Your Cycle - Hypothetically speaking.....

[JKurz1]

Karma to All:

Let's say you were pretty new to the AAS game, but trained hard and heavy for awhile and had a diet that was on point. You were about to do your 2nd real cycle. Knowing what you know now, keeping it within your budget, and looking to gain your true first solid 25lbs for 12 weeks, do pct, rest then a nice cutter which would you do, how much and how long?

BULK
TEST, CYP, ENTH, SUSP, SUST. T400, OR PROP - DECA IS ALSO AN OPTION

FRONT LOAD - DBOL OR PROP

EXTRA (not manadatory) EQ, T3, CLEN


CUT
PROP
T3
WINNY
CLEN


PCT
HCG,NOLV, ARID., CLOMID, CLEN,

Build you 12 week bulker and 6 week cutter.........I think this will help out many who feel that they need a gram+ to grow............thanks!

 

[Its All Genetics]

my next cycle is going to be eactly what your saying only im not going to do the cutting at the end cause i still wanna get bigger

a-bombs-100mgs ed 1-3
test e -500mgs ew 1-12
deca-400mgs ew 1-12

pct-clomid 300mgs day one
100mgs for 2 weeks
50 mgs for 2 weeks

run nolva at 5-10 mgs through out the entire cycle then up it to 30 mgs ed for pct.


im going to be starting this on october first and i wanna gain 25 and keep 20

 

[BIGJAKE]

Test-E 500mg 1-12
D-blol 35mg daily 1-6
Deca- 400mg 1-10

Test-E 500mg 1-12
Tren 100mg daily 1-8
Winny 100mg daily 8-14

 

[sweed]

next (2nd) cycle is gonna be my bulker
test e- 500 1-12
deca- 400 1-12
dbol- 50 1-4

then my cutting cycle is going to be
test e ( switching to prop or susp 4 weeks out from comp) 500 1-15
eq- 400 1-15
tren- 75 11-16
winny 50 11-16
a little longer than 6 weeks, lol

 

[JKurz1]

thanks fella..any anti-es???

ANyone else?

How about using long lasting tren at a small dose cutting or bulking?? Like 200mg/week?

Also, how bout the clen/t3 mix?

 

[Makavelli]

Karma to All:

Let's say you were pretty new to the AAS game, but trained hard and heavy for awhile and had a diet that was on point. You were about to do your 2nd real cycle. Knowing what you know now, keeping it within your budget, and looking to gain your true first solid 25lbs for 12 weeks, do pct, rest then a nice cutter which would you do, how much and how long?

BULK
TEST, CYP, ENTH, SUSP, SUST. T400, OR PROP - DECA IS ALSO AN OPTION

FRONT LOAD - DBOL OR PROP

EXTRA (not manadatory) EQ, T3, CLEN


CUT
PROP
T3
WINNY
CLEN


PCT
HCG,NOLV, ARID., CLOMID, CLEN,

Build you 12 week bulker and 6 week cutter.........I think this will help out many who feel that they need a gram+ to grow............thanks!

This last sentence fucked it up for me. If you're looking to gain a little and very slowly then you can use low dosages. However if you're looking to gain enough that you look like you use AAS, then you're going to have to use higher dosages. I don't know where all these people get their info that going over a G a week and you'll die...

 

[JKurz1]

Ok.....tell me what you think of this

WK 1-4 EITHER DBOL AT 25MG OR PROP AT 100MG EOD
WK 1-12 TEST E AT 500MG
WK 1-12 EQ AT 400MG
WK 8-12 WINNY 50MG EOD

10MG NOLV. THROUGHOUT
CLOMID AND HCG FOR PCT
DO I need armidex?


CUT -
T3/CLEN 16 WEEKER (BAD IDEA?)

 

[CENTURION44]

Ok.....tell me what you think of this

WK 1-4 EITHER DBOL AT 25MG OR PROP AT 100MG EOD
WK 1-12 TEST E AT 500MG
WK 1-12 EQ AT 400MG
WK 8-12 WINNY 50MG EOD

10MG NOLV. THROUGHOUT
CLOMID AND HCG FOR PCT
DO I need armidex?


CUT -
T3/CLEN 16 WEEKER (BAD IDEA?)

Looks great but I prefer prop over Test E...and the EQ at 600mg minimum

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

Ok.....tell me what you think of this

WK 1-4 EITHER DBOL AT 25MG OR PROP AT 100MG EOD
WK 1-12 TEST E AT 500MG
WK 1-12 EQ AT 400MG
WK 8-12 WINNY 50MG EOD

10MG NOLV. THROUGHOUT
CLOMID AND HCG FOR PCT
DO I need armidex?


CUT -
T3/CLEN 16 WEEKER (BAD IDEA?)

I like this one - esp to gain the 25 you are looking for, the EQ will help you eat.


Bluesman

 

[Makavelli]

Ok.....tell me what you think of this

WK 1-4 EITHER DBOL AT 25MG OR PROP AT 100MG EOD
WK 1-12 TEST E AT 500MG
WK 1-12 EQ AT 400MG
WK 8-12 WINNY 50MG EOD

10MG NOLV. THROUGHOUT
CLOMID AND HCG FOR PCT
DO I need armidex?


CUT -
T3/CLEN 16 WEEKER (BAD IDEA?)

Looks good. I would use 50 mgs/day of the D-Bol and increase the EQ to 600 mgs.

 

[JKurz1]

THanks bros............2 questions...........T3 and clen to cut stupid??? Will it fuck me up? Should I go winny/Prop to cut down the line and toss in the clen during my bulking?

Do I need Armid? Bloat?

oh and would a mild dose of tren during cutting be dumb? I have 10cc of the tren enth, thinking about 200mg a week.............

