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Xyrem, Pharmaceutical GHB -- by George Spellwin -- a Platinum Member Exclusive

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GHB is Gamma hydroxybutyrate. GHB has been around for years, but in 1999, it took Rohypnol’s place when it became known as the date rape drug. Bodybuilders have long been interested in GHB for promoting restorative sleep and for its possible growth hormone (GH) release connection. In the last year a great deal of new research has been done on GHB that indicates that at controlled dosages, its side effects are practically non-existent and that there is a definitely a connection between GHB and GH release.

In this issue of Elite Fitness News, we’ll look at the new research on GHB. We’ll also look at how bodybuilders are using it to aid in muscle development and improve recovery times. We’ll also take a look at some of the latest research that indicates that many of the side effects attributed to GHB by the media were largely unfounded.

In May of 1999, our friends at the FDA recommended that GHB become a Schedule I Controlled Substance. In September of that year, the House of Representatives voted 423 to 1, and the Senate voted unanimously in favor of the FDA’s recommendations. And by November, the Drug Enforcement Agency was treating GHB just like heroin and other Schedule I drugs. In early 2000, President Clinton signed the legislation.

However, an important exception was made in the legislation. President Clinton said in a White House statement: “The Act will not impede ongoing research into the potential legitimate use of this drug to treat the special needs of those suffering from narcolepsy. Indeed, this Act creates a special exemption that provides that the manufacture and distribution of this drug for properly approved research purposes will be subject to the physical security requirements of Schedule III rather than Schedule I.”

Although GHB is very easily and cheaply manufactured, for better or worse, the FDA gave the drug companies permission to study GHB for possible sale as a pharmaceutical. In essence, what had happened is that GHB went from being an inexpensive and effective sleep aid that had been available as an OTC or as a gray market supplement and re-regulated it for the benefit of the drug companies.

Around this time, Orphan Medical, a drug company in Minneapolis, began research into using GHB for the treatment of narcolepsy. They developed a medically formulated GHB product and given it the brand name Xyrem. Although certainly motivated by profit, Orphan Medical has conducted several studies that indicate that GHB or Xyrem should not be a demonized Schedule I drug. Their research further indicates that GHB is relatively safe and can be an effective treatment for sleep disorders.

All of Orphan’s studies have involved the use of GHB to treat narcoleptics. Narcolepsy is a chronic neurological disorder affecting an estimated 100,000 to 125,000 Americans. The main symptoms are excessive daytime sleepiness and cataplexy. Cataplexy is a debilitating symptom characterized by loss of muscle control in response to strong emotions such as laughter, anger, or surprise. In its most severe form, cataplexy can cause a person to collapse during waking hours.

Of primary interest to us as bodybuilders is how a narcoleptic’s sleep patterns differ from the sleep patterns of a normal person. When you and I sleep, our sleep is divided into 5 stages. Stages 1 through 4 are the non-REM stages. Stage 5 is the REM stage. REM stands for Rapid Eye Movement. REM sleep is distinguishable from Non-REM sleep by changes in physiological states, where heart rate increases, respiration speeds up and becomes erratic, and the face, fingers, and legs may twitch. Intense dreaming occurs during REM sleep as a result of heightened cerebral activity, but paralysis occurs simultaneously in the major voluntary muscle groups. Here’s what happens in a healthy sleep cycle.

The Non-REM Stages

Stage 1
Stage 1 sleep is essentially drowsiness. Polysomnography shows a 50% reduction in activity between wakefulness and stage 1 sleep. The eyes are closed during stage 1 sleep, but if aroused from it, you feel like you have not slept. Stage 1 lasts for about 10 minutes.

Stage 2
Stage 2 is a period of light sleep during which polysomnographic readings show intermittent peaks and valleys, or positive and negative waves. These waves indicate spontaneous periods of muscle tone mixed with periods of muscle relaxation. The heart rate slows, and body temperature decreases. At this point, the body prepares to enter deep sleep.

