Winstrol tabs and baseball pitchers

[Jefff]

Heard these are very popular among pitchers? Anyone want to elaborate or have experience with winny? Thanks.

 

[Super Test 2004]

Winstrol is a drug that many athletes use in order to produce additional muscle while
inproving quickness and flexibility.

 

[DieselDan]

I thought that winny could possibly cause joint pain. This would not be a wise choice IMO for a pitcher. Although I do see the benefits of strength. How about Var instead?
Anyone have any good stacks for baseball, maybe Cyp(or prop-not sure),var and deca?

 

[Andy13]

If you think pitchers (or most any pro-atheletes) are above the level of 'novice' on AAS knowledge, think again..

If I were a pitcher, W wouldn't make my top 10 list of drugs.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

If you think pitchers (or most any pro-atheletes) are above the level of 'novice' on AAS knowledge, think again..

If I were a pitcher, W wouldn't make my top 10 list of drugs.

Very true... Winny, while increasing collagen synthesis in tendons, also reduces the crosshatching. This makes for bigger weaker tendons and more chance for injury.

 

[TA63]

Winny sounds bad. I used to pitch and had enough problems as is. Does anavar have the same effect on joints?

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Winny sounds bad. I used to pitch and had enough problems as is. Does anavar have the same effect on joints?

There was an article floating around about collagen synthesis and AAS. Some of the best drugs for joint repair while being anabolic are EQ, Deca and Primo. The great thing about these drugs is the strenght increase is very gradual so it will allow you build up tendon strength while you gain muscle strength. I would think tren and winny would be poor choices due to fast strength gains and very little time for joints and support structure to follow suit.

 

[TA63]

There was an article floating around about collagen synthesis and AAS. Some of the best drugs for joint repair while being anabolic are EQ, Deca and Primo. The great thing about these drugs is the strenght increase is very gradual so it will allow you build up tendon strength while you gain muscle strength. I would think tren and winny would be poor choices due to fast strength gains and very little time for joints and support structure to follow suit.

That would definately make sense. Im gonna be rehabbing a torn ACL soon. Anything I can take, legal or otherwise, to speed up the process?

 

[The_Eviscerator]

That would definately make sense. Im gonna be rehabbing a torn ACL soon. Anything I can take, legal or otherwise, to speed up the process?

Here is a joint protocol written by Author Rea:

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/rea/030903.htm

Q1: Can GH be used to heal damaged cartilage? I was thinking about doing a stack of Deca, Gh and D-BOl for this purpose to heal my shoulder. Thank you.

A1: It appears that pretty much any hard-core athlete worth the protein in a Snickers bar has or is experiencing the profound soft tissue pains their dedication to progress brings with the results. Regardless of age or body type, all except the weenies in Dolphin shorts at one time or another have had need to choose between pain relievers and progress…and/or sometimes simply giving up.


Decrease Pain But Not A Cure


Some use one of the many specific COX-2 inhibitors (like Viox and Celebrex) or a non-specific COX inhibitor (such as Motrin) to reduce inflammation and subsequent pain. Others opt to employ Nubain or simply smoke a fatty. (The prior is not a cortisol inhibitor and the latter increases total estrogens due to structure. So blown or bitchy as a result of use) In either case, the use of a drug merely to mask the sensation of pain is in no way progress positive.


Growth Goodies For Joints?


Several studies have shown that GH and IGF-1 induce tissue growth within soft tissue and joints regardless of age. In fact, though most already know about GH/IGF-1 and permanent muscle tissue growth, few know that the long-term effects upon soft tissue are just as profound…if the right nutrients are available. (Huh?)


Diets Feed Joints Too!


