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Yes..Ronnie Coleman is smaller...and his title should be in quesiton

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Mr. Olympia should be someone who represents every aspect of the body perfectly(in a bodybuilding sense). I mean symmetry, mass, condition,dryness,sweeps,etc. Ronnie is the biggest(Markus isn't..he's soo filled w/synthol it's rediculous). Ronnie is among the best in being conditioned. He is very dry in every area..but seems when it comes to competition..his abs smooth over. I feel Ronnies massive waist...and shorter upper body don't give him the complete package. I feel dexter should be Mr. Olympia. He could have taken the title easily w/in the past 3 years. He does have a longer torso..but i feel it doesn't take away from his physique. Let me know what you guys think. And don't get me started on Jay"the softest back in the sport" Cutler. Cormier Or Wheeler could have taken the title if their condition would have been perfect. Especially Wheeler(Obviously-the idiot took his PERFECT genetics for granted)
 
i agree. where as ronnie is huge, he's not symmetrical at all. i agree about dexter. and i think flex should have had an O title at some point. he couldn't stick w/ bodybuilding cuz his health was soooo bad. thats why he's so small now.
 
Uh....Ronnie not symmetrical? Have you guys ever seen a bodybuilding show? Symmetry doesn't mean that you're small and tight like Dexter. Symmetry is how well your body parts fit together. Are your arms about the same size, left to right matching, any bodyparts overwhelming others. That's symmetry and proportion. If Ronnie had his legs and Dexter's upper body he would look stupid as hell... :rolleyes:
 
i have to say if you look at the muscle and fitness feb 2005 it has all of the posing, dexter is far and away the best built and symmetrical. his abs are perfect, ronnies abs are not shaped correctly.
 
bruce410 said:
i have to say if you look at the muscle and fitness feb 2005 it has all of the posing, dexter is far and away the best built and symmetrical. his abs are perfect, ronnies abs are not shaped correctly.

Thank God BB shows are not Ambercrombie and Fitch model searches, about who has the best abs. I think Dexter has a great physique. I'm just trying to explain how the judges arrive at their decisions. From the comments stated above, these guys obviously don't understand that BB is assessing the entire physique. Not one or two bodyparts. Of course Dexter has better abs than Ronnie. But Ronnie has a better everything else. So you're saying that one bodypart should negate the rest of a person's physique? :worried: Sorry ain't gonna happen...
 
Makavelli said:
Uh....Ronnie not symmetrical? Have you guys ever seen a bodybuilding show? Symmetry doesn't mean that you're small and tight like Dexter. Symmetry is how well your body parts fit together. Are your arms about the same size, left to right matching, any bodyparts overwhelming others. That's symmetry and proportion. If Ronnie had his legs and Dexter's upper body he would look stupid as hell... :rolleyes:


I agree
 
Ronnie is the rightful King. A change should come about b/c someone takes it from him, not through a re-evaluation of what constitutes the best. It seems like noone can beat him at the current game, so they want to change the game itself to suit someone else. Not a good move and will never actually happen. There will eventually be a new freak, bigger and better. Thats how it goes, and I for one am glad.
 
Makavelli said:
Thank God BB shows are not Ambercrombie and Fitch model searches, about who has the best abs. I think Dexter has a great physique. I'm just trying to explain how the judges arrive at their decisions. From the comments stated above, these guys obviously don't understand that BB is assessing the entire physique. Not one or two bodyparts. Of course Dexter has better abs than Ronnie. But Ronnie has a better everything else. So you're saying that one bodypart should negate the rest of a person's physique? :worried: Sorry ain't gonna happen...
makaveli, all i am saying is to the eye Ronnie doesn't look like his body is perfect, his abs are very strangely shaped, and i agree that mr. olympia should be a perfect example of muscular body, for example arnold, i feel like dexter is more like arnold, not just his abs but he looks perfect. he would be the biggest damn AF model ever(Dexter). I think Ronnie looks dumb, infact i think there are several body builders who look better. not looking to argue with you cause i am not a body builder and you are. just explaining myself
 
GhettoStudMuffin said:
Um, I think bodybuilding switched from truly assesing the physique to a mass monster game a long time ago.


argue all you want about who has the best body, but I don't think anyone
can argue with this statement.
 
bruce410 said:
makaveli, all i am saying is to the eye Ronnie doesn't look like his body is perfect, his abs are very strangely shaped, and i agree that mr. olympia should be a perfect example of muscular body, for example arnold, i feel like dexter is more like arnold, not just his abs but he looks perfect. he would be the biggest damn AF model ever(Dexter). I think Ronnie looks dumb, infact i think there are several body builders who look better. not looking to argue with you cause i am not a body builder and you are. just explaining myself


While I am also a bb and happen not to agree with you, you do state your opinion well and I think most can respect and see where you are coming from. The majority of the public doesn't find freaks appealing, but the truth is that most bb's don't want a champ who does appeal in that way to the mainstream public. Mag. publishers do, but not the fans who aren't motivated by dollars and pushing useless supps. As another poster stated, it has changed to a mass contest in some ways, but that is b/c freaky mass is what the hardcore fans want to see. We want to see the limit of human development pushed and right now Ronnie is doing the heavy lifting in this department. This isn't so bad b/c the essence of why most of us hit the iron was to get big, in a raw sense. Our champ should be the top of this evolutionary chain, and for my money he is. I still love Dex though, glad he won the Arnold b/c seeing him at the O was heartbreaking and just wrong.
 
