Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below This may be a dumb question but are there any other imminent dangers or contraindications with mixing X with a cycle. The cycle consists of Anapolan, Test Depot, and Deca. I know the dangers already associated with X but was wondering if there is any greater risk do to the use of AS.
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I had been wondering this too in regards to prolactin/progesterone from fina and deca. X releases seretonin levels in the brain and if those get depleted shifts over to dopamine, could this potentially have even worse affects in relation to increased prolactin...either way, no mixing for me
i truned into a major E-head a couple of winters ago. it's very easy to get hooked into that whole life style. the girls, money, parties, ect. but it was prbly the most fun i'd ever had. . hee hee
what i noticed is that i got very weak for a couple of days. i was unable to eat the amounts of food/protein the day after, and after awhile lost all motivation to go up to the gym. keep in mind i was eating like 6 or 7 pills per night. 2-3 days per week for about 4 months.
i wasn't putting on any weight and actuall got smaller and weaker over all. yeah, believe it or not. . . LOL
now on occation i will do one pill and noticed that i'm still a little weaker the next day and can't eat the way i usually do.
it's hard to balance the two. i know many bro's work out to look good and show it off. and what better places to show off than in clubs and after hours. in my case, i just fell in love with the life style. it's hard to walk away from. at times i find myslef falling back in. . .. . but my source is in prison now and that helpls keep me clean. whether i want to be or not.
for me, one pill every now and then isn't that bad. i usually only train 5-6 times per week. so if i'm going to do a pill i make sure that it the night before one of my off days. not too much is missed then except the whole eatting thing.
i know some bro's will slam me for using E or X or whatever you'd like to call it. but i'm just letting you know my experinces with the drug. you can form your own thoughts on the issuse.
what i noticed is that i got very weak for a couple of days. i was unable to eat the amounts of food/protein the day after, and after awhile lost all motivation to go up to the gym. keep in mind i was eating like 6 or 7 pills per night. 2-3 days per week for about 4 months.
i wasn't putting on any weight and actuall got smaller and weaker over all. yeah, believe it or not. . . LOL
now on occation i will do one pill and noticed that i'm still a little weaker the next day and can't eat the way i usually do.
it's hard to balance the two. i know many bro's work out to look good and show it off. and what better places to show off than in clubs and after hours. in my case, i just fell in love with the life style. it's hard to walk away from. at times i find myslef falling back in. . .. . but my source is in prison now and that helpls keep me clean. whether i want to be or not.
for me, one pill every now and then isn't that bad. i usually only train 5-6 times per week. so if i'm going to do a pill i make sure that it the night before one of my off days. not too much is missed then except the whole eatting thing.
i know some bro's will slam me for using E or X or whatever you'd like to call it. but i'm just letting you know my experinces with the drug. you can form your own thoughts on the issuse.
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"X" blows......I feel 100% better since I stop taking that crap. It takes a long time to get yourself back physically and mentally if you have abused it for any length of time.
I don't care what anyone says. It does brain damage. I can tell I'm not as sharp as I was in some areas as I once was.
I don't care what anyone says. It does brain damage. I can tell I'm not as sharp as I was in some areas as I once was.
Most people call it E. The only danger is that it releases a big burst of serotonin and dopamine. The dopamine can be taken up by the serotonin cells and oxidize, damaging the axons. Essentially isolating the brain cells. Strong antioxidants like ALA have been shown to reduce or prevent this damage.
I have used E for years... If your going roll then you need to make sure you keep your dancing to a minimum because ecstasy PROMOTES THE BREAKDOWN OF MUSCLE TISSUE. I have experienced this first hand on many occasions over the past few years, where I would actually lose a considerable about of muscle in a night and I would have to regain it.
as for doing it while on a cycle, I have done it while on cycles, no prob just once again keep the daincing to a minumum and take protien bars in your pocket and you should be fine
as for doing it while on a cycle, I have done it while on cycles, no prob just once again keep the daincing to a minumum and take protien bars in your pocket
and you should be fine
ragin'
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been there, done that. that lifestyle is in the past for me. yeah, it was alot of fun, but for me, got out of hand. i'll still roll once and awile but have other priorities now.
i make a rule for myself when doing a cycle and that is that i get one...that's right ONE cheat night where i'll go out, roll, abuse my body, wont eat, etc, etc.... and that's it. if i want to do it after my cycle, fine... but during...f that.
i figure i spent all this money on a cycle and why would i want to cheat myself out of even one moment of it?
peace,
ragin'
i make a rule for myself when doing a cycle and that is that i get one...that's right ONE cheat night where i'll go out, roll, abuse my body, wont eat, etc, etc.... and that's it. if i want to do it after my cycle, fine... but during...f that.