 

[ziggyziggy]

My first cycle using injectibles is going to be as follows:

Week 1-8: Test Prop 100 mg EOD
Week 1-8: NPP 100 mg EOD
Week 1-8: Proviron 50 mg ED
Week 1-4: D-bol 25 mg ED
Week 1-8: Dostinex @ 0.5 mg E4D

PCT using Jenetic's protocol number 1

Using short Esters so that I can lower dosages if I have sides.


I did a 4 week cycle of T-bol @ 40 mg ED, and was very satisfied with the results.

Zig

 

[tzan]

If your goal is to gain 25lbs off of a bulker, make sure you give yourself ample time after the cycle before running a cutter. Otherwise, your going to lose your gains from the bulker. I personally like to run just 2 cycle per year. One with a cutting diet and one with a bulking diet. Since I keep my diet strict and clean, I don't gain 25lbs from the bulker, but it makes it a lot easier for me to cut when my bf is starting at 12% instead of 15%+.

 

[ruggermu]

Bulk-
45/day dbol 1-4
500/week sust 1-12
400/week deca 1-11
Fem 1.25 throughout
dost .5 e4d
Pct-
HCG 13-15
nolv 13-18

Cutter-
500/week Sust 1-10
100/day var 1-6
80/day fina 4-11
T3 pyramid 2-7
clen 1-2,5-6,9-10,13-14
fem 1.25 throughout
dost .5 e4d
Pct- same as above

 

[Outtlaw]

What would I do?

Bulk: test/deca
Cut: tren/winny

 

[JKurz1]

Good stuff - thanks. I think, since I've been off for years, I'm going to go with

WK 1-4 EITHER DBOL AT 25MG
WK 1-12 TEST E AT 500MG
WK 1-12 EQ AT 400MG
WK 8-12 WINNY 50MG EOD
10MG NOLV. THROUGHOUT
CLOMID AND HCG FOR PCT

Not sure about cutter............how about clen and prop down the line with 200mg of Tren enth/week for 1-5?

CUT -
T3/CLEN 16 WEEKER (BAD IDEA?)

 

[Makavelli]

Good stuff - thanks. I think, since I've been off for years, I'm going to go with

WK 1-4 EITHER DBOL AT 25MG
WK 1-12 TEST E AT 500MG
WK 1-12 EQ AT 400MG
WK 8-12 WINNY 50MG EOD
10MG NOLV. THROUGHOUT
CLOMID AND HCG FOR PCT

Not sure about cutter............how about clen and prop down the line with 200mg of Tren enth/week for 1-5?

CUT -
T3/CLEN 16 WEEKER (BAD IDEA?)

You need more AAS when dieting than when bulking. Your body is in an extremely catabolic state while dieting. In order to preserve your muscle you should use more than when you bulk.

 

[JKurz1]

Prop, tren clen and t3 or no t3 and eca stack?

 

[Makavelli]

Prop, tren clen and t3 or no t3 and eca stack?

Prop, tren, clen, and T3 will work very well. Just make sure that you run enough Prop and tren.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

Good stuff - thanks. I think, since I've been off for years, I'm going to go with

WK 1-4 EITHER DBOL AT 25MG
WK 1-12 TEST E AT 500MG
WK 1-12 EQ AT 400MG
WK 8-12 WINNY 50MG EOD
10MG NOLV. THROUGHOUT
CLOMID AND HCG FOR PCT

Not sure about cutter............how about clen and prop down the line with 200mg of Tren enth/week for 1-5?

CUT -
T3/CLEN 16 WEEKER (BAD IDEA?)

dbol should be upped to at least 35-40mg
EQ at least upped to 600mg, frontload it if you have enough, 400mg you won't know it's there.
Winny should be taken ed, so 50mg ed not eod. And I wouldn't take nolva unless I had to during the cycle.
I agree with makaveli when he said that going over a G a week will not kill you lol...I just think unless you upped your doses you're going to be disappointed after 12 weeks

 

[borg4902]

THanks bros............2 questions...........T3 and clen to cut stupid??? Will it fuck me up? Should I go winny/Prop to cut down the line and toss in the clen during my bulking?

Do I need Armid? Bloat?

oh and would a mild dose of tren during cutting be dumb? I have 10cc of the tren enth, thinking about 200mg a week.............

T3 and clen are purely fat burners, where as prop and winstropl really have no projected fat burning properties. Put all four together. T3 should never be ran for more than 6 weeks clen for 2 weeks. Id ramp the T3 up by 1 pill every 4 days maxing at 100mcg then ramp back dow the same way. As far as the clen goes run it 2wks on 2wks off. ECA stack can be used on the off weeks between. As ripped as you are right now you shouldnt even need the T3 if your bulker dosent go balls out diet wise.

 

[Makavelli]

T3 and clen are purely fat burners, where as prop and winstropl really have no projected fat burning properties. Put all four together. T3 should never be ran for more than 6 weeks clen for 2 weeks. Id ramp the T3 up by 1 pill every 4 days maxing at 100mcg then ramp back dow the same way. As far as the clen goes run it 2wks on 2wks off. ECA stack can be used on the off weeks between. As ripped as you are right now you shouldnt even need the T3 if your bulker dosent go balls out diet wise.

Why shouldn't T3 be ran for more than 6 weeks?

 

[JKurz1]

didnt you run clen with your bulking cycleq????

 

[borg4902]

didnt you run clen with your bulking cycleq????

Who me? Hell I ran clen year round and thats why it dosent work woth a shit for me anymore. Hence why id save it for the cutter, but its your dollar J. Mack thats just what ive read, it apparently has the potential for causing your thyroid to depend on it the longer you go the more likely you will F your natural metabolism up when stopping.