Anyways, if for arguments sake lets say you are right- for the past year and a half ALL stanazolik & stanosus in Mexico was actually relabled t.suspension...Then shouldn't your complaint be against AUSTRALIA and not mexico since both of these products are EXPORTED from Australia to Mexico? Wouldn't Ilium and Jurox be the ones responsible for pulling this big switch-a-roo that you've suggested?

Anyways, your original post when broken down is nothing more than the typical "hey I used product 'X' and didn't gain shit so I think it's fake"...Nothing wrong with that and it's good to have an opinion, but when you try to pass off your opinion as fact, that's when you look like a moron.

Jurox doesn't EXIST anymore my friend. Production has stopped. They NO LONGER EXIST!
This is a FACT! Look it up yourself if you have the connections. I have talked to my RWR rep about it and I feel that I know what I am talking about. Jurox Mex products are FAKES. Simply becasue the company no longer produces steroids in Australia, period. So, you are trying to convince me that an Australian company decide to move to Mexico so they could make money? I'm not sure if that is believable. Why would they? If you side with that statement then you are doing exactly what I predicted in the original post, that guys would come forward and say that they are doing it to make money selling to US bodybuilders. So, if you can please clarify your postion on that for me? I'm just curious, I'm not trying to argue with you, I get REAL aussie stuff, don't care about mexico really. Why did Jurox move their operations to Mexico? A big legitimate drug company just pulled up and moved operations and employees to Mexico? Is this what happened? Let's see you will probably say that they sold their patents to a mexican company and now that company is a subsidiary of Jurox. Or that Jurox had a meeting and felt that company profits could be increased by moving to mexico. That would make sense since Jurox winny can be bought for around $20-30 in mexico but was sold in Australia for $60+ retail. I can see where they would make more money doing that.
I never said ALL mexican stuff was fake. I am just telling you what I know about Jurox and the experiences I have had or heard of with Illium winny. I never said you won't make ANY gains with Illium, especially if it is TS, how could you not make gains. Test Suspension powder is easy to get, so even if Illium doesn't sell a TS they could still produce it and relabel it winny. Or I guess I am totally lying or wrong here, Mexican pharmacies are SO TRUSTWORTY. Lets not go there, cause you are right no one has EVER gotten fake juice from Mexico.
Again, post your thoughts, I am not competing for the EF Board Presidency here, I could care less. I am just stating facts that I have seen or heard personally or through others, they are:

RWR is the only legit vet supplier left in Australia-prove me wrong.

Jurox no longer is in production in Australia, which makes this Mex "Jurox" QUESTIONABLE! I REPEAT, QUESTIONABLE! Not claiming 100% fake but you can't claim 100% legit-prove me wrong.

Illium stanazolic has been questionable also as to whether or not it is real stanozolol or TS-you can't prove it is real anymore than I can prove it is fake.

Which is again why I posted, just to discuss the mex winny wave and how supposedly "great" mex winny is, whatever.
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Originally posted by t_jillich:
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Jurox doesn't EXIST anymore my friend. Production has stopped. They NO LONGER EXIST!
This is a FACT! Look it up yourself if you have the connections. I have talked to my RWR rep about it and I feel that I know what I am talking about. Jurox Mex products are FAKES. Simply becasue the company no longer produces steroids in Australia, period.

====Jurox may have stopped production of their veterinary steroids but that does not mean they still aren't available. Do you think just because a company stops production then all of the sudden any product they have produced up to that point vanishes? Example: There is a certain Ketamine manufacturer in Mexico who stopped producing K a while ago because of the impending mex regulations on this drug. So at this very moment this company no longer makes K but it is widely available in Mexico. Why? Because the company produced 1-2 million vials EXTRA of K before they stopped production, meaning their K will be available in Mexico for the next year and a half just relying on reserve stock. People still claim they can find real Negma Parabolan- and this has been out of production for years. What about Spanish Primobolan? Schering stopped production a few years ago (but later resumed), but you could easily find real spanish primo on the black market. Btw the Jurox products available in Mexico now are the exact same ones that were available 1 year ago BEFORE Jurox stopped producing steroids, and they come from the same distributor in Australia.

So, you are trying to convince me that an Australian company decide to move to Mexico so they could make money? I'm not sure if that is believable. Why would they? If you side with that statement then you are doing exactly what I predicted in the original post, that guys would come forward and say that they are doing it to make money selling to US bodybuilders. So, if you can please clarify your postion on that for me?