Stages 3 and 4
These are deep sleep stages and the ones we are primarily concerned with as bodybuilders. Stage 4 is more intense than stage 3. These stages are known as slow-wave, or delta-sleep. During slow-wave sleep, especially during stage 4, the electromyogram records slow waves of high amplitude, indicating a pattern of deep sleep.

Studies have tracked the levels of certain hormones during the sleep cycle -- in particular, the release of growth hormone (GH). In men, but not in women, 60 to 70 percent of the body's GH is secreted during the slow-wave stage of sleep. Interestingly, studies have shown that, infants and adolescents have higher levels of GH and also spend much more time in stages 3 and 4 sleep. Obviously, both infants and adolescents are in a state of rapid growth. Other research has shown that as men move from early adulthood (16 to 25 years) into middle age (36 to 50 years), the time spent in slow wave sleep decreases by about 15 percent. This corresponds to a drop in GH production and possibly to what we commonly call "middle-aged spread."

Non-REM Sleep
The period of non-REM sleep is comprised of stages 1-4 and lasts from 90 to 120 minutes, each stage lasting anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes. Surprisingly, however, Stages 2 and 3 repeat backwards before REM sleep is attained. So, a normal sleep cycle has this pattern: waking, stage 1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, REM. Usually, REM sleep occurs 90 minutes after sleep onset.

After analyzing their findings, the researchers suggested that it might be possible to "treat" the aging process in men by adjusting their sleep patterns. Also, medications that enhance the slow wave phase of sleep could possibly help compensate for medically low GH levels in younger people. More research is needed to determine if this is a practical solution. However the study supports the idea that sleep patterns can be related to metabolism as well.

The five stages of sleep, including their repetition, occur cyclically. The first cycle, which ends after the completion of the first REM stage, usually lasts for 100 minutes. Each subsequent cycle lasts longer, as its respective REM stage extends. So a person may complete five cycles in a typical night’s sleep.

A narcolepsy patient typically enters into REM sleep soon after falling asleep. This abnormal phenomenon is part of the diagnostic profile of narcolepsy. As such, the narcoleptic is largely deprived of the benefits of stage 3 and 4 sleep and the associated GH release. So, Orphan Medical began several studies where GHB or Xyrem, as they call it, was administered to narcoleptics. The results were very promising both for narcolepsy patients, aging men, and for bodybuilders.

The data from the trials demonstrated an overall improvement in both the quality and integration of sleep for narcolepsy patients being treated with Xyrem, as well as a reduction in daytime sleepiness. The trial was conducted over 14 weeks with 21 individuals with narcolepsy. Xyrem produced a dose-related increase in slow-wave (stage 3-4) sleep, with a corresponding reduction in stage 1 sleep. Slow wave sleep is the restorative stage of sleep. These changes in the restorative components of sleep were accompanied by a decrease in the number of nocturnal awakenings, reaching statistical significance at the 7.5 and 9-gram doses.

After the first night of dosing, a significant increase in REM sleep was measured in all-night recordings. Over the course of the trial as the time spent in stage 3 and 4 sleep increased, the total time spent in the Rapid Eye Movement (REM) stages of sleep decreased. These changes were accompanied by a decreasing trend in the shifts between sleep stages, although the total sleep time did not change.

The first Orphan Medical trial evaluated three dosage levels of Xyrem in a four-week, placebo-controlled, double-blind study. The study involved 136-patients, and was conducted at 18 sleep centers around the country. Medications intended to control cataplexy were discontinued over three to four weeks upon each patient’s entry into the trial. This action was followed by a “washout” period of 5 to 18 days during which the effects of any such medication were eliminated. Each patient’s untreated symptoms were recorded in daily diaries over a baseline period of 14 to 21 days. After this baseline period, patients were randomly assigned a placebo or an active dose level of 3, 6, or 9 grams of Xyrem. All cataplexy events were recorded daily over four weeks.

