Assistance with design of (first) cycle

[thebigoz]

Hi All,

I've been training consistently for several years and have come to the realization that I have plateaued in several areas.

As a result, I am looking to do a cycle to help reach some personal goals.

I have been avidly researching AAS for quite some time, more or less in preparation for the point in time where I feel like that's my next step. I feel like I'm there now.

Background

I am 24 years old, 6" and 185lbs. Not sure on bf%, but it's not overly high (upper abs prominent, lower 'V' visible - I would guess around 10-12% - like I said, I'm not confident on an accurate measurement).

Training for 4+ years - in recent times (last 3-6 months) I have been doing less weight training and more aerobic exercise to increase my endurance and physical fitness. I am now increasing my anaerobic training again.

I have done non-AAS cutting cycles before (Clen, Alb, T3 etc) and experienced good results.


Goals

I would like to hit 190lbs lean. 6-8% body fat would be ideal. My primary goal is to gain lean, hard muscle and have a moderate increase in vascularity. I am not looking for huge gains in size.

Whatever gains I make, I want them to be as maintainable as possible.

For what it's worth - my main areas of interest in terms of development would be my lower chest and lats. (I have quality training routines - but I'm just wanting to be thorough in my info!)

To summarize - I'm primarily looking for a cutting cycle that has moderate, maintainable gains.


Current thoughts on approach

Given my goals and weighing in other factors, I think I would be best off with something with a minimal androgenic effect. I say this due to the fact that I'm not looking for really large gains.
From my research, I think I would be best off with a stack of :

• Equipoise / Test (Seems to be a favorite of many)
• Equipoise / Deca (Read a lot of interesting topics on this stack...)
• Equipoise / Winny (+- Deca?)

I understand the sides of these stacks, but would love some input from the educated members I see writing replies all over these forums.

To be honest, my only real concern with AAS is hair loss. Having said that, the only member of my family that had hair loss to my knowledge was one of my grandfathers. My father is 60 and has a full, thick head of hair, as do I.


In addition - would you consider adding anything else? I.e. T3 to add to the cutting? Would you even consider an anti-aromatizer necessary in those stacks, given then minimal androgenic effects?

Any advice/thoughts is greatly appreciated. If any additional info would help my discussion, please just ask!

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Just test for first cycle. Its all you need. With a solid PCT

 

[thebigoz]

Thanks!

To be honest, the simpler the better for my first cycle. So just Test may be the best option!

Do you think Test would be adequate in achieving that sort of bf% loss and lean muscle gain in a decent amount of time?

Any thoughts on length of cycle? (I was thinking 10-12 weeks).

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Thanks!

To be honest, the simpler the better for my first cycle. So just Test may be the best option!

Do you think Test would be adequate in achieving that sort of bf% loss and lean muscle gain in a decent amount of time?

Any thoughts on length of cycle? (I was thinking 10-12 weeks).

Biggest reason for a first time test only cycle is, your putting foreign chemicals in your body and you want to see how it reacts to it. If you run test and something, then your in week 7 or so and you start to get sides(whatever they may be) How will you know which AAS is causing it? For example EQ is a generaly well tolerated and popular AAS. Considered mild. BUT it really fucks some people up bad. You woulnt know if it was the test or the EQ doing it to you. If you did it on your second run after a test only cycle and got sides you could Just drop the EQ cause you know its not the test giving you anxiety or super high BP or whatever.

I wouldnt worry too much about hairloss with test either.

Nothing wrong with 10-12 weeks at all. As far as body fat and goals, its going to be 100% about diet and type of training. I wouldnt try to get cute and use sustanon or prop. Just get good old test E. Run it 2ml wk split mon/thurs, or sun/wed or whatever is good for you. 1ml 2 times a week to keep nice even blood levels. You usually find test E comes in 200mg/ml, 250mg/ml, or 300mg/ml, whichever you get just run 2 ml a week.
Make sure to have aromasin or a-dex on hand incase you get gyno symptoms. You "shouldnt" have issues with water as long as your diet is spot on. Again I say "shouldnt". So hopefully you can just save the AI and use a small amount of it for PCT.
Speaking of PCT, you really want to maintain what you gain right? So get your shit together with a good PCT. I myself am on day 7 of PCT. My first PCT using PP's test recovery stack and Unleashed and Post cycle and .25mg a-dex EOD. I put up a thread on day 5 that I didnt really notice much. Well sure enough this morning my nuts started growing and my dick gets hard when the wind blows. I noticed that "de sensitized" feeling I get when on AAS is gone too. I would suggest a small amount of HCG weekly during cycle also. I chose to leave it out and see what the new PCT did for me. Although its now working nicely I will not be leaving HCG out in the future for anything over 6-8 weeks.

 

[thebigoz]

Great input and logic.

Thank you for the advice!

 

[Extra_Strong]

Burnthiscorpse is right on..
Id go 500mg test E for 8-10 weeks.
good 1st time hrt. next time you can add in some eq.