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KHMER ROGUE
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Define "handicapped/disabled", please.
KHMER ROGUE
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Well, then in that case, I'm trying to get to the point of your original statement. Do you want the society to be able to make things easier for the disabled people, allowing them to fully function in everyday life such as them?
Is that what you're trying to say?
What about blind or deaf people too? Aren't they "handicapped" too in the view of our government?
Is that what you're trying to say?
What about blind or deaf people too? Aren't they "handicapped" too in the view of our government?
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Warik
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Treat them as equals.
The last thing I'd want as a handicapped person is the right to park closer to the store than everyone else. First come first served. Fuck that. I'd park at the end of the lot out of principle.
Next is to end special consideration in terms of employment. If a disabled person applies for a job for which he is not qualified, then the employer should not be under any fear of a lawsuit if he chooses not to hire him.
The only way to integrate a particular kind of person into society is to treat them just like any other member of the society.
This explains why almost everyone in our society today has yet to be fully integrated.
-Warik
The last thing I'd want as a handicapped person is the right to park closer to the store than everyone else. First come first served. Fuck that. I'd park at the end of the lot out of principle.
Next is to end special consideration in terms of employment. If a disabled person applies for a job for which he is not qualified, then the employer should not be under any fear of a lawsuit if he chooses not to hire him.
The only way to integrate a particular kind of person into society is to treat them just like any other member of the society.
This explains why almost everyone in our society today has yet to be fully integrated.
-Warik
KHMER ROGUE
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Okay, then do you consider the ADA (American with Disabilities Act) to be a special privilege and they don't want that kind of pity to gain equality?
How can you really try to fully integrate handicapped/disabled people into the society without any aid?
Just trying to exercise your brain.
Oh, boy. I have to hit the sack. I have to get up in few hours. I will gladly to follow up on this discussion later if you want me to.
How can you really try to fully integrate handicapped/disabled people into the society without any aid?
Just trying to exercise your brain.
Oh, boy. I have to hit the sack. I have to get up in few hours. I will gladly to follow up on this discussion later if you want me to.
KHMER ROGUE
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Warik, that isn't always the case. Everything is not black and white, LOL.
First, I need sleep, sleep.
First, I need sleep, sleep.
I would not take away their right to closer parking. That seems ridiculous.
Just treat them equally and have handicapped access in all places. My stepsister is handicapped and I can tell you what a BITCH it is to try and get around a place that is not equipped when I'm out with her. That is not right.
Just treat them equally and have handicapped access in all places. My stepsister is handicapped and I can tell you what a BITCH it is to try and get around a place that is not equipped when I'm out with her. That is not right.
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Warik
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starfish said:
starfish said:
That makes absolutely no sense.
-Warik
Besides you guys should be happy about handicapped parking. The next time I take my stepsister out, I'll park in regular parking and just dent the hell out of your door because there is no room to take out her wheel chair ramp. She can wheel her chair for great distances, she is doing you a favor.
Handicapped parking is MUCH MORE than just being close.
Handicapped parking is MUCH MORE than just being close.
Lao Tzu
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shit. I remeber reading somewhere (this was a while ago, i could be wrong) that blind people had an 80% unemployment rate. i have no idea what the rates are for wheelchair bound people.
If you want to integrate them, you'd have to look at their disability and what it prevents them from doing. Then find a way to compensate or avoid professions or acts that require that ability. Easier said than done, but it can be done with work & social lifestyles.
I don't know how that goes as far as a thesis statement. how about this for a thesis
'the main reason disabled people are treated differently is because they lack the skills necessary to survive in our fast paced world which requires all the senses. By helping disabled people renew their senses they will no longer live as outcasts'.
However, if you do that, then the person isn't technically disabled anymore. Tehy are working on computer chips which bypass the optic nerves to help blind people see. If a blind person gets one, and goes from being unemployed and anti-social to being a taxi driver and socialable, is he still disabled as what made him disabled (not being able to see) no longer exists? i don't know.
Basically, i don't see how i can be done effectively. Either change the individual or change society. the individual is easier to change (make more physically competent).
