WTF Gyno????

[cj89899]

I am not a rookie. I have done many cycles, some without any kind of anti-est and I have never been prone to gyno. I have done a cycle in the last year and had no issues, I always take Nolva and A-dex now. I just started a cycle 6 days ago and I have gyno for the first time ever!!! I am on 500 test enth/wk,100 ten ace/day, 2mg A-dex/day, 20 Nolva/day. I know what Gyno is. I have seen it and felt it and that is what I have. I am not concered because I know how to take care of it but I am just confused where it came from. Before my cycle I took some Oxavar which is 17a-methly-3-oxo-19 norandrostene-4, 17-diol. I never took it before. It is a andro product they took off the market that I had from a year or more ago. Could the andro be it??? Sorry for the long question.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

hi. pharmacist.

1) dont be sorry for long questions. be sorry for not paragraphing instead

2) your body, hormone cascade, sensitivity to drugs and to said hormone cascade change over time. what you do at age 20 with no sides will not neccessarily be side effect free at age 30, or 40, or 50 - so it may be a perviously used drug that has done it.

yes it may have been the hormone you mentioned.

or it may be something completely unrelated to your drug use and instead be a consequence of some normal, natural change in your body chemistry/drug sensitivity/receptor distribution bla bla bla and may even have occurred even if you never used roids in your life

cheers

 

[sparetire]

it's the tren ace bro. better get some bromo or cabergoline. tren ace got me also. did plenty of cycles and first time with tren - waam! gyno..6 months later...surgery

 

[cj89899]

it's the tren ace bro. better get some bromo or cabergoline. tren ace got me also. did plenty of cycles and first time with tren - waam! gyno..6 months later...surgery

Shouldn't the arimidex cover the tren sides? I am taking 2mg/day which is a lot.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Tren is most likely the culprit.... tren doesn't aromatize but it still causes progestegenic (sp?) gyno.... arimidex won't do much for that, even at high dosages... and stop taking nolvadex as it could aggrevate this type of gyno when progestins (tren, deca) are present. You might want to take something to reduce your prolactin levels as a precaution (dostinex or selegiline)....and I read somewhere that aromasin might help with progestin-related gyno.

 

[smoke67]

Tren is most likely the culprit.... tren doesn't aromatize but it still causes progestegenic (sp?) gyno.... arimidex won't do much for that, even at high dosages... and stop taking nolvadex as it could aggrevate this type of gyno when progestins (tren, deca) are present. You might want to take something to reduce your prolactin levels as a precaution (dostinex or selegiline)....and I read somewhere that aromasin might help with progestin-related gyno.

Good advise above!


I have ridden in that boat!
Quite a few cycles with no probs at all. Several in my 20's with no AI's or PCT. NEVER had a problem. Last year a test and deca cycle with low doses compared to most and BANG, hello gyno.
I dropped the deca, stayed on nolva and increased the adex, took care of the prob in several weeks.

 

[Castro_bigdog]

Nolva will help your problem, I hope bro. Next time you run a big cycle I always tell broz to ad Proviron to the mix I love it.......... I have not got smacked with Bit*h Tits yet and hope I never do but I always try to keep the anti e around for back up....

 

[cj89899]

Nolva will help your problem, I hope bro. Next time you run a big cycle I always tell broz to ad Proviron to the mix I love it.......... I have not got smacked with Bit*h Tits yet and hope I never do but I always try to keep the anti e around for back up....

Dude, don't give advice unless you are sure. I did research and others mentioned above that the Nolva will only make it worse.

 

[Bigchest]

I've read somewhere that progesterone related gyno can't develop when there is no estrogen in your body. You were taking enough AI to assume there wasn't allot. Hmmm....interesting.

 

[beachstud]

I've read somewhere that progesterone related gyno can't develop when there is no estrogen in your body. You were taking enough AI to assume there wasn't allot. Hmmm....interesting.

No, I think what you read is wrong. Progesterone related gyno is absoultely possible. Besides, rarely would you have 'no' estrogen in your body unless you were on a high dose of letro.

Definitely stop the Nolva. Macrophage has warned many about this and he is ridiculously knowledgeable.

If I remember right, Arimidex is a very poor choice for progestogenic gyno control. Aromasin or AIFM are decent choices but cabergoline (dostinex) is even better (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Arimidex and Nolva are possibly the two worst ancillaries you could be taking with a progestogenic like Tren.

 

[Twoguns]

what about letrozole? will that help here?

 

[cj89899]

No, I think what you read is wrong. Progesterone related gyno is absoultely possible. Besides, rarely would you have 'no' estrogen in your body unless you were on a high dose of letro.

Definitely stop the Nolva. Macrophage has warned many about this and he is ridiculously knowledgeable.

If I remember right, Arimidex is a very poor choice for progestogenic gyno control. Aromasin or AIFM are decent choices but cabergoline (dostinex) is even better (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Arimidex and Nolva are possibly the two worst ancillaries you could be taking with a progestogenic like Tren.

Thanks man. I have been told to stop the Nolva by any people today. However, before being told to do so this morning I doubled my dose of Nolva and the gyno when down significantly by this evening. This is wack. I don't know what to do. However, I do have Dostinex coming. I am not concerned yet cause the gyno is not visible and it is very manageable at this point, plus I will have everything on hand. My main goal here is to figure out where the gyno is coming from and which product is going to work for me.

 

[beachstud]

Thanks man. I have been told to stop the Nolva by any people today. However, before being told to do so this morning I doubled my dose of Nolva and the gyno when down significantly by this evening. This is wack. I don't know what to do. However, I do have Dostinex coming. I am not concerned yet cause the gyno is not visible and it is very manageable at this point, plus I will have everything on hand. My main goal here is to figure out where the gyno is coming from and which product is going to work for me.

Hey whatever works. My concern is that the Nolva may be helping with the gyno but in a few days your dick will look like a turtle hiding from danger.