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Women in Combat?

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Should women serve in combat units during times of war?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • No

    Votes: 10 71.4%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    14
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Beasts of Burden - A Common Sense Look at Women in Combat


by James Dunnigan
The debate over women serving in combat units continues. While not a lot of women want to be in combat units, those who do have two intractable problems: muscles and history.

Britain, again faced with demands that women be allowed to join combat units, ran tests with volunteers to see if women could meet the physical demands of ground combat. One test required the volunteers to carry 90 pounds of ammunition over a measured distance. In combat, this is a common chore, bringing ammo and other supplies up to front line units that cannot be reached by vehicles (because of enemy fire and/or terrain).

Eighty percent of the men were able to accomplish this chore, but only 30 percent of the women. Another test involved making a 20-kilometer march, followed by a live firing exercise (to simulate the combat that would often follow such a march). Everyone carried 60 pounds of weapons and equipment. For the men, 83 percent were successful; for the women, only 52 percent were. Many other tests were "gender normed" (lower standards for women), and still the men outperformed the women.

This is hardly the first time an attempt has been made to put women in ground combat units. Since the development of lightweight firearms about a century ago, it suddenly became possible for women to handle weapons as effectively as the men. Before that, the weapons depended too much on upper body strength, leaving women at a large disadvantage. But attempts at using women as infantry have nearly all failed.

Some of the reasons have to do with the muscle issue. But there are others as well. Women, when engaged in strenuous physical activity, are more prone to bone and muscle injuries than men. This is now being rediscovered as more adolescent females engage in vigorous sports like basketball and soccer. They have much higher injury rates than the boys. There is also the psychological angle; men tend to be more enthusiastic, or at least less freaked out, when it comes to killing.

However, there have been instances when women have been successful as infantry, at least irregular light infantry (guerrillas). The partisan war in Russia and the Balkans during World War II saw thousands of women toting guns and fighting alongside the men. This was due to a severe shortage of fighters. You took whatever you could get, including teenagers. But guerrillas don't fight like regular infantry. They spend most of their time avoiding the enemy. When they do fight, they travel light, as "hit and run" is their most successful from of combat. A woman can set up an ambush, fire off her weapon and then scamper away into the bush as well as a man. The Tamil rebels in Sri Lanka use a lot of women as guerrilla fighters. But, recognizing the physical and psychological problems, the women are usually used in fortified positions. It's also easier psychologically to be in a bunker while firing at the enemy. In those situations, you don't have to worry about how much you can carr! y or whether you'll pull a muscle or throw you knee out.

The Eritrean army used thousands of women in its wars against neighboring Ethiopia, mainly because Ethiopia had a population 15 times that of Eritrea. But the women were used mainly in fixed positions. Another problem, pregnancy, was largely solved by the food shortage. Most women, if their body fat falls below a certain level, cannot conceive.

Such was not the case among the European World War II guerrillas, however. The Balkan guerrillas solved the problem by declaring unauthorized pregnancy a capital offense. Before the woman was executed, she was asked to identify the father, who would also be shot. She could tag some guy she didn't like rather than the real daddy. This was great for morale. In any event, many of the Balkan female guerillas hooked up with one guerrilla leader or another and became a "field wife" for the duration of the war.

Most nations that have put women into combat units in the last century have reversed that decision once the fighting got going. It just didn't work. This happened several times, both in World War I and World War II. There were exceptions, like the female guerrillas and women snipers in the Russian army, and in some special operations units. But, again, there were few women, compared to the number of men, who expressed any enthusiasm for combat. Critics say this is a matter of social conditioning. Perhaps, but it also appears to have more to do with common sense.

The issue of women in combat is largely a political, not a military one. Neither history nor practicality has much impact on this issue. It's purely a matter of rhetoric and political one-upmanship. The only danger is that, in order to make it happen, performance and training standards will be lowered in combat units. This will get people killed. This makes it a moral issue. But, alas, politics and morals do not mix well.
 
Combat will quickly dispel the feminist notion that women and men are equal in all ways.
Speaking as a veteran, allowing women in combat would be a disaster.
 
I'm sorry but women are NOT equal to men in every way. It's a fact of biology.

No offense to women, but I personally would not want to be fighting beside a woman who's training had been 'gender normed.'
 
Frackal said:
No offense to women, but I personally would not want to be fighting beside a woman who's training had been 'gender normed.'

I agree with you, Frack.
So, do you ever wonder we allow firefighters' training to be 'gender normed?'
 
Who feels Anabolic Steroids should be utilized in the military?

IMO I think this suits the military perfectly. It also changes the dynamics of the doubt "Women in Combat".

The most interesting aspect of genetics is that they can be altered.
 
minion said:
MoneyBags, does that mean you are volunteering???

no, it means your sister and mother better get their fat asses to afghanistan.
 
Maybe if a dozen or so cute li'l blonde things got slaughtered and/or tortured, it would change the public's mind about 'equality.'
 
No way.....I've seen the result in the Canadian Army...like WeaponX said a real disaster.....
 
I was in a squadren before my present command and it was rumored that in the middle eastern culture.

"Men are for pleasure and women are for reproduction."

Has anyone else heard this before?
 
I think Smallmovesal would look cute in a combat outfit throwing hand grenades.
 
chicks and gays should join the military. they should have their own units not mixed with real men. remember in the movie the patriot where they were in the church and that bitch stood up and made a speech to get the guys to join the militia? i wanted to slap that fucking bitch how she was saying the guys should join but of course she wasnt obligated to. fuck her. join the military bitches!!
 
The real problem with women in the military. Is there is another set of rules for them because of all the PR B.S. in the military.

Rid the military of this and I'm certain we can utilize women, dogs, dolphins, viruses, bacterium, ect, ect.

Weapon X as far as your comment goes, give'em cyanide capsules that will solve the issue. Or an implanted small low yeild nuclear device. Or develope and research better body armor. We should abandon common concepts and employ more abstract means of warfare.

Also someone should light a fire under DARPA ass and properly fund them and get them cranken out new toys.


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Life is hard enough for G.I.s without dealing with PMS and typical female pettiness. Last thing we need is officers trying to impress the dames and unethically sacrificing lives.
 
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