After the first trial, all patients, including those previously taking the placebo, were given the opportunity to enter into a follow-up study. After another short washout period, the 118 patients in this second trial were provided active the drug, titrated to levels deemed clinically effective by physician investigators.

During the first trial, the number of weekly cataplexy attacks in patients who received the 9-gram dose of Xyrem decreased by 68.6% in comparison to the baseline. When compared to the placebo response, the clinical improvement of patients on the 9-gram Xyrem dose was highly statistically significant, with ever less improvement noted with the 6 and 3 gram doses.

At the end of the four-week trial, it appeared that the treatment response in patients taking the 6 and 9 gram doses had not reached a plateau. This was confirmed in the follow-on trial that measured each patient’s response to Xyrem across the following 30 weeks. Data from the second trial suggest that maximum benefit was reached in seven weeks for most patients and was then sustained.

What about side effects?

As you know, the media has demonized GHB and claimed that it has a horrific side effect profile. Specifically, they have suggested that GHB has been the cause of respiratory failure in some users.

In the Xyrem trials, respiratory data was collected and analyzed to determine if the escalating doses of Xyrem (4.5 to 9g/night) would cause sleep-disordered breathing or reduced oxygenation during sleep. The results were very positive. No respiratory depressant effects were identified from therapeutic doses of Xyrem.

The results showed no dose-related changes in mean saturated oxygen values in arterial blood (SaO2), with mean values maintained between 94.7% and 95.5%. Since previous studies indicated that peak plasma concentrations occurred 30-60 minutes after dosing, and that higher plasma levels occurred in relation to the second nightly dose compared to the first, special attention was paid to these times of expected peak plasma concentrations. No changes in arterial oxygen saturation corresponded to these times.

Minor, variable changes in the incidence and severity of events of sleep - disordered breathing occurred throughout the study. These were classified largely as sleep apneas. However, dose-related changes were not seen in the therapeutic dose range of 4.5 to 9g/night in incidence of events.

Although generally well tolerated, there were some observed side effects from Xyrem. Most side effects appeared to be dose related and often occurred early during the trials and abated over time. The most common adverse events were dizziness, nausea, headache, and enuresis (urinary incontinence during sleep).

In conclusion, I think it is clear that GHB definitely does increase the GH releasing stage 3 and stage 4 sleep levels as indicated by the research on narcoleptics. Stage 3 and stage 4 sleep levels are also the most restorative sleep levels and there are definite benefits to their prolongation. It is important to note that Xyrem is a pharmaceutical grade GHB – not the bathtub variety found on the streets. Additionally, the dosing conditions were largely pristine, meaning that there was no interplay with other substances in the subjects studied.

As I mentioned a few weeks ago in my article on Modafinil, relatively little is known about sleep compared to say what we know about nutrition. Modafinil, as you may remember is also used to treat narcolepsy. Modafinil is as effective as amphetamine in promoting wakefulness, but has none of the side effects. It would be interesting to see studies, which will certainly be forthcoming, that look at patients treated with Modafinil during the day and Xyrem at night. It would stand to reason, that soon we may be able to use these two compounds to reduce our need for sleep to say only 24 hours per week, while at the same time, increase the quality and benefits obtained from the time we are spending asleep.

If any of you have tried a Modafinil/GHB combination, or have comments on GHB itself, I would appreciate your posting them.
 
I have just recently begun to use GHB, but not on a regular basis. At higher dosages, nausea has been a major side effect, and I have become VERY sick on two seperate occasions. The first time involved some other substances, so that may have played a role. The other occured while chatting with smallmovesal, so nausea could have originated from that as well.
 
Hehe.....all the anti-GHB people must be hitting their
heads on a wll right now... :)

I'm probably the one with the most experience with GHB here.
4 years straight b/c I have mild insomnia.
I also use it as a very effective alcohol replacement.
I just have too much info right now. I've probably written
30 long posts on GHB in the 2 years I've been here.

