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jennifer BFL chick
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no offense, but fuck welfare----at least people that are on it longer then a couple of months....thats complete bullshit
p0ink
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jennifer said:
amen. im sick and tired of seeing white trash and lazy minority people with their brood of kool-aid stained children leeching off the system. why would their be any ambition on their part to go get a job, when they can recieve free money, food, shelter, medicaid, dental, etc. etc.
jennifer BFL chick
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yep----and it also contributes to shity shows like Ricki Lake and Jerry Springer.
If I found myself in the position where I had no choice but to mooch off the government (which is highly unlikely) I would do my best to get back on my feet ASAP. I would be damn ashamed, especially if I had kids---that's just gross to me. Keep your damn cocks and pink tacos in your shit stained panties.
If I found myself in the position where I had no choice but to mooch off the government (which is highly unlikely) I would do my best to get back on my feet ASAP. I would be damn ashamed, especially if I had kids---that's just gross to me. Keep your damn cocks and pink tacos in your shit stained panties.
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VooDoo Lady
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jennifer said:
Damn...awfully harsh there Jennifer
jennifer BFL chick
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VooDoo Lady said:
I know lots of people that are on welfare and have been on walfare ALL OF THIER LIVES! It does get to me. I know that there are times when people honestly need help, and thats great that there is welfare, but for the most part, people really aren't trying to get off of it.
Lao Tzu
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I fail to see your logic. next time you apply for college, look at the fee schedule. it will probably say something like this
In state resident $120 a credit hour
Out of state resident $340 a credit hour
The point is that insults against welfare are biased against the socially inferior (women, sluts, non whites). Suburban white people who collect welfare (in the form of corporate welfare, student welfare, or inflated defense contracts) aren't insulted. In a very exaggerated way, it is no different than jim crow laws of 100 years ago, the socially inferior are singled out for acts that the socially accepted are allowed to get away with.
(conservative philosophy)
AFDC - bad
student welfare - what is that?
food stamps - bad
corporate subsidies - what's a subsidy?
What about the national debt? 360 billion a year in interest, most of it going to rich bankers so they can give the taxpayers their money back.
In state resident $120 a credit hour
Out of state resident $340 a credit hour
The point is that insults against welfare are biased against the socially inferior (women, sluts, non whites). Suburban white people who collect welfare (in the form of corporate welfare, student welfare, or inflated defense contracts) aren't insulted. In a very exaggerated way, it is no different than jim crow laws of 100 years ago, the socially inferior are singled out for acts that the socially accepted are allowed to get away with.
(conservative philosophy)
AFDC - bad
student welfare - what is that?
food stamps - bad
corporate subsidies - what's a subsidy?
What about the national debt? 360 billion a year in interest, most of it going to rich bankers so they can give the taxpayers their money back.
jennifer BFL chick
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Yeah, there's a big difference. I pay for school out of my pocket 100%. no grants, loans, financial aid, ect (not saying those are bad) and just because the school costs less to residents, how is that using welfare?
CanadianCripple
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Welfare should be for the mentally & (extremely) physically disabled... & that's only temporary. Just until the physically disabled can be moved into the workforce. Hell, the smartest guy on the planet has ALS & can hardly move a muscle.
Madd Hatter
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You think it pisses you off .... I work at a convenience store that must be in "that" part of town. Here's a few examples of food stamp users:
-the guy that comes in every morning, buys cigarettes, $10-$30 in scratch tickets, cup of coffee (sometimes with his stamps). He may come back later in the day and buy some of our overpriced groceries with his stamps.
-the lady that comes in with pop cans that can't even count how many she has, then uses the change she gets from her food stamp buying $.25 snacks to buy cigarettes
-a half dozen others that come in nightly and buy 6 or 12pks of beer
-the 20 yr old girl with a kid and a 17 yr old worthless shit of a bf who buys fountain drinks with stamps. Her bf will come in almost every day and lay down $4.23 for Marlboros. They drive a white trash 83 Firebird. His arm is in a cast more often than not, I think it's an anger mgmt thing (hitting walls), or he gets in lots of fights.
