolled in school FT through their 20s or into their early 30s; today, however, it is not uncommon for one to be in professional school (law, medicine, MBA, PhD, &c.) during years previously defined as "adult".

It's a scam. Why would a disease that allegedly weakens cognitive functioning appear more frequently in people who are in an environment that as a pre-requisite requires higher cognitive functioning than a non-scholastic environment? The tendency would be for non-scholastics to need the adderall to normalize their cognitive functioning. The reasons they target market toward students are entirely relevant. You can call it target marketing, but why would the company target market toward the market that as a pre-requisite has higher cognitive functioning? In your defense of the scam you are listing the players in the scam, not debunking the scam.

 

[ceo]

There's a big difference in getting bored because something is too easy and not being able to focus. I got in a lot of trouble in school because I learned so much faster than everyone else. Then I would get bored while they were still doing the same material and entertain myself. Even in the gifted and talented program I was easily bored because once I get something I'm ready to move on to the next topic. I also multitask really well which is why I often do multiple things at the same time so I won't get bored with any one thing.

Cheers,
Scotsman

Oh I could focus. The problem was (is) focusing on one thing at a time. I can't work without distractions. And I have a hard time tuning things out. I hear and see everything around me. I have used this to my advantage, but sometimes things distract me and I may lose track of something else I was doing for a while.

I'm still better than all of you though. And I did it without drugs!

 

[Scotsman]

Ok, back to square one. HGH helps with eye sight. Better eye sight will in turn help you see the ball better. Seeing the ball better will help you get better contact. Better contact on the ball will help you get more hits. More hits translates into a higher batting average.

Your utilization of circular logic is astounding. You say that something is so it must be because you say it is.

I guess Ron White summed it up best, "You can't fix stupid".

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[puddlemonkey]

Your utilization of circular logic is astounding. You say that something is so it must be because you say it is.

I guess Ron White summed it up best, "You can't fix stupid".

Cheers,
Scotsman

I'm at home now, we can play ring around the rosie when I'm at work tomorrow getting paid to post. Oh, btw, you walked right into my fat joke on the sibling thread. Thanks

 

[puddlemonkey]

Your utilization of circular logic is astounding. You say that something is so it must be because you say it is.

I learned this by watching BM.

 

[ortiz34]

you need adderall?