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why are you using thryoid meds?
I'm 5'5 118lb. and my fat percentage is not were I want it. I do fitness modeling and have a show and photo shoot coming up in two weeks and I am having difficulty losing the weight. My husband has taken it before and had great results before a show. Nevertheless, I have never used anything like it. I would just like to make sure that this is not harmful for women. Everyone I know who has used it are all male competitors
lilred
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The combination of T3 and Clenbuterol has changed many physiques in this day and age. T3 is often used in the medical field to treat obese people. Wolman SI and company did an experiment in which obese patients were treated with 20mcg of T3 three times a day. The research showed a significant increase in weight-loss with no noted adverse side effects. Ventz M. did a similar experiment using 200mcg of T3 a day. T3 is highly effective and, if done correctly, safe. Doses of 150+mcg have been shown to significantly increase the chances of permanent thyroid shutdown. So I recommend using no more than 100mcg a day for no longer than 2 weeks at a time. (1,2)
Clenbuterol is a recently popular drug used by athletes in many sports for its purported anabolic effects and reduction of subcutaneous fat. It is a beta-2 (beta 2) agonist prescribed overseas as a bronchodilator, but not approved for use in this country. Clenbuterol indeed increases the deposition rate of lean mass and retards adipose gain. Clenbuterol is most often found in the form of .02mcg tablets. Male athletes tend to use 5-8 tablets a day. Female athletes tend to use 4-6 tablets a day. Much like T3, Clenbuterol should not be used for over 2 weeks in a row. Spread your doses throughout the day. (3)
With the use of T3 and Clenbuterol, expect to see your body-fat melt away but only if you use the right diet and workouts. I suggest you use the Bodyopus diet and do early-morning endurance exercises. If you are not familiar with the diet, I suggest you buy the book Bodyopus written by Dan Duchaine.
So here is what your fat-loss cycling should look like:
Day 1: 2 tablets of Clenbuterol and 25mcg of T3
Day 2: 3 tablets of Clenbuterol and 50mcg of T3
Days 3-10: 4 tablets of Clenbuterol and 75mcg of T3
Days 11 & 12: 3 tablets of Clenbuterol and 50mcg of T3
Days 13 & 14: 2 tablets of Clenbuterol and 25mcg of T3
Days 15 to 28: no T3 or Clenbuterol
Once you reach day 28, you can start over again at 1. Repeat this cycle as many times as it takes to achieve your desired fat-loss. And remember, you have to follow a good diet and do a lot of cardio
This is from Female Steroid Usage 101
I can't stand the sides from Clen, myself. I do take the cytomel but not as described above. I take it for 6 weeks on and then about 2 months off. Starting with 25 mcg and working up to 100 mcg and then weening off the last week. I have not really experienced any sides. Hope this helps.
Clenbuterol is a recently popular drug used by athletes in many sports for its purported anabolic effects and reduction of subcutaneous fat. It is a beta-2 (beta 2) agonist prescribed overseas as a bronchodilator, but not approved for use in this country. Clenbuterol indeed increases the deposition rate of lean mass and retards adipose gain. Clenbuterol is most often found in the form of .02mcg tablets. Male athletes tend to use 5-8 tablets a day. Female athletes tend to use 4-6 tablets a day. Much like T3, Clenbuterol should not be used for over 2 weeks in a row. Spread your doses throughout the day. (3)
With the use of T3 and Clenbuterol, expect to see your body-fat melt away but only if you use the right diet and workouts. I suggest you use the Bodyopus diet and do early-morning endurance exercises. If you are not familiar with the diet, I suggest you buy the book Bodyopus written by Dan Duchaine.
So here is what your fat-loss cycling should look like:
Day 1: 2 tablets of Clenbuterol and 25mcg of T3
Day 2: 3 tablets of Clenbuterol and 50mcg of T3
Days 3-10: 4 tablets of Clenbuterol and 75mcg of T3
Days 11 & 12: 3 tablets of Clenbuterol and 50mcg of T3
Days 13 & 14: 2 tablets of Clenbuterol and 25mcg of T3
Days 15 to 28: no T3 or Clenbuterol
Once you reach day 28, you can start over again at 1. Repeat this cycle as many times as it takes to achieve your desired fat-loss. And remember, you have to follow a good diet and do a lot of cardio
This is from Female Steroid Usage 101
I can't stand the sides from Clen, myself. I do take the cytomel but not as described above. I take it for 6 weeks on and then about 2 months off. Starting with 25 mcg and working up to 100 mcg and then weening off the last week. I have not really experienced any sides. Hope this helps.
Sassy69
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T3 works the same for men & women, i.e. no special sides for women. But you do realize that it eats muscle AND fat, yes? Most male BB's in competition are probably also using AAS which will help to preserve muscle, thus leaving primarily the fat loss effect.
In your case how much bodyfat are you looking to lose? What is your planned T3 dosage? Any other supps? What is your diet & training? Its sort of hard to force some quick change in your body in 2 weeks, other than water weight loss.
In your case how much bodyfat are you looking to lose? What is your planned T3 dosage? Any other supps? What is your diet & training? Its sort of hard to force some quick change in your body in 2 weeks, other than water weight loss.