I guess you could set up towns consisting largely of disabled people. that way everything would be set up for them.
failing that
try to find a way to create/find jobs that don't require the abilities handicapped people lack.
If you want to integrate them, you'd have to look at their disability and what it prevents them from doing. Then find a way to compensate or avoid professions or acts that require that ability. Easier said than done, but it can be done with work & social lifestyles.
I don't know how that goes as far as a thesis statement. how about this for a thesis
'the main reason disabled people are treated differently is because they lack the skills necessary to survive in our fast paced world which requires all the senses. By helping disabled people renew their senses they will no longer live as outcasts'.
However, if you do that, then the person isn't technically disabled anymore. Tehy are working on computer chips which bypass the optic nerves to help blind people see. If a blind person gets one, and goes from being unemployed and anti-social to being a taxi driver and socialable, is he still disabled as what made him disabled (not being able to see) no longer exists? i don't know.
Basically, i don't see how i can be done effectively. Either change the individual or change society. the individual is easier to change (make more physically competent).
I guess you could set up towns consisting largely of disabled people. that way everything would be set up for them.
failing that
try to find a way to create/find jobs that don't require the abilities handicapped people lack.
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KHMER ROGUE
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Nice, Darktooth. Where the hell did you pull that out from, www.cheattermpapers.com? Heh. Your thesis sounds fine but we already have ADA set up for that. If it's about raising public awareness on how to work or cope with their disabilities, then you're dead on.
Warik, "First come, First served?" So, you don't have any compassion for those who are in wheelchairs or unable to walk 50 feet to the store without being in pain? I see, it's all about you, right? Yeah, screw them. After all, they're nothing compared to you, the "able-bodied" person. How I love that term.
As for special consideration toward employment, ADA covers all of the specific details for that. Yes, I agree disabled people should be judged by their merits, not expecting some sympathy from the employers.
Here's an excerpt from ADA website.
MYTH: The ADA forces business and government to spend lots of
money hiring unqualified people.
FACT: No unqualified job applicant or employee with a disability
can claim employment discrimination under the ADA. Employees
must meet all the requirements of the job and perform the
essential functions of the job with or without reasonable
accommodation. No accommodation must be provided if it would result in an undue hardship on the employer.
That's it.
Warik, "First come, First served?" So, you don't have any compassion for those who are in wheelchairs or unable to walk 50 feet to the store without being in pain? I see, it's all about you, right? Yeah, screw them. After all, they're nothing compared to you, the "able-bodied" person. How I love that term.
As for special consideration toward employment, ADA covers all of the specific details for that. Yes, I agree disabled people should be judged by their merits, not expecting some sympathy from the employers.
Here's an excerpt from ADA website.
MYTH: The ADA forces business and government to spend lots of
money hiring unqualified people.
FACT: No unqualified job applicant or employee with a disability
can claim employment discrimination under the ADA. Employees
must meet all the requirements of the job and perform the
essential functions of the job with or without reasonable
accommodation. No accommodation must be provided if it would result in an undue hardship on the employer.
That's it.
CanadianCripple
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starfish said:
Yes, that is the exact reason for the larger parking spots. It does piss me off when I see some guy get out of his (disabled parking permitted) car with a cane & walk with a slight limp.
Oh Darktooth, start off by not using the word 'crippled'.
I'd suggest help with education grants... keep in mind it's much harder for a physically disabled person to work their way through university. There's not much room behind a Burger King counter for an electric wheelchair. BTW, did you know one of those costs about $10,000 - $15,000? Even a manual chair run $3000+ .
HappyScrappy
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have more pornos with them in starring roles.
HappyScrappy
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WODIN said:
people that have bionic prosthetics make a cool sound when the jump, and everything goes all slow motion.
KHMER ROGUE
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Sounds like most of people here speak about "disabled" people as if they were from another planet or third-world countries. Interesting.
For your information, "handicapped" or "disabled" whatever the hell you want to call it, can excel at anything they want to. It's funny how the Society places the stigma upon them and considers them as completely "disabled" on the basis of their physical disabilities.
Two words.
Stephen Hawking.
For your information, "handicapped" or "disabled" whatever the hell you want to call it, can excel at anything they want to. It's funny how the Society places the stigma upon them and considers them as completely "disabled" on the basis of their physical disabilities.