i figure i spent all this money on a cycle and why would i want to cheat myself out of even one moment of it?
peace,
ragin'
nikolai_bolkov
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ragin' said:
Excellent point and very motivating. Sometimes it feels like a cycle is a burden because of all the training, eating, and sleeping that goes into it.
ragin'
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nikolai_bolkov said:
so true. i'm going through that right now. dont get me wrong, i love the feeling when "on".. i love the pumps, i love the growth. i'm in the middle of a cycle right now and have gained 25lbs so far.. from 168 to a current 193. i'm to the point where i hate eating, i look at meals like the enemy and i have to crush everything to stay on top. the morning is the worst.... on top of 1-2 cups of grape nuts, bagel, oj, supps, peice of fruit and water.. i'm trying to shove 10 f'n eggs down my throat and by egg 6 i'm gagging
i dont remember what it feels like to be hungry. but i'm just talking shit.... fuck it .. gotta go eat!!!ragin'
Linares868
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Let me tell you that while your on a cycle you should not take ither recreational drugs like E. I used to take the gear like 3 times a year and once during the summer I did E, K, GHB, smoked weed and threw down Oxy's like they were candy. Partied my ass off but the next few days afterwards I felt like shit and just couldn't eat. If your going to do cycle do it right and get the full benefits from it. I would assume that doing E once awhile is OK but don't go crazy every weekend like I did.
Fukkenshredded
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I do X, 2-CB, and various other hallucinogenics, all with moderate frequency. here's the deal on X.
The statement above about prolactin being raised is correct. It doesn't take much, especially in conjunction with GHB, which is common. Bear this in mind on any nandrolones. Moreover, X is extremely stressful on both the liver and the kidneys. The liver stress is such that X should NEVER be mixed, even once, with drugs like winstrol, halotestin, anadrol, d-bol...you get the idea. I tried it for a while and I think most of you on this board know that it resulted in hepatitis for me. Next, the kidneys. Not only does X dehydrate the body severely, it also interferes with the kidney's ability to detoxify by destroying the nephrons, I believe. Something to think about. Those of you taking ALA, as I do, want to consider this extra stress on the kidneys when you are thinking about rolling.
As far as brain damage goes, I think the jury is still out on this one. I have done TONS of drugs in my lifetime, and I have done X for over ten years, every year except two. I used to roll every weekend, both Friday and Saturday, on lots of pills. It did damage, but I am not convinced that brain damage was part of it. I do not suffer from the usual list of so called sides from excessive ecstacy use, at least as far as brain function is concerned.
It is almost impossible to gain muscle if you roll with any regularity.
I probably roll once or twice a month, and limit my intake for the night to 400mg of MDMA or less. I am very particular about the purity, and I have found that the availabilty of quality MDMA is as much of a limiting factor as anything. I think it is dangerous to assume that sites like Dancesafe are accurate representations of pill quality and substance. I have found them to be about 50% accurate. i cannot recommend X use to anyone with a good conscious. The fact is, you don't need it, and it is easy to do more harm with it than good. I won't get on a soapbox, but in the final analysis it seems to me to run contrary to the bodybuilding agenda.
But it is fun, isn't it?
The statement above about prolactin being raised is correct. It doesn't take much, especially in conjunction with GHB, which is common. Bear this in mind on any nandrolones. Moreover, X is extremely stressful on both the liver and the kidneys. The liver stress is such that X should NEVER be mixed, even once, with drugs like winstrol, halotestin, anadrol, d-bol...you get the idea. I tried it for a while and I think most of you on this board know that it resulted in hepatitis for me. Next, the kidneys. Not only does X dehydrate the body severely, it also interferes with the kidney's ability to detoxify by destroying the nephrons, I believe. Something to think about. Those of you taking ALA, as I do, want to consider this extra stress on the kidneys when you are thinking about rolling.
As far as brain damage goes, I think the jury is still out on this one. I have done TONS of drugs in my lifetime, and I have done X for over ten years, every year except two. I used to roll every weekend, both Friday and Saturday, on lots of pills. It did damage, but I am not convinced that brain damage was part of it. I do not suffer from the usual list of so called sides from excessive ecstacy use, at least as far as brain function is concerned.
It is almost impossible to gain muscle if you roll with any regularity.
I probably roll once or twice a month, and limit my intake for the night to 400mg of MDMA or less. I am very particular about the purity, and I have found that the availabilty of quality MDMA is as much of a limiting factor as anything. I think it is dangerous to assume that sites like Dancesafe are accurate representations of pill quality and substance. I have found them to be about 50% accurate. i cannot recommend X use to anyone with a good conscious. The fact is, you don't need it, and it is easy to do more harm with it than good. I won't get on a soapbox, but in the final analysis it seems to me to run contrary to the bodybuilding agenda.