Sassy69
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Well that's part of it ..."max"... depends on how optimal your thyroid is workign now, how long you are planning to run your cycle and how long you have to taper down. T3 you don't really just pick a dosage and start popping it because you are providing artificial source of a hormone that your body produces. More isn't always better - but supplementing an amount that optimizes your thyroid's function I guess is the goal.
lilred
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I have extremely slow metabolisim so working out is a must for me. I get fat if I look at certain foods to long! When I was a bit younger I asked the Dr. to check my thyroid but he kind of blew me off. I have a different Dr. now. I think I am going to have my thyroid checked the next time I go.
Sassy69
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If you suspect a thyroid problem, DEFINITELY see a doc and get an appropriate script. Do NOT attempt to self medicate w/ thyroid medication. It can sometimes be hard to diagnose hypothyroidism, because there are lots of people who are borderline by the tests but still have all the symptoms. If that is the case continue to seek a doc who has some specific experience with it. But just if you have a hard time losing weight, that could be a million things and not specifically your thyroid. Look to a solid & consistent diet & training program first.
lilred
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You are so right! I have more of a problem with undereating than overeating though. It seems to cause problems. I really can't do the breakfast thing. Latlely though I try to have at least a protien shake first thing in the morning, and then some kinda fiber cereal mid-morning. For a long time there I was not having anything till dinner time. I have changed my eating habits over the past 3 months or so and there has been some improvment. I will be seeing the Dr. next month.
Thanks ladies for your replies. I am only tring to lose around 5-6lbs of fat not water. I am not sure of the dosage as of yet. I was primarly relying on my husband for dosage. Nonetheless, I wanted to get as much info from the ladies and there experience with it.
As far as I can tell, no to cytomel and yes to clen. And to make sure, T3 is themoroix?( not sure of spelling).
As far as I can tell, no to cytomel and yes to clen. And to make sure, T3 is themoroix?( not sure of spelling).
In 2 weeks, I am not sure T3 is going to do a whole lot. Especially if you are thinking of tapering dose up. LIke previously mentioned, T3 is not something that you just start taking X amount of. There is no "cut and dry" dose we can give you. Indidivuals respond to different doses - all depending on their individual hormone levels.
T3 is not something just to take on a whim. You should have been doing this research ages ago. In my opinion, pre-show you should NOT be playing with unknown substances. You have NO idea what your reaction will be. This experiment SHOULD have been done months ago.
Additionally, you need to really read what Sassy said. T3 can be VERY catabolic. If you are not supplementing with AAS, you will likely lose MUSCLE with some fat. This will bring your overall metabolism down, plus make you softer. I cannot imagaine this is the look you are striving for.
Like she said, MOST male BB competitors are taking some AAS with the T3. This is why they do not lose muscle.
I do NOT think this is a good idea.
2 weeks out? You will get more benefit from diet and water manipulation.
T3 is not something just to take on a whim. You should have been doing this research ages ago. In my opinion, pre-show you should NOT be playing with unknown substances. You have NO idea what your reaction will be. This experiment SHOULD have been done months ago.
Additionally, you need to really read what Sassy said. T3 can be VERY catabolic. If you are not supplementing with AAS, you will likely lose MUSCLE with some fat. This will bring your overall metabolism down, plus make you softer. I cannot imagaine this is the look you are striving for.
Like she said, MOST male BB competitors are taking some AAS with the T3. This is why they do not lose muscle.
I do NOT think this is a good idea.
2 weeks out? You will get more benefit from diet and water manipulation.
Sassy69
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cheer said:
I understand your goal for the 5-6 lb, however in 2 weeks it is rather hard to force something & expect results. If you are really agressive you can try Mr. X's ANPB diet: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=280768. Otherwise you can diet, do lots of cardio / high rep/light weight training to get the muscle you have to be more defined (as opposed to "larger" or building muscle) and like Daisy said, do some water manipulation to get what you have to stand out more. This is essentially what BB's do. During your last week prior to your shoot, do a carb depletion from Sunday to Wed, then start carb up on sweet potatos (and cut out veggies, keep your protein) on Thurs & Fri, by Sat (or whatevre equivalent day of your shoot) your muscles will be fuller as they react to the starchy carb up. And match this with a water & sodium depletion on Thurs, Fri & Sat -- i.e. whatever water you drink now, cut that in half on Thurs, half again on Fri, and day of the shoot you are sipping on say a 24 oz bottle of water all day. You may not need to be that aggressive w/ the water depletion if you don't want to look too dry (i.e. for commercial photo shoot vs. BB competition that day), but that combination will suck out all the subQ water and give you a leaner, sharper look.
I guess if you want to pursue the T3 (brands are Tiromel, Cytomel, etc. -- I didnt' understand what you were saying w/ Thioromex or whatever .. never heard of that) for that short period of time whatever dosage, get a digital thermometer & check your temp each morning immediately when you wake up. An optimally performing thyroid will be running at 97.6 - 98.2 degrees. If you take that temp first thing in the morning for a few days to get an idea of where you are naturally (w/o t3) that can help determine how much t3 you need to dose. My caveat with using t3 for 2 weeks -- dont' rely completely on the pills to arrive at your results - those who get great results are those who are planning ahead on usually 6-8 week schedules with all the planned supps ALONG with specifically well-established diet & training.
