WTF why can't I gain weight on tren

[HighIntensity]

no flames, I am well researched in a variety of areas dealing with diet, training and anabolics...plus as a PT I have the education

but ill tell you guys it does not add up

Now of course tren is more a cut drug, so I never expected huge weight gains from 1 cc OED but I calculated that while on a high protein 5000 to 6000 cals a day diet I would gain at least 5-7 pounds of lean muscle in 10 weeks of running my tren.

I eat a variety of different protien from whole foods, included are fish, beef, chicken, tuna, eggs, nuts, dairy ect. also I get plenty of carbs and drink about 8-10 glasses of milk a day...

I have cut down my cardio to about 2 hours a week and train 5 days upperbody one day legs

overall I look fine, more vascular, harder, probley sitting at 7% BF but my weight keeps droping weighed in at 184 tday down about 6 pounds

is this because of the fat burner properties of tren, or maybe water loss...im still drinking half a gallon of water a day

I have heard others with similiar weight loss on tren but my god how much can I eat....

anythoughts

 

[Diesel3d]

lack of carbs?

 

[HighIntensity]

add in a gram of ALA daily before carb up as well

 

[barbell265]

more info..

You state 1 ml eod, how many mg/ml? Also what is your routine like?? Do you do 15-20 reps with lighter weight or do you do 3-5 w/ heavy weight? How many exercise per muscle group and how many sets/reps per exercise?

There's alot more info needed; I made some very good gains on 75 mg/ed tren, all weights went up and my B.W. went up @17 lbs with BF% dropping.

Fill in the blanks Bro'

 

[HighIntensity]

light weights

thought I said I knew what i was doing

if you want to see my workout its on the training board, it is a highly intense 6 days a week 2 bodypart split based on a pre-comp. program Arnold used.

Some will scream OVERTRAINING when looking at it, but it is well designed and takes maybe an hour at most to finish.

It incorprets dinasour training, isolation, highintensity supersets and exercises to strengthen the stabalizer muscles.

1cc would = 75 mgs eod split between the glutes and quads

one theory of mine is that I am at school, so the only time I really eat is at the cafe...which means 2 bulked meals throughout the day...so I think the absorbtion rate even with ALA is not as good as if it were spaced out in 5-7 smaller meals....

thus im going to steal food and eat it through the day

 

[badass_R1]

At 7% bodyfat you are going to have a hard time gaining anything. I mean that is super lean. I was always told fat is easier to turn into muscle than starting from scratch. Try being on it and having a limited diet. You want to talk about torture. I am as hunger as a horse, but I can't eat like I want to. For the fear of gaining to much weight.
I would try uping your carbs even more. Pasta, oatmeal all the good clean stuff. But that is all I can tell ya brotha. EAT EAT EAT! And then eat some more.

 

[barbell265]

Sounds like a winner to me! I think your on to something there. Your body is only going to absorbe so much and if your "maxing out" twice a day at the caff. then that could be your prob. When I was in college I kept a meal replacement/ protein shake with me almost all the time. As well as some nice clean carbs/fats like a bag of trail mix. I ate before I went to school, worked out, had breakfeast at the caff. went to class, snack, lunch, snack, work out again at school, snack go to work, have a healthy choice dinner,(there actually pretty good), went home and snacked again. I had food going in all the time! It worked good for me, I went up to 195 from 180 and maintained it, made so decent gains on the weights, but didn't do any gear.

I think your on to something w/ your food intake. Modify that and I think you'll see a change.

 

[Screwball]

You're overtraining. Plain & simple. If you'll cut your training and let your body recuperate then you will gain lean muscle mass.

 

[G-Man]

I agree with Screwball!!!!

G-Man

 

[Twitched]

...highly intense 6 days a week 2 bodypart split based on a pre-comp. program Arnold used....

Here's your problem. Your routine is complete shit.


Try going 3 or 4 days a week, 20 sets per day max. 3 sets of 4 per lift. Heavy compound lifts.

Squats, deadlifts, bent over barbell rows, incline db press, barbell benchpress, weighted dips, weighted wide grip chins, shrugs, straight leg deadlifts, standing barbell military press, closegrip bench, barbell curls.


Stuff like that.. 6 reps max per set..

It's plain obvious why you aren't gaining weight.

 

[FarBeyondDriven]

Gotta agree with both the training and diet advice. The schedule your on may be good for precontest but remember precontest ussually means that your not bulking up, ussually trying to cut while keeping mass. 6 days a week doesn't give your body time to rest and grow.

Plus I would do the Fina every day myself. Not a wiz kid when it comes to the charts and all the other stuff I have seen but common sense says it will maintain a steadier flow in your system.

How much are you sleeping? Thats another important aspect.

Besides all that whats kicking HI?

 

[tury]

you probably underestimated your body fat and you are loosing fat. your weight is probably constant because loss of fat is being replaced with muscle. You can verify this in your workout. As long as you keep getting stronger week by week, then you are gaining muscle and loosing fat. don't go by the scale.

 

[HighIntensity]

Here's your problem. Your routine is complete shit.


Try going 3 or 4 days a week, 20 sets per day max. 3 sets of 4 per lift. Heavy compound lifts.

Squats, deadlifts, bent over barbell rows, incline db press, barbell benchpress, weighted dips, weighted wide grip chins, shrugs, straight leg deadlifts, standing barbell military press, closegrip bench, barbell curls.