All these people seem physically fine, and they come in all hours of the day (i.e. they don't work). It makes me fucking want to puke on them thinking I'm supporting these worthless fucks.
The point here is none of these people should be getting my money. If you're on FS, you don't need to be buying cigs, beer, or lottery tickets. You don't even need to be buying your groceries from a fucking overpriced c-store. Hike your ass to the grocery store.
-the guy that comes in every morning, buys cigarettes, $10-$30 in scratch tickets, cup of coffee (sometimes with his stamps). He may come back later in the day and buy some of our overpriced groceries with his stamps.
-the lady that comes in with pop cans that can't even count how many she has, then uses the change she gets from her food stamp buying $.25 snacks to buy cigarettes
-a half dozen others that come in nightly and buy 6 or 12pks of beer
-the 20 yr old girl with a kid and a 17 yr old worthless shit of a bf who buys fountain drinks with stamps. Her bf will come in almost every day and lay down $4.23 for Marlboros. They drive a white trash 83 Firebird. His arm is in a cast more often than not, I think it's an anger mgmt thing (hitting walls), or he gets in lots of fights.
All these people seem physically fine, and they come in all hours of the day (i.e. they don't work). It makes me fucking want to puke on them thinking I'm supporting these worthless fucks.
The point here is none of these people should be getting my money. If you're on FS, you don't need to be buying cigs, beer, or lottery tickets. You don't even need to be buying your groceries from a fucking overpriced c-store. Hike your ass to the grocery store.
Madd Hatter works in a goddam convenience store and is therefore qualified to be an expert sociologist. LMFAO. What the fuck do you people know about the real world? Only that you are socially and morally superior to people that need help.
There are alot of military families that need to use food stamps because military pay isn't sufficient to support a family. They are hardly "worthless fucks".
nordstrom is correct. Wake up, kiddies. Guess who subsidizes the lower tuition rates for state residents? Anyone who answered TAXPAYERS gets an A for the day. The lower tuition that you enjoy is no different than the handouts that you are all bitching about here. You are sucking at the public teat, too. Learn some compassion and get your heads out of your state-college-taxpayer-educated asses.
There are alot of military families that need to use food stamps because military pay isn't sufficient to support a family. They are hardly "worthless fucks".
nordstrom is correct. Wake up, kiddies. Guess who subsidizes the lower tuition rates for state residents? Anyone who answered TAXPAYERS gets an A for the day. The lower tuition that you enjoy is no different than the handouts that you are all bitching about here. You are sucking at the public teat, too. Learn some compassion and get your heads out of your state-college-taxpayer-educated asses.
HumorMe
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Hangfire said:
Hangfire
I didn't say he was an expert but he does point out the scum he does see. I probably know just as much about the real world as you do. We are real close in age and I have seen my fair share of what goes on in the real world. Some people tend to look at the world through rose colored glasses but I choose not to.
I don't think there is one post on this thread that says military recipients are "worthless fucks." I understand that some people need help in their day to day lives to simply exist but it's the people who don't try and better themselves and try and support themselves that gets in everybody's craw. The government has taken away all incentives to hold down a job these days and support yourself and/or family. I have had prospective part-time employees tell me they can make more on welfare than they can working so why work! They do have a point but it is a lame one to say the least. Before anybody says, "Why don't you pay them more?", I did say Part-time employees and not full-time.
Nordstrom is correct, I agree! I'm all for supporting higher education and rarely will you ever hear me bitch about paying higher taxes to support it. I would rather have college students in school learning and expanding their knowledge than a bunch of cracked-out crackheads dealing on the corner in my town.
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p0ink said:
It sickens me to know that when I pay taxes that sinks money into the economy, which in turn helps corporations create more school girl dresses for you to wear & toilets that you enjoy putting your g/f's head in for your twisted sexual enjoyment. I dont like that one bit.
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Pamela
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There is way to much mooching off the goverment!!!
One day what's going to happen when we run out money to
keep this up?
One day what's going to happen when we run out money to
keep this up?