Obviously diet is a crucial factor in over all health and athletic progress. In the case of soft tissue health, adequate supplies of vitamin A, B-6, C and of course E plus the minerals copper, zinc, selenium and manganese are mandatory. Joint tissues include the common collagen structures known as tendons, ligaments and cartilage. Synovial fluids act like oil to provide lubrication for smooth, comfortable motion. Vitamins A, C and E and selenium and zinc are antioxidants that perform specific joint tissue maintenance functions. Other antioxidants such as ALA can help also. If you are not getting at least the recommended daily intake (RDI) of the noted vitamins and minerals in your diet, you should be supplementing. A good multi-vitamin/mineral supplement should suffice.


Glucosamine

Glucosamine Sulfate is an amino sugar naturally produced by our bodies from glucose and sulfur. Sulfur is quite essential to healthy joints. It is in fact a major building and rebuilding component of ligaments, tendons and cartilage. Replacing lost or low production of glucosamine can help maintain, and in most cases, regenerate joint tissues…if the right hormone profile is created. Study after study, both abroad and in the US have shown dramatic regeneration of joint tissues and improved production of joint fluids with the use of glucosamine sulfate. Glucosamine Hydrochloride (HCI) is thought to offer more glucosamine per milligram than the sulfate. Both are easily absorbable.

Chondroitin

Chondroitin too is a natural component of cartilage and connective tissues. Studies have shown that Chondroitin Sulfate has similar effects in relation to glucosamine. (It goes without saying that the combination of chondroitin with glucosamine results in a more synergistic effect) An additional source of organic elemental sulfur is MSM (methylsulfonylmethane). MSM has been shown in other studies to aid in the production of collagen and glucosamine meaning a further potential synergist. My personal experience has been that 3g of glucosamine, 1.5g of chondroitin and 1-1.5g of MSM daily appears to be the maximal effective dosage.

Got A Dog?

An OTC veterinary product called Cosequin is one of the best glucosamine-chondroitin products available in my opinion. Most would assume that it is simply just another of many such products but it also contains a few cofactors that make it more effective. 4-6 caps daily provide an excellent soft tissue nutrient supply.

There are a number of treatments that can be used for soft tissue damage such as arthritis. In particular is the relatively new drug called Cartrophen Vet or pentosan (pentosan polysulphate sodium). This drug is one of the most effective and it even has a very good success rate in 8 out of every 10 dogs! Yup, another veterinary drug has been employed by athletes.

Pentosan can be administered subcutaneous, intramuscularly and locally. It appears to possess some very effectual direct anti-inflammatory activity. Due to its ability to inhibition lytic enzymes, and by increasing synovial fluid viscosity/volume, it acts synergistically with most other chemistry intended for soft tissue repair. Though this means preventative value, pentosan also significantly stimulates chondrocytes while increasing the biosynthesis of proteoglycans, as well as possessing strong fibrinolytic activity (joint matrix parts & pieces and repair activity).

*Though the drug pentosan is available in tablet form as well, my personal experiences have been that the use of the injectable form produces better results.

Nandrolone For Joints?

Almost anyone who has used nandrolone decanoate can attest to the profound increase in joint function and comfort. As a rule many AAS do have a positive effect upon joint function but nandrolone does so in a complementary way for rehabilitation. This is due to the increase in synovial fluid production that facilitates movement the way oil eases a door hinge. Naturally the increase in cellular protein synthesis in soft tissues is a nice plus as well.

Joint Matrix Protocol Example

Day

1. Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg/Pentosan 2ml/GH 2iu 3xd
2. GH 2iu 3xd
3. GH 2iu 3xd
4. GH 2iu 3xd
5. Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg/GH 2iu 3xd
6. Pentosan 2ml
7.
8. GH 2iu 3xd
9. Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg/ GH 2iu 3xd
10. GH 2iu 3xd
11. Pentosan 2ml/ GH 2iu 3xd
12. GH 2iu 3xd
13. Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg
14.
15. GH 2iu 3xd
16. Pentosan 2ml/ GH 2iu 3xd
17. Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg/ GH 2iu 3xd
18. GH 2iu 3xd
19. GH 2iu 3xd
20.
21. Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg/Pentosan 2ml
22. GH 2iu 3xd
23. GH 2iu 3xd
24. GH 2iu 3xd
25. Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg/ GH 2iu 3xd
26. Pentosan 2ml/ GH 2iu 3xd
27.
28.
29. Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg/ GH 2iu 3xd
30. GH 2iu 3xd
31. Pentosan 2ml/GH 2iu 3xd
32. GH 2iu 3xd
33. Nandrolone Decanoate 300mg/ GH 2iu 3xd
34.
35.
36. Pentosan 2ml/ GH 2iu 3xd
37. GH 2iu 3xd
38. GH 2iu 3xd
39. GH 2iu 3xd
40. GH 2iu 3xd
41. Pentosan 2ml
42.