The results don't surpise me in the least. Most times
people get side-effects is due to fluctuating
PH levels and impurities in the NaOH.(i.e contamination)
Or, most commonly because they mix it with alcohol.
And yet, GHB gets the rap. And miraculously the person
who was an IDIOT is the "victim".

In fact, I got banned from a forum: Muscletalk.co.uk
because I said GHB use was safe and the moderators
had a different opinion.

I think its time I paid them another visit..... :)

Fonz
 
i will agree, but GHB can have some bad consequences. The dose is not the same from person to person. Thats why i don't think it should ever be completely legal.. I mean i watched my girlfriend G out once on 1 cap of a bottle of G we had. When the weeks prior she was taking 3-4 caps with no problem. It just hits some different sometimes. I love the drug myself, and have used it as long as i can remember, but it is not the PERFECT drug as everyone keeps claiming.
 
spentagn said:
I have just recently begun to use GHB, but not on a regular basis. At higher dosages, nausea has been a major side effect, and I have become VERY sick on two seperate occasions. The first time involved some other substances, so that may have played a role. The other occured while chatting with smallmovesal, so nausea could have originated from that as well.

HOLY SHIT!!! You are fucking crazy... goddamn that was really funny for some reason...;)
 
So I have a question. Basically I have insomnia problems too. I mean I could go to sleep at 1 am or 6 am I'll always wake up at 9 - 9:30, then I have to sleep again at 1 PM. So I guess GHB could be useful in this aspect right ? And if yes what would be a good dosage. Everytime I saw or took GHB it came in some 1 ml vial I think. I was also considering 5-htp but still have doubts on it.

:)
 
Have you tried Xanax Manny?
 
George Spellwin said:
Have you tried Xanax Manny?

Xanax/Valium are BAD!!! They both cause great
grogginess the day after.
GHB does NOT cause this. It makes you feel
VERY refreshed after only 4 hours sleep because
of the REM sleep induction after only 20-30 min.
As George pointed out in the article it normally takes
3-4 hours to enter Stage IV sleep(REM=Rapid eye movement),
so, in essence 8 hours sleep is really equivalent to only 4 hours
of sleep with any other drug/(or nothing for that matter).

Manny, I would NOT buy any GHB that comes in 1ml vials.
Make it yourself or e-mail me and I'll direct you elsewhere.

Fonz
 
George Spellwin said:
Have you tried Xanax Manny?

I was considering this option but for some dark reasons the doc told me it wouldnt be a good idea in my case. I could have gotten some anyway but I tought it was safer not to do it.
 
Fonz said:


Xanax/Valium are BAD!!! They both cause great
grogginess the day after.
GHB does NOT cause this. It makes you feel
VERY refreshed after only 4 hours sleep because
of the REM sleep induction after only 20-30 min.
As George pointed out in the article it normally takes
3-4 hours to enter Stage IV sleep(REM=Rapid eye movement),
so, in essence 8 hours sleep is really equivalent to only 4 hours
of sleep with any other drug/(or nothing for that matter).

Manny, I would NOT buy any GHB that comes in 1ml vials.
Make it yourself or e-mail me and I'll direct you elsewhere.

Fonz

Hey Fonz, does the "very refreshed" feeling you get when you wake up after taking ghb stop after you've been taking it for awhile?

Also, I've read about how people will suddenly wake up after 4 hours and are wide awake......does this go on with continued use.....it just seems like sometimes you might not want to be forced awake at 3:00am (assuming you went to sleep around 11pm)

EngiCream
 
Hey Fonz, does the "very refreshed" feeling you get when you wake up after taking ghb stop after you've been taking it for awhile?