But it is fun, isn't it?
nikolai_bolkov
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ragin' said:
so true. i'm going through that right now. dont get me wrong, i love the feeling when "on".. i love the pumps, i love the growth. i'm in the middle of a cycle right now and have gained 25lbs so far.. from 168 to a current 193. i'm to the point where i hate eating, i look at meals like the enemy and i have to crush everything to stay on top. the morning is the worst.... on top of 1-2 cups of grape nuts, bagel, oj, supps, peice of fruit and water.. i'm trying to shove 10 f'n eggs down my throat and by egg 6 i'm gagging
ragin'
That's awesome! I'm slightly less than your starting weight right now, in day 4 of my 2nd cycle (750mg test enth/week 400mg deca/week 40mg dbol/day).
If I can reach 185 I'll be one happy mofo.
J
Jack Diesel
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The only E i like is
Enormous muscles. HA
Enormous muscles. HA
fuckenshredded where did you get 2-cb ive looked high and low 4 that shit and im not able to find it. Did u get it when it was still legal? My theory is abou anything in life if it feels good there are consequences. E may not affect everyone the same,, but after I stopped fuckin with that I noticed a slight depression. It has been proven in rats and animals to be toxic. MDA its cousin is proven to be toxic in humans and if you ever got one of those really speedy pills. It didnt have alot of speed in it it was MDA which is more toxic.
Fukkenshredded
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Jesa--
I cannot go into the details of any acquisitions, so yeah, I got it all when it was still legal.
As far as MDA toxicity, it has a slightly lower LD-50 than MDMA, so it is slightly more toxic. It is a drug with more pronounced physical effects, but lacks the entactogenic feeling that so many people find appealing about MDMA.
2-CB is very dose dependent, more so than either of the above. To high a dose of 2-CB can be very unpleasant. The trip is much shorter, though, and I found that an accurate dose will produce a bit of the entactogenis sensation that MDMA produces, only not as pronounced. The two taken together result in a very profound and pleasant experience. 2-CB is not readily available on the street as far as I know. Of course, most of the X on the street is adulterated, and I have been increasingly concerned about the final result of this trend. Its not just the PMA and DXM and such, its the general overall idiocy that has flooded the whole scene. Kids popping pills like they were candy, 5,6 rolls a night, every weekend--we are gonna hear about some messed up kids real soon, I guarantee it. Kidneys failing, liver damage, the like.
The depression you are referring to is a result of suppressed serotonin levels, and is common among users. I found that proper preperation, 5-HTP, C, E, consuming no heavy protien on the day before or after, and adequate sleep the next day prevent depression for me. Additionally, keeping the doses low and infrequent is also a must.
As a side note, in the past eighteen months there has only been one pill on the street that is, to me, a quality roll, called a Purple Ferrari. Unfortunately, this is no guarantee that they are all good, and this is not meant as a recommendation or solicitation or anything else. It is simply a statement reflecting the rarity of pure MDMA nowadays.
Gyno can result from excessive MDMA use in conjunction with nandrolones and GHB, yes. I know this for a fact, because that is how I got it.
I cannot go into the details of any acquisitions, so yeah, I got it all when it was still legal.
As far as MDA toxicity, it has a slightly lower LD-50 than MDMA, so it is slightly more toxic. It is a drug with more pronounced physical effects, but lacks the entactogenic feeling that so many people find appealing about MDMA.
2-CB is very dose dependent, more so than either of the above. To high a dose of 2-CB can be very unpleasant. The trip is much shorter, though, and I found that an accurate dose will produce a bit of the entactogenis sensation that MDMA produces, only not as pronounced. The two taken together result in a very profound and pleasant experience. 2-CB is not readily available on the street as far as I know. Of course, most of the X on the street is adulterated, and I have been increasingly concerned about the final result of this trend. Its not just the PMA and DXM and such, its the general overall idiocy that has flooded the whole scene. Kids popping pills like they were candy, 5,6 rolls a night, every weekend--we are gonna hear about some messed up kids real soon, I guarantee it. Kidneys failing, liver damage, the like.
The depression you are referring to is a result of suppressed serotonin levels, and is common among users. I found that proper preperation, 5-HTP, C, E, consuming no heavy protien on the day before or after, and adequate sleep the next day prevent depression for me. Additionally, keeping the doses low and infrequent is also a must.
As a side note, in the past eighteen months there has only been one pill on the street that is, to me, a quality roll, called a Purple Ferrari. Unfortunately, this is no guarantee that they are all good, and this is not meant as a recommendation or solicitation or anything else. It is simply a statement reflecting the rarity of pure MDMA nowadays.
Gyno can result from excessive MDMA use in conjunction with nandrolones and GHB, yes. I know this for a fact, because that is how I got it.
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