HumorMe said:
HumorMe,
Your age shows (no offfense) in your reasoned response. I threw away the rose-colored glasses about 25 years ago.---about as long as some of the people writing on this post have been alive. I found Madd Hatter's post to be the most hateful among a bunch of posts that are throwing around generalizations about people they don't know. One thing I have learned is that there is a story behind every story.
The general implication was there in the tone of the post. As you know, I only used the military as an example that doesn't fit the "worthless fuck" stereotype that was being built. Sure, there are professional welfare abusers and they need to be thrown out of the system. But not every welfare recipient is trash. I agree that there are no incentives (other than personal pride) to keep a job that is only marginally better income than welfare. That is the point where I would rather spend more taxpayer money to train those folks, while they are receiveing benefits, for a job that will take them beyond that A/B decision. After that, they're on their own.
I agree completely about higher education. I just think that younger folks that are benefitting from the public largess (kids, go look it up next time you're in the taxpayers' library) need to recognize that fact and not be so quick to look down their noses at people in different situations that they know nothing about.
Robert Jan
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Im always so surprised about these anti welfare opinions of US citizens... I mean, The usa gives their poor folk the least out of most first world countries. and still you think its way too much etc.
My father is a triple Uni graduate, Hes a dentist, a chemist and a doctor. He got seriously hurt in a motorcycle accident in `94 and he cant work anymore. 95% of people who this happens to get shoved into welfare as the justice system is corrupt and close covering as shit. Luckily we made it and were the 5% that actually gets some more money than that, we did get the money that income insurance promises for like 40% (thats very rare)
We havent got it thick. But if society really was as right wing as you people suggest, Neither me or my sister who is now in law school, could ever finish our education and contribute to the nation.
My father worked for many years paying his taxes. Now he cant, hes fucking 62 years old too. It would be unthankful as shit to just let him figure shit out himself. My mom even returned to work as a nurse where she only earns very little $.
I find the way you generalize towards people who receive government help very offensive.
I know there must be plenty of inbred redneck shitholes who dont even try and just leech off everybody. But guess what, any system has leeches. theres always a few trying to mess up for the majority. I dont think we should let them.
My father is a triple Uni graduate, Hes a dentist, a chemist and a doctor. He got seriously hurt in a motorcycle accident in `94 and he cant work anymore. 95% of people who this happens to get shoved into welfare as the justice system is corrupt and close covering as shit. Luckily we made it and were the 5% that actually gets some more money than that, we did get the money that income insurance promises for like 40% (thats very rare)
We havent got it thick. But if society really was as right wing as you people suggest, Neither me or my sister who is now in law school, could ever finish our education and contribute to the nation.
My father worked for many years paying his taxes. Now he cant, hes fucking 62 years old too. It would be unthankful as shit to just let him figure shit out himself. My mom even returned to work as a nurse where she only earns very little $.
I find the way you generalize towards people who receive government help very offensive.
I know there must be plenty of inbred redneck shitholes who dont even try and just leech off everybody. But guess what, any system has leeches. theres always a few trying to mess up for the majority. I dont think we should let them.
Okay how about this...
The man I work with, 59 years old. Took early retirement to enjoy life. His oldest son, a real fuck up, got sent to jail for 10 years. So his wife, 4 kids, got to go on welfare. She gets $400 a month and $500 in food stamps. She has plenty of food, but can not pay for a place to live. So the father-in-law, my co-worker, went back to work to help her out. What would you all have her do? Leave the 4 small children at home and go to work? Pay for daycare, any of you with kids know this is $100-300 per child a month. Please tell me what all of you would tell her.
Maybe "fuck off bitch your not my problem"
Maybe "you should have used a condom"
Maybe "you should have made better choises in life"
None of those feed the kids or keeps them out of the rain.
The man I work with, 59 years old. Took early retirement to enjoy life. His oldest son, a real fuck up, got sent to jail for 10 years. So his wife, 4 kids, got to go on welfare. She gets $400 a month and $500 in food stamps. She has plenty of food, but can not pay for a place to live. So the father-in-law, my co-worker, went back to work to help her out. What would you all have her do? Leave the 4 small children at home and go to work? Pay for daycare, any of you with kids know this is $100-300 per child a month. Please tell me what all of you would tell her.