Also, I've read about how people will suddenly wake up after 4 hours and are wide awake......does this go on with continued use.....it just seems like sometimes you might not want to be forced awake at 3:00am (assuming you went to sleep around 11pm)

EngiCream

I've heard this described as "dopamine rebound". I'm afraid I can't inform beyond that, except that I've experienced this myself, and heard others describe it as well. It can be difficult to go back to sleep at that point; however, you do get deep sleep for those first few hours. Perhaps that makes up for it.

dogonit
 
dogonit said:


I've heard this described as "dopamine rebound". I'm afraid I can't inform beyond that, except that I've experienced this myself, and heard others describe it as well. It can be difficult to go back to sleep at that point; however, you do get deep sleep for those first few hours. Perhaps that makes up for it.

dogonit

Thanks for the info bro.
 
I wonder what the price of Xyrem will be once it hits the black market. And what it will do to regular "homemade" versions of GHB. Interesting...
 
I think if you know what you're doing and your carefull doing it you should have no probleme.
Have anyone felt any musle spazem while on G, sometime i feel like my back is going to explode when I'm on it.
 
Doesn't look like there's going to be much of a black market on xyrem, at least for a while . I did a yahoo search and found out that it is only dispenced from a"single centralized pharmacy" And guess what all receipiants(patients) have to be registered,educated,and put under detailed patient surveillance. Christ on a crutch talk about parinoia!
www.fda.gov/cder/drug/infopage/xyrem/default.htlm
George, the modafinal/xyrem combo sounds interesting. It could be a blessing or a nightmare tho. I dont know. I work 12-16hr days 7 days a week for 3-5 month contracts-ouch!So I am curious.
 
sorry,screwed up. The FDA website on my last post wont work if u click on it . the last few letters in the adress are: htm not htlm still worth a look
 
vicatin works pretty well in my experience for sleeping, just pop an eca when you wake up and your set the next day
 
Fonz said:
Xanax/Valium are BAD!!! They both cause great
grogginess the day after.
GHB does NOT cause this. It makes you feel
VERY refreshed after only 4 hours sleep because
of the REM sleep induction after only 20-30 min.
As George pointed out in the article it normally takes
3-4 hours to enter Stage IV sleep(REM=Rapid eye movement),
so, in essence 8 hours sleep is really equivalent to only 4 hours
of sleep with any other drug/(or nothing for that matter).

Manny, I would NOT buy any GHB that comes in 1ml vials.
Make it yourself or e-mail me and I'll direct you elsewhere.

Fonz

i take ambien for my sleep problems...do you think ghb would be safer for me than this...i dont like xanax/valium..those arent fun and can get addictin quick and most others ive tried dont work or make me feel like shit when i wake up. ambien is ok but i wake up in middle of the night
 
I have just recently been prescribed Xyrem. It's ridiculously over-priced! $146 for a 9ml bottle! I can get it cheaper on the black market. You have to go through a lot of BS to get it. Especially if you don't have narcolepsy. There's only one central pharmacy where you order it from and it's shipped directly to your home. There's a phone inteview with doctor and patient along with a video you must watch! I can't stand the U.S. drug polocy. :rolleyes:
 
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Damn any more info on xyrem I have pretty nasty insomnia and valium or xanex is worse I hate it and would rather have the insomnia than take either.
 
try to go talk to your doc, i belive xyrem is prescribed for narcolepsy
 
Its having no control over going to sleep - you could fall into a deep sleep right in the middle of a conversation, driving, eating, at school, etc..........
 
kingc_79 said:
i take ambien for my sleep problems...do you think ghb would be safer for me than this...i dont like xanax/valium..those arent fun and can get addictin quick and most others ive tried dont work or make me feel like shit when i wake up. ambien is ok but i wake up in middle of the night

If you think xanax/valiun are addicitive, try GHB and you will know what addiction is, I was hooked on GHB for 2 years. Had a vary hard time giving up even pissed myself one night and still took more the next night. But dont think it was pharnaceutical grade, so cant say about xyrem. My advice is let a few others experament and let see what happens.
 
loik4 said:
Its having no control over going to sleep - you could fall into a deep sleep right in the middle of a conversation, driving, eating, at school, etc..........