*Aromasin 25mg/d or Arimidex 1mg/d

 

[PRoXoNEtAPiMpbitch]

Water in joints can revert the winstrol side efects in joints, so test and winny can be used and good strenght can be achieved.
Var only cycles will give a better aproach to anabolics to pitchers as i consider it, oxandrolone has a very good effect on joints and ligaments.

so i vote for oxandrolone #1
#2 test/winny

 

[workerbee]

Winstrol Tabs and athletes (specifically baseball)

Have been learning quite a bit about winstrol recently, and remain very interested. However, many questions remain, and I would love to hear some personal insights and/or experiences...

-really like the strength gains without the bulk and weight gains that winstrol offers, but are there better options for an active athlete, particularly baseball and football players... (I am a little concerened about the info I have read suggesting that winstrol is tough on joints/ligaments)

-What products would you suggest besides win... anavar?

-are there effective ways to counter joint vulnerability due to winny, such as glucosamine ??

-Overall, any football/baseball positive experineces with winstrol or other streoids? which ones?

Thanks a ton...

 

[orat]

Re: Winstrol Tabs and athletes (specifically baseball)

It sounds like you are thinking of running a Winstrol-only cycle. I hope you can be dissuaded from doing this as it is not a good idea, and I can speak from experience since it was the first cycle I ever ran.

The main problem is that Winstrol will suppress your endogenous testosterone production significantly. Just to give you an idea, I had my blood work done just a few days after starting my Winstrol-only cycle (50mg ed oral) and my test level was 176. Prior to that it was in the 500s (natural). Also, since Winstrol is only a third as androgenic as testosterone it isn't a good replacement for it all on its own.

 

[Mac173]

Re: Winstrol Tabs and athletes (specifically baseball)

Have been learning quite a bit about winstrol recently, and remain very interested. However, many questions remain, and I would love to hear some personal insights and/or experiences...

-really like the strength gains without the bulk and weight gains that winstrol offers, but are there better options for an active athlete, particularly baseball and football players... (I am a little concerened about the info I have read suggesting that winstrol is tough on joints/ligaments)

-What products would you suggest besides win... anavar?

-are there effective ways to counter joint vulnerability due to Winstrol - stanozolol, such anabolic steroids glucosamine ??

-Overall, any football/baseball positive experineces with winstrol or other streoids? which ones?

Thanks a ton...

Did you see how old this thread was?

 

[workerbee]

Re: Winstrol Tabs and athletes (specifically baseball)

It sounds like you are thinking of running a Winstrol-only cycle. I hope you can be dissuaded from doing this anabolic steroids it is not a good idea, and I can speak from experience since it was the first cycle I ever ran.

The main problem is that Winstrol will suppress your endogenous testosterone production significantly. Just to give you an idea, I had my blood work done just a few days after starting my Winstrol-only cycle (50mg ed oral) and my test level was 176. Prior to that it was in the 500s (natural). Also, since Winstrol is only a third anabolic steroids androgenic anabolic steroids testosterone it isn't a good replacement for it all on its own.

I appreciate the info, but I'm a little confused anabolic steroids to what you are suggesting. Are you suggesting do not take winstrol at all, or just not to run a winstrol-only cycle? If the latter is the case, what do you suggest running with winstrol.

Also, is anavar a better option?

 

[instant.muscle]

Heard these are very popular among