Maybe "fuck off bitch your not my problem"
Maybe "you should have used a condom"
Maybe "you should have made better choises in life"
None of those feed the kids or keeps them out of the rain.
jennifer BFL chick
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Many people work 2-3 jobs just to get by while other people sit on their asses and watch Blind Date---I think its pretty lame....
Of course there are people who really benefit from welfare and its a great thing that we have that option.
Its just the people who abuse the system that get to me
Of course there are people who really benefit from welfare and its a great thing that we have that option.
Its just the people who abuse the system that get to me
I understand that. I dislike it as well. But how would you stop one without stopping the other?
This is the problem with all charity. You must put youself in a postion to be taken advantage of to help the ones that need it.
If you can fix this part of human nature, I am sure you can make people stop killing, robbing, raping, ect...
This is the problem with all charity. You must put youself in a postion to be taken advantage of to help the ones that need it.
If you can fix this part of human nature, I am sure you can make people stop killing, robbing, raping, ect...
Robert Jan
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I dont think bums are the first thing to worry about when your thinking about where your money goes to.
the amount of money that actually goes there from what you make is so incredibly minimal.
better stuff to worry about whats done with it imo
the amount of money that actually goes there from what you make is so incredibly minimal.
better stuff to worry about whats done with it imo
CanadianCripple
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Fish said:
Maybe she could go to work & the grandfather/parents could take care of the kids. My Mom raised 3 boys on her own, without support from my "dad", by working and never once took welfare. We were far from rich, but did have a very comfortable life. All three of us are Univ. educated as well. So it can be done without falling into the "welfare trap".
the nature boy
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while I agree welfare is a bad thing, as nordstrom points out, nobody really gives a shit about corporate welfare, which costs WAY more to the average taxpayer than social welfare, but in essence is the same thing. the only difference is that cooporations that recieve this kind of welfare contribute to political campaigns while the poor and downtrodden do not.
oh well.
oh well.
Madd Hatter
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HumorMe handled it pretty well for me in his response, but since Hangfire kept going I just want to say....
I have no problem with military recipients (of which no person that comes into my store is). I have no problem with welfare going to the few who truly deserve it. The hate in my "hateful" posts goes to the people cited that come into my store. Yes, I do know their story. When they come in day after day, several times a day, you can read it in their actions and words. They should NOT be getting help from taxpayers (me).
My feelings on this topic are similar to my feelings on obesity. There is a very small proportion who truly can not do anything about their position/condition, and these people my support (literally). Then there's a much larger number who are just irresponsible fucks mooching off/being a drain on others. These are the people I'd love to ship to a deserted island.
Also, since it's been implied that I'm "immature" let me say that I am young, but am college-educated and can be quite intellectual, but I also have deeply held beliefs and can get quite worked up over certain topics.
Thank you, drive thru.
I have no problem with military recipients (of which no person that comes into my store is). I have no problem with welfare going to the few who truly deserve it. The hate in my "hateful" posts goes to the people cited that come into my store. Yes, I do know their story. When they come in day after day, several times a day, you can read it in their actions and words. They should NOT be getting help from taxpayers (me).
My feelings on this topic are similar to my feelings on obesity. There is a very small proportion who truly can not do anything about their position/condition, and these people my support (literally). Then there's a much larger number who are just irresponsible fucks mooching off/being a drain on others. These are the people I'd love to ship to a deserted island.
Also, since it's been implied that I'm "immature" let me say that I am young, but am college-educated and can be quite intellectual, but I also have deeply held beliefs and can get quite worked up over certain topics.
Thank you, drive thru.
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Hangfire said:
I don't feel Madd Hatter's was hateful per se. I do believe that based on what he has seen and experienced, he is disgusted with the welfare system in general.
The kind of people he speaks of can be seen everyday of the year sitting on the street corner or hanging around behind the neighborhood liquor stores or congregating on vacant lots in the city. I see these people everyday of the year and they are basically a waste of flesh.