That's actually cataplexy, which is associated with narcolepsy. Narcolepsy is diagnosed when excessive REM sleep is present, especially within 20 minutes of sleep onset. The catatonic state people ''fall into'' where its like a dream/hallucination/no control over muscles is cataplexy.
 
want to try xyrem but cant get it. lunesta works well for me. way better than shitty ambien which does nothing but make me hallucinate.
 
ambien didn't do anything for me either
trazodone's are marginally effective,but I tend to wake after two hours often still
 
4everhung said:
ambien didn't do anything for me either
trazodone's are marginally effective,but I tend to wake after two hours often still

trazodone makes me sleepy but closes my septum and i cant breathe.
 
hmmm which to choose....no sleep and feel shitty in the morning....or take xanax...get a GREAT night of sleep and wake up somewhat shitty in the morning...ill take xanax anyday...and everyday as a matter of fact...love it
 
newbiebynature said:
hmmm which to choose....no sleep and feel shitty in the morning....or take xanax...get a GREAT night of sleep and wake up somewhat shitty in the morning...ill take xanax anyday...and everyday as a matter of fact...love it

same here. id honestly rather be addicted to xanax and look good than get no sleep and look shitty and have no reason for going to the gym or even getting up in the morning. shit if my only alternatives were no sleep every night or heroin and get 8 hours id rather take heroin get sleep look good and die young. but thats me.
 
I too have many yrs. of experience on bath tub G and the pre-curser G. Like fonz I could go on about this for hours. I will try and make it short. I think it is great for many problems. I personally had problems with injuries from many yrs. of lifting. I was on many pain pills a day for my back and xanex for not sleeping well. GHB got me off the pain pills and the xanex. There is all ways people who abuse the products and we pay the price for it. like some of the other people were saying the dose was diferant for differant people. Also if you were getting the bath tub G it could of been stronger batch to batch. Thats why I liked the precurser's of G like Reviverant and Renew-G and many more. I liked Reviverant the best it was bright green-yellow like mountain dew. The reason I liked the pre- curser G was you new a cap was the same every time no matter what. So you had less overdosing like with the homebrew it was differant every time. That made it difficult to know how much to do. Because with G just a little to much and you are throwing up. With the reviverant a cap was just right. I thought there was no differance between the homebrew and the reviverant. The home brew was cheaper but more dangerous. The reviverant was more expensive but you knew what you were getting. Plus myself and a few other's were buying in bulk and selling it when it was legal. I was not shocked when they took it off the shelves. Because there are idots that all ways have to abuse good products like with ephidrine. On the bottle it said' DO NOT TAKE WITH ALCOHOL OR OTHER DRUGS.' In big print just like that but did people listen. I know I was selling it and saw what people were doing. I would tell them over and over again. Do not mix your drugs and no your limits. I always knew my clients and if they were stupid I would not sell to them. I think it was a great supplement to the world for many differant reasons. But people not all but a few didn't listen and people died and thats why it is illegal. It was around for yrs. and was legal until the abuse started. I never knew any one that got date raped. I no it happened because I read about it. I think that was just sick people who took advantage of the product. Like with Rohypnol it was great for sleeping but there were people that took advantage of the product. When I started hearing rumors that G was going to be illegal soon I packed a wherhouse full of it for personal use. That was yrs. ago so I am out of course but I would love if I could get my hands on GHB again for personal use of course. I know how to make it but getting the products to make it is hard to find. Plus if you are off, a degree it will change the chemical to something that will kill you. For a short time you could order the chemicals separate just not together. But even that is hard to find now. So its hard to say if they made a good choice takeing it off the market. I geuss they did because of the abuse. I wish you could get it with some kind of control so that people could not abuse it. I have never heard of getting it with a script. I live in the U.S I dont think the Goverment likes it. I read on this forum that some one was getting it with a doctor consiltation. I wish it didn,t come to that and if so how do you go about getting it. I would like to know if some one wants to P.M me with the doc. or the website that would be great. If any one has any questions on this subject just send me a message. Like I said I had many years of experiance with this product. Thanks for reading my rambling on I hope it helps let people know that it can be a great product with much respect in takeing it. Because if your not IT WILL KILL YOU. Just be smart and careful, and I know how to help someone that is overdosing on it. Just ask and I will let you know what to do.
 