Two words.
Stephen Hawking.
KHMER ROGUE
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hardrock said:
Why is it funny? I'm curious. It's funny how a person with cerebral palsy drools without any self-control? It's funny to see a mentally retarded walk around and forgot what to do? It's funny to see a blind person to ask for directions? Yeah, you're right. It's fun to laugh at them.
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Warik
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KHMER ROGUE said:
Oh, you mean the same Stephen Hawking who was upset that his large picture was placed on the cover of one of his books because he thought it would make people look at the book out of pity rather than out of interest? Doesn't sound like someone who wants to be treated any differently.
Look at blind people who walk around with seeing eye dogs or canes. You think they have any interest in being helped along by people? They want to do it themselves.
What about deaf people? I saw a special on the news a few years ago about a group of deaf people who are actually mad that they are getting special consideration. They were upset because they said they were not disabled people who couldn't get along by themselves.
Don't you see? Providing someone with special consideration is the worst way to insult him.
-Warik
CanadianCripple
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Depends on what you mean by special consideration. Hiring the on basis of any minority status is wrong (in my mind). Having elevators, ramps, etc... which would allow a disabled person to at least get in the door for an interview shouldn't be considered special.
Too bad more of you don't realize how easy it is to find yourself in a wheelchair. Funny too, because stats show it's people like the members of this board who are most likely end up with a spinal cord injury... young, male and active.
Too bad more of you don't realize how easy it is to find yourself in a wheelchair. Funny too, because stats show it's people like the members of this board who are most likely end up with a spinal cord injury... young, male and active.
HappyScrappy
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in my office, in the bathroom, we have a handicapped stall.
but this office is on the 2nd floor of this building, and there are no ramps nor elevators to get to this floor.
so I just go in there and put up a little tent and have naps and cook s'mores.
seems like the proper way to go.
but this office is on the 2nd floor of this building, and there are no ramps nor elevators to get to this floor.
so I just go in there and put up a little tent and have naps and cook s'mores.
seems like the proper way to go.
It's all about giving them access, not an advantage. We tried an experiment in college where we would take turns trying to get around an obstacle course that was made up of every day things that we take for granted. Steps, narrow corridors, and the like, only in a wheelchair or with a blindfold on. You learn very fast how many things we take for granted, that others struggle at, just to live their day to day lives.
HappyScrappy
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big4life said:
I've learned to appreciate what we have and not take things for granted via heavy drinking.
when you can't walk straight, piss yourself easily, go blind on one side, can't feel the other side of your body, can't talk without drooling and slurring, and fall alot - then you come to truly appreciate those times when you are normal.
The Ranger
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Both my parents are disabled and I work part time at a well known rehab facility where skills are taught to anyone, no matter how bad the disability may be...
I, myself have been deemed"limited" due to injuries, but never accepted that as a cop-out....
Most people with a handicap want to contribute to society...anyway they can. I have seen people with sever disabilities have small jobs we would take for granted, yet they think it's the greatest thing in their life, simply because for once they feel normal...doing somethinbg worthwhile....
As for the ADA, it is a great law, but little consideration is given to it, and not alot of lawyers around who specialize in that particular field....and all it really boils down to is the employer must make an attempt, at no great cost to the company to train or make the job more accessible to benefit the handicap....How often does this happen...not very....
This is a very hard paper to write, unless you speak with several handicap persons directly...I wish you the best of luck with it my man....
Ranger
I, myself have been deemed"limited" due to injuries, but never accepted that as a cop-out....
Most people with a handicap want to contribute to society...anyway they can. I have seen people with sever disabilities have small jobs we would take for granted, yet they think it's the greatest thing in their life, simply because for once they feel normal...doing somethinbg worthwhile....
As for the ADA, it is a great law, but little consideration is given to it, and not alot of lawyers around who specialize in that particular field....and all it really boils down to is the employer must make an attempt, at no great cost to the company to train or make the job more accessible to benefit the handicap....How often does this happen...not very....
This is a very hard paper to write, unless you speak with several handicap persons directly...I wish you the best of luck with it my man....
Ranger
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