A quick story about abuse of the welfare system. I was in a grocery store buying just a few items and there was this huge guy in front of me with two shopping carts full of all kinds of steaks. When his total was rung up and he was checking out, he reached into one of his front pockets and pulled out a wad of cash that could choke a mule. He stuck it back in his pocket and reached into his other pocket with the same result. He finally reached into his back pocket and pulled out food stamps to pay for everything. He loaded everything up in his brand new Cadillac in the parking lot! That is very disgusting in my opinion. Those are the kind of people who should be strung up!
Corporate welfare and/or government welfare are basically messed up in general but what do you do? Take it away and the people who need it and depend on it are pretty much screwed. I really don't know what the answer is.
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Madd Hatter is right on the fuckin money!!!!!
Seriously, most of you guys and most people in general, have NO CLUE about how bad welfare is being abused.
I'm a butcher in a supermarket(full time) and I go to school (part time). I got fuckin transfered to this store, its in a lower class part of town, right across the street from the welfare office and the free clinic.
I litterly get sick to my stomach, when I see just how badly welfare is abused.
I have no dought in my mind, that if you guys could see how bad it is, you would freak out.
Seriously, most of you guys and most people in general, have NO CLUE about how bad welfare is being abused.
I'm a butcher in a supermarket(full time) and I go to school (part time). I got fuckin transfered to this store, its in a lower class part of town, right across the street from the welfare office and the free clinic.
I litterly get sick to my stomach, when I see just how badly welfare is abused.
I have no dought in my mind, that if you guys could see how bad it is, you would freak out.
Apparently, you think I am in favor of public welfare. I am not---at least not as it exists today. There have been generations that have been swept up in the entitlement mentality and that is where the first changes need to be made. My hunky-dory view of the transition to an emplyoyable taxpayer is one where the taxpayers would, one last time, pay for compulsory skills training for the youngest generation of welfare recipients. Once that is done, it is time to make a decision: get a job or starve. The only reason we don't do it is that the politicians don't have the stomach for it come election time. Single teenage mothers, you say? Track down the fathers and compel them to pay for child support. Easier said than done, I know but, after all, it IS the law.
As far as military personnel needing assistance, many are locked into multi-year obligations and can't just walk away. Besides, I don't have a problem with picking up the tab for military personnel's education, medical insurance, and retirement benefits in exchange for the service they provide, i.e.: I sleep safely at night.
We can all make judgements based on our observations and experiences. Lets just admit that sometimes those judgements might be flawed due to limited scope of experience or exposure. Personally, I have seen much more than I cared to see and I do speak from experience. Anyone who has a problem with providing for every whim of the general populace need only go back 38 years where it all began with the Left, and where it is perpetuated today. Being a member of the Right, I am trying to balance my opposition to the nanny state of the Great Society with my belief that every person that really needs help should get it--just not for life.
As far as military personnel needing assistance, many are locked into multi-year obligations and can't just walk away. Besides, I don't have a problem with picking up the tab for military personnel's education, medical insurance, and retirement benefits in exchange for the service they provide, i.e.: I sleep safely at night.
We can all make judgements based on our observations and experiences. Lets just admit that sometimes those judgements might be flawed due to limited scope of experience or exposure. Personally, I have seen much more than I cared to see and I do speak from experience. Anyone who has a problem with providing for every whim of the general populace need only go back 38 years where it all began with the Left, and where it is perpetuated today. Being a member of the Right, I am trying to balance my opposition to the nanny state of the Great Society with my belief that every person that really needs help should get it--just not for life.