Man. I only have one thing to say about GHB. I took it for years until I ended up on a stretcher being carried out of my house with my wife and parents over watching me while I was in my tighty whities. Be CAREFUL guys.
 
glurk said:
Man. I only have one thing to say about GHB. I took it for years until I ended up on a stretcher being carried out of my house with my wife and parents over watching me while I was in my tighty whities. Be CAREFUL guys.


i know that feeling
 
i have narcolepsy and i already take provigil (modafinil). it works great. I was also recently prescribed xyrem and I am starting to take it next week.
 
I have a script for xyrem, but prefer Xanax and can't get it...unbelivable huh??

As a alcohol substitute I like the xyrem, but for some reason everytime I use it I wake up feeling hungover...WTF??? I feel great after Xanax sleep, and I can't get a Dr. to prescribe it cause its addicting..I don't get it??

I keep tring to use the xyrem, but even at 4.5gs it doen't knock me out like its supposed to, anyone have any suggestions that may help?? Also you guys use it twice a nite or just take a large dose one time and it keeps you asleep all nite??
 
Just joined and just started Xyrem a month ago.

Njeq: I noticed the same thing. I'm on 7.5g and it's starting to knock me out more. At the lower doses I would take it and wander around like a drunken idiot. It was actually pretty fun, lol. Now I actually take it and go to bed.

Does anyone else have any experience with xyrem? I've lost a lot of weight (mostly fat i think) the last couple weeks. I haven't worked out in a long time b/c I haven't had the energy. I'm finally starting to notice an improvement in drowsiness so I hope to start working out again soon. I'll let you know what my results are
 
I've been taking GHB - gamma hydroxybutyric - nightly for weeks now, and the depth of sleep, REM sleep, and vivid dreams is unparalleled. I'm almost too relaxed during the day because of it :) I've also been using dostinex for the last few weeks as a safety measure using while using trenbolone, and it does affect the way GHB works. With dostinex, I don't have to deal with the "wake up" effect G causes after it wears off in 4 hours.

I also just got some modafinil today which I will use during the daytime. I've suffered from daytime sleepiness and sluggishness as long as I can remember, and look forward to being more alert and prodctive.
 
I miss being able to get this stuff and don't have the luxury of self-creation. The benefits were amazing. Being a widower with at the time a 2 month old and she would get up eveyr 4 hours this stuff was amazing. I would take it sleep 4 hours wake up and feel like I'd gotten 8 full deep hours of sleep. There was furanon-Di-Hydro as well.
 
Very interesting. I just read the dosage instructions for Xyrem, and they say to take a 2nd dose 2-4 hours after the first dose, obviously to combat the "wake up" effect that G causes when it wears off. I tried that the other night, and noticed that I felt much more refreshed. It seems that the "wake up" effect 4 hours after the first dose was causing me to have broken, poor quality sleep for the last 4 hours of my 8 hour night. The 2nd dose is cool because not only do I go right back into DEEP r.e.m. sleep, but I am forced awake by the wake up effect instead of hitting the snooze button several times and oversleeping. It's incredible how there is NO hangover. I feel like ass if I have 2 glasses of wine before bed. Alcohol is so toxic compared to G.

Also, I bought a bunch of Modafinil to "feel alert" during the day, but this stuff sucks! It just aggravates me like I'm on caffeine. I guess everyone reacts differently to different compounds. What a waste of $350.
 