Stuff like that.. 6 reps max per set..

It's plain obvious why you aren't gaining weight.

hey fucknuts did you check out my training program or just post on a whim,

every exercise you just told me to do is in my program except the standing military press which I can not do because of a slight tear in my rotator cuff

by the way this is very close to a mirror image of arnolds program,

 

[HighIntensity]

you probably underestimated your body fat and you are loosing fat. your weight is probably constant because loss of fat is being replaced with muscle. You can verify this in your workout. As long as you keep getting stronger week by week, then you are gaining muscle and loosing fat. don't go by the scale.

good theory but not likely, I have had my BF tested so its not just a guess but in some regards I think I might have droped some water weight

 

[HighIntensity]

Gotta agree with both the training and diet advice. The schedule your on may be good for precontest but remember precontest ussually means that your not bulking up, ussually trying to cut while keeping mass. 6 days a week doesn't give your body time to rest and grow.

Plus I would do the Fina every day myself. Not a wiz kid when it comes to the charts and all the other stuff I have seen but common sense says it will maintain a steadier flow in your system.

How much are you sleeping? Thats another important aspect.

Besides all that whats kicking HI?

fbd

yea bro this semester im sleeping, im about to grad. this may then one summer session then job hunting time....hows balt.?

 

[Twitched]

hey fucknuts did you check out my training program or just post on a whim,

every exercise you just told me to do is in my program except the standing military press which I can not do because of a slight tear in my rotator cuff

by the way this is very close to a mirror image of arnolds program,

If you're not sporting Arnold's genetics, you shouldn't be doing his routine..

Everyone knows Arnolds routines are outdated and not effective for the non-genetic freaks..

 

[HighIntensity]

If you're not sporting Arnold's genetics, you shouldn't be doing his routine..

Everyone knows Arnolds routines are outdated and not effective for the non-genetic freaks..

can you read?

did i say it was arnolds exact program. nah, and yes you could call me somewhat of a gentic freak, maybe not weight wise but then again this is my first cycle so thats nothing a bulk cycle or two could nit fix...

none of this post was really ment to argue if im overtraining to each his own im happy with my body, more I have read of BB loseing weight while on tren so I wanted some input thanks

 

[Riker29]

I lov ethese guys, .... they post, ask for help and advice, and you give it to them abd they wont listen.

HEY if you KNOW the answer or wont listen to the answers, here is a thought - why waste our damned time then?


The bottom line:

Your training program is a bit extreme and not corrcet for whwt you want.

This BS of "its Arnolds Program" is a bunch of crpa. Did you train with Arnold? If you ask Arnold offocially what his drug regminen was, he will say he never did gear either.

Also, you will NOT be able to gain any LBM unless you consume some carbs. Period. You need that AND protein.

But since you wont listemn I guess you know all of this huh?

 

[HighIntensity]

I lov ethese guys, .... they post, ask for help and advice, and you give it to them abd they wont listen.

HEY if you KNOW the answer or wont listen to the answers, here is a thought - why waste our damned time then?


The bottom line:

Your training program is a bit extreme and not corrcet for whwt you want.

This BS of "its Arnolds Program" is a bunch of crpa. Did you train with Arnold? If you ask Arnold offocially what his drug regminen was, he will say he never did gear either.

Also, you will NOT be able to gain any LBM unless you consume some carbs. Period. You need that AND protein.

But since you wont listemn I guess you know all of this huh?

I may just delete this post because it has shown that many of our fine elite members can't read...

Yea I eat 6,000 cals a day and all of those are protien (duh), but I think in my first post I said I eat plenty of carbs, so your point was

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Oh wait your thread makes no sense, the reality is a listen to sound advice, how can your advice be sound when you say I don't eat carbs and I clearly stated I do? hmmm mcfly

and then twitched writes your not doing these exercises and yet I do all but one of them, dumb.

 

[Swoleyoley]

hey fucknuts did you check out my training program or just post on a whim,

program,

sounds like the fina is workinh just fine to me

 

[Twitched]

You can say what you want. You asked why you aren't gaining weight, and the reason is you are training 6 days a week.


And I didn't say you weren't doing those lifts, those lifts were just what you should be doing, provided you aren't already, 3 to 4 days a week.

I didn't bother to look at your workout because as soon as I saw "6 days a week" I knew it wasn't appropriate for someone looking to gain LBM.

 

[HighIntensity]

I want to appoligize for the outbursts, thanks for any input...

twitched to be truthful, I have thought about cutting down the days, which would lesson some of my definition and seperation but probley increase weight and mass


peace

 

[HighIntensity]

I will add though that 5 days of upper body work, one of those being almost all seperation and definition is in no way overtraining and counterproductive...

prove me wrong if you think not,

finally point being not spaceing my cals. out was the main reason for non weight gain,

because I have gained an inch or more on all my muscles meaning that growth is still occuring

 

[Twitched]

And I'm sorry for saying your routine was "shit".. That is enough to throw anyone on the offensive.

You should do whatever works best for you.. if 5-6 days works well, then go with that. I think its just good to go 180 degrees when your body stops responding. Maybe I will work out 6 days a week for a while when 3 days stops responding .

I do think you're right about the tradeoff for seperation for mass, I guess I jumped to the conclusion too early that mass at all costs was the short term goal.. sorry about that

*shakes your hand*