=====I can only speak in reference to Jurox and not this new "Anabolic" company in Mexico because I don't know anything about them. Bottom line for pharmaceutical companies is $$$, and to make more money they need better distribution, idealy to a place with very loose regulations like Mexico. That's why Ilium worked with Denkall (a Mexico import company) to get their Stanazolik and denkadiol into Mexico...That's why Fort Dodge began exporting their Ketamine and Equipoise to Mexico and even setup a Fort Dodge plant in Mexico...That's why British Dispensary had one of their distributors pay off mexican customs enabling them to smuggle thousands of tubs of anabol into mexico....Bottom line is money, so yes, I know for a fact a company in a country with very strict pharmaceutical regulations would be willing to setup shop in a place like Mexico if they thought it would be financially beneficial for them. Look at Jurox, 2 years ago they offered to sell the entire veterinary steroid division of their company to a distributor of theirs, Dr. Don Kelly for a measely $1,000,000 US dollars. This included full domestic and international distribution, product development, you name it. Guess what Dr. Kelly was going to do with the company if he would've purchased it? He was going to stop all distribution of steroids in Australia and JUST concentrate on exporting veterinary steroids to Mexico. Don't fool yourself, this is big business like you wouldn't understand and morals play no part in the decisions that are made.

I'm just curious, I'm not trying to argue with you, I get REAL aussie stuff, don't care about mexico really.

===== I understand and I'm not trying to argue with you...I also get REAL aussie stuff, it just happens to be dropped off for me in Mexico.

Why did Jurox move their operations to Mexico? A big legitimate drug company just pulled up and moved operations and employees to Mexico? Is this what happened? Let's see you will probably say that they sold their patents to a mexican company and now that company is a subsidiary of Jurox. Or that Jurox had a meeting and felt that company profits could be increased by moving to mexico. That would make sense since Jurox winny can be bought for around $20-30 in mexico but was sold in Australia for $60+ retail. I can see where they would make more money doing that.

====== You don't know much about pharmaceutical companies. Jurox is divided into separate parts, each part having its own duty and being responsible for the development of certain products. So an entire company doesn't need to setup shop in a different country for them to still have their products(steroids) available in that country...all they would have to do sell the rights to let's say the "anabolic steroid" division of Jurox and whomever purchases it can do with it what they please (within legal means). Which is what I believe Jurox did. Like I said, Jurox has had the entire steroid division of their company up for sale for 2 years, it's not too far fetched of an idea to think a mexican doctor working with an australian exporter purchased the rights to jurox's steroid division.

I never said ALL mexican stuff was fake. I am just telling you what I know about Jurox and the experiences I have had or heard of with Illium winny. I never said you won't make ANY gains with Illium, especially if it is TS, how could you not make gains. Test Suspension powder is easy to get, so even if Illium doesn't sell a TS they could still produce it and relabel it winny. Or I guess I am totally lying or wrong here, Mexican pharmacies are SO TRUSTWORTY. Lets not go there, cause you are right no one has EVER gotten fake juice from Mexico.

======I don't really know what you're talking about here because I'm not into these big "conspiracy theories" and that's exactly what you're eluding too. Before Ilium can export Stanazolik to mexico it has to be tested by the Mexican Ministry of Health, and if it doesn't test @ +/- 10-15% of label claims then it's not allowed in...So I seriously doubt the mex gov't would allow in suspension relabled as stanazolol...Anyways, do you really think Suspension is that much cheaper than Stanazolol...Probably a difference of pennies. Again, I do not adhere to these conspiracy theories.

Again, post your thoughts, I am not competing for the EF Board Presidency here, I could care less. I am just stating facts that I have seen or heard personally or through others, they are: RWR is the only legit vet supplier left in Australia-prove me wrong.
Jurox no longer is in production in Australia, which makes this Mex "Jurox" QUESTIONABLE! I REPEAT, QUESTIONABLE! Not claiming 100% fake but you can't claim 100% legit-prove me wrong. Illium stanazolic has been questionable also as to whether or not it is real stanozolol or TS-you can't prove it is real anymore than I can prove it is fake. Which is again why I posted, just to discuss the mex winny wave and how supposedly "great" mex winny is, whatever.
E mail me directly([email protected])and thanks for your thoughts.

===== Honestly, you're the only person whom I've ever heard claim the stanazolol available in Mexico was suspension...And I know MANY people who've used both jurox stanosus and jurox testosus and none have felt they were the same product... I mean, common sense will tell you that the side effects associated with stanazolol are not even remotely similar to those of test suspension...and there are enough experienced users who would be able to tell the difference between the two in one week- yet after almost 2 years of availability you are the first to question the ingredients of stanazolik? Again, I am not saying every product south of the border is real, but I will say that there is definately real stanosus still available in mexico, and that Ilium is not filling their stanazolik vials with test suspension.

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SO that would be 700mg a week, right?

If it were suspension I would have blown up.

Instead I got vascular and hard...

Oh and I bought it in tijuana.

Suspension? I think not.

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