To post on and on about how bad any given thing is, but give no soulution is immature. Great you think the system is bad. So how would you fix it? Have you been poor? I have not. I have great parents that have helped me all through life. Not all people have that. My best fiend was "abandoned" on his 18th birthday. His parnets sold their house, bought an rv and 5lbs of cocain. He did not see them again for 6 years. He made it with no help, because of people like you. He did not want to be the weak sponge on society. If he would have looked for help, he could have gone to college. He could have been more than he is now. Instead he is a brick layer. Back problems at 27, and no end in sight. We are the richest county in the world. If you own a house you are in the top 1% in overall world wealth. Not if you have a million, if you own your house. Maybe you should lighten up. So much waste in our society and you have to pick on our poorest people. Like kicking sand in the little guys face to show how tough you are.
the nature boy
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cockdezl said:
gee you really got him there.
musclebrains
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Whatta pack of bumper-sticker argumentation.
The percentage of the US budget going to AFDC is just over 1 percent and, if you add food stamps, it's 2.8 percent. Hardly anyone derives benefit from the program for more than 2 years -- the vast majority for about 7 months.
The AFDC budget is only slightly more than the American foreign aid budget -- and the percentage of the GDP we allocate to foreign aid is the lowest among major nations.
The largest expense is Social SEcurity followed by defense, medicare, medicaid and the federal debt.
So about 2.8 percent of your tax dollars go to public welfare of the sort you're griping about here.
The percentage of the US budget going to AFDC is just over 1 percent and, if you add food stamps, it's 2.8 percent. Hardly anyone derives benefit from the program for more than 2 years -- the vast majority for about 7 months.
The AFDC budget is only slightly more than the American foreign aid budget -- and the percentage of the GDP we allocate to foreign aid is the lowest among major nations.
The largest expense is Social SEcurity followed by defense, medicare, medicaid and the federal debt.
So about 2.8 percent of your tax dollars go to public welfare of the sort you're griping about here.
Lao Tzu
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musclebrains said:
I keep telling people that and they don't listen.
Roughly 2 trillion a year in taxes
$400 billion defense
$400 billion social security
$400 billion medicaid/medicare
$360 billion interest for the national debt
$150 billion corporate subsidies
$60 billion student welfare
$22 billion ADFC
$22 billion food stamps
the nature boy
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musclebrains said:
i'd like to see someone on the other side respond to this.
It is so easy to pick on these people.
Nordstrom - nice post. You da man, sometimes...hee hee
Musclebrains - you stole my post you.....informed jerk.
Actually the Social Security number is closer to $500B and you left out another one that keeps growing - federal pensions, about $85B.
Nordstrom - nice post. You da man, sometimes...hee hee
Musclebrains - you stole my post you.....informed jerk.
Actually the Social Security number is closer to $500B and you left out another one that keeps growing - federal pensions, about $85B.
fistfullofsteel
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MattTheSkywalker said:
How can I retire like a congressman or a senator?
musclebrains said:
I guess you don't realize that I don't specify only AFDC and WIC type programs, but all of the social benefit programs, such as Social Security and Health Care. Do you believe that welfare recipients buy private insurance to cover their health costs? Do you think that they send their children to private schools with welfare money? Do you think that the after school programs are paid for by donations of the Democratic Party? Do you think that the new program that Bush is advocating to help minorities buy their own homes are going to be paid for by Enron?
You might fool others by pulling out only certain programs and counting up their costs, but it is obvious that their effects are further reaching than you wish to portray.
musclebrains
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Yeah, right. You were ALSO talking about the two or three generations of people living off Social Security, the people on SS who don't contribute anything to society -- and the original poster was likewise referring to Florida retirees collecting government-funded pensions.
Not even a good try. But ridiculous enough to demonstrate why argument with you is pointless.
Not even a good try. But ridiculous enough to demonstrate why argument with you is pointless.
fistfullofsteel said:
Get elected.
That $85B number includes all federal employees: Congress, military, civil service etc.
fistfullofsteel
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MattTheSkywalker said:
Wodin had a post about the retirement package of congressmen and damn it's a sweet package.
VOTE FFOS FOR CONGRESS I promise not to lie to your face.
fistfullofsteel said:
Congressmen don't pay Social Security and retire at 100% pay.
fistfullofsteel
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MattTheSkywalker said:
My first objective as a congressman will be to give ourselves another pay increase.
VOTE FFOS. HE DOESN'T TAKE BRIBES. if they are under $100,000