Apexx said:
argue all you want about who has the best body, but I don't think anyone
can argue with this statement.

i agree.. None of them are astheticly pleasing anymore.
GH gut and guys pushing 300lbs is not my idea of a perfect build.
 
mr O hasnt been a true show in years.....you honestly think they dont know who is going to win before the show????? come on guys ronnie wouldnt still be mr O if the contest was legit....its about selling Joe weiders products simple as that.....the show is about money..... Ronnies GH gut has been out of hand for about 4yrs now.....you honestly think his physiqe was better than jay cuttlers hell give me a break....
BIC
 
idcbp said:
I happen to like Ronnie's overall package. Noone is perfect and yes he's gonna sacrifice some sym. and asthetics for size, but its what I prefer. Does that mean my mind is not a legit judge since I would choose him as well? You can disagree with the result, but to contend that its clearly incorrect is a bit much. Additionally, if you are speaking of Jay's physique regarding this O, I gotta call BS. He looked terribly soft from the back. He doesn't have the good tight classical build of Dex and he can't play the size game with Ronnie. You want mass=Ronnie Sym=Dex Jay=media fav blond hair blue eyed advert. machine. And he probably makes the most of the three, which I don't knock b/c regardless of the above statements I like Jay too. They all get mad respect in my book.

After reading all of the replies, i'd have to agree with this one the most. Although you like ronnie's overall package where i like dexter's. This is where we differ, and it is only a matter of opinion. And I wasn't only comparing abs of the top pros..but rather picking out a weak point in general..RONNIE'S MID-SECTION. I give ronnie alot of respect because I think some of these guys can take the gh and not get massive guts due to genetics..while other do. Their genetic disposition has a say so in everything. Ronnie is the freakiest fucker alive..I just feel Dex is more pleasing to the eye.
 
BIC said:
mr O hasnt been a true show in years.....you honestly think they dont know who is going to win before the show????? come on guys ronnie wouldnt still be mr O if the contest was legit....its about selling Joe weiders products simple as that.....the show is about money..... Ronnies GH gut has been out of hand for about 4yrs now.....you honestly think his physiqe was better than jay cuttlers hell give me a break....
BIC

I happen to like Ronnie's overall package. Noone is perfect and yes he's gonna sacrifice some sym. and asthetics for size, but its what I prefer. Does that mean my mind is not a legit judge since I would choose him as well? You can disagree with the result, but to contend that its clearly incorrect is a bit much. Additionally, if you are speaking of Jay's physique regarding this O, I gotta call BS. He looked terribly soft from the back. He doesn't have the good tight classical build of Dex and he can't play the size game with Ronnie. You want mass=Ronnie Sym=Dex Jay=media fav blond hair blue eyed advert. machine. And he probably makes the most of the three, which I don't knock b/c regardless of the above statements I like Jay too. They all get mad respect in my book.
 
BIC said:
mr O hasnt been a true show in years.....you honestly think they dont know who is going to win before the show????? come on guys ronnie wouldnt still be mr O if the contest was legit....its about selling Joe weiders products simple as that.....the show is about money..... Ronnies GH gut has been out of hand for about 4yrs now.....you honestly think his physiqe was better than jay cuttlers hell give me a break....
BIC

If the show was fixed, Jay would win every year. He's the most marketable by far.

And I agree with this also, but would like to point out again that symmetry doesn't mean small. Dexter is the most pleasing to the eye because he's not overly big. I prefer Ronnie pre 2002. I think that's when he looked his best:

I happen to like Ronnie's overall package. Noone is perfect and yes he's gonna sacrifice some sym. and asthetics for size, but its what I prefer. Does that mean my mind is not a legit judge since I would choose him as well? You can disagree with the result, but to contend that its clearly incorrect is a bit much. Additionally, if you are speaking of Jay's physique regarding this O, I gotta call BS. He looked terribly soft from the back. He doesn't have the good tight classical build of Dex and he can't play the size game with Ronnie. You want mass=Ronnie Sym=Dex Jay=media fav blond hair blue eyed advert. machine. And he probably makes the most of the three, which I don't knock b/c regardless of the above statements I like Jay too. They all get mad respect in my book.
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