I miss GHB.. lol, rejuvanite, renewtriant.... I don't have the basic chemistry sense to self make it or I would...
 
td1111 said:
Also, I bought a bunch of Modafinil to "feel alert" during the day, but this stuff sucks! It just aggravates me like I'm on caffeine. I guess everyone reacts differently to different compounds. What a waste of $350.


Provigil did nothing for me. I think one morning I even fell back asleep after 400mgs.
 
td1111 said:
Very interesting. I just read the dosage instructions for Xyrem, and they say to take a 2nd dose 2-4 hours after the first dose, obviously to combat the "wake up" effect that G causes when it wears off. I tried that the other night, and noticed that I felt much more refreshed. It seems that the "wake up" effect 4 hours after the first dose was causing me to have broken, poor quality sleep for the last 4 hours of my 8 hour night. The 2nd dose is cool because not only do I go right back into DEEP r.e.m. sleep, but I am forced awake by the wake up effect instead of hitting the snooze button several times and oversleeping. It's incredible how there is NO hangover. I feel like ass if I have 2 glasses of wine before bed. Alcohol is so toxic compared to G.

Also, I bought a bunch of Modafinil to "feel alert" during the day, but this stuff sucks! It just aggravates me like I'm on caffeine. I guess everyone reacts differently to different compounds. What a waste of $350.
maybe deep sleep, but not REM, you dont really get too much more of that unless you're rebounding it from missing it before. As far as Modafinil, a lot of docs will script that with adderall as combination therapy.

I respond well to provigil and adderall both.
 
Yo I cant believe this. Just last week I had some ghb and gave it to a friend he mentioned that it was the same effect as xyrem. I said no way we looked it up online and it is ghb. He had taken a sleep study and was not able to hit final stages of sleep.
The doctor faxes the company the rx then they send it to him through the mail.
whooooooooooooooooooooooooo. weeeeeeeeeee
 
Here is one for ya, to sleep I take a drug called seraquel. It's for psychotic behavior, but it knocks me out hardcore. I even take a third of what they want me too. 1 problem is I sleep too much, 12 hours a day. And I do feel groggy when i wake. I need to find the homebrew post of GHB.

Walli
 
Fonz said:
Hehe.....all the anti-GHB - gamma hydroxybutyric - people must be hitting their
heads on a wll right now... :)

I'm probably the one with the most experience with GHB here.
4 years straight b/c I have mild insomnia.
I also use it as a very effective alcohol replacement.
I just have too much info right now. I've probably written
30 long posts on GHB in the 2 years I've been here.

The results don't surpise me in the least. Most times
people get side-effects is due to fluctuating
PH levels and impurities in the NaOH.(i.e contamination)
Or, most commonly because they mix it with alcohol.
And yet, GHB gets the rap. And miraculously the person
who was an IDIOT is the "victim".

In fact, I got banned from a forum: Muscletalk.co.uk
because I said GHB use was safe and the moderators
had a different opinion.

I think its time I paid them another visit..... :)

Fonz


Hey Fonz,
I have taken GHBa while back and then when everything went down, I wasnt able to find it anywhere. Is it something I could make at home if I dont have alot of chem experience? If no, cant you direct me to where I might get some?
 
marko2010 said:
Hey Fonz,
I have taken GHBa while back and then when everything went down, I wasnt able to find it anywhere. Is it something I could make at home if I dont have alot of chem experience? If no, cant you direct me to where I might get some?
bump that.. I wish I could acquire lol
 
I remember the kits back in the 90's to make your own GHB & the ppl that did some had very different exp.@same dose jst like what drrman said. I wish I could still get those kits I have severe insomnia and if I'm running forget it.
 
Anyone direct me to GHB, I have undergone sleep study program. So is it possible to get prescribed? If I can't find a source or make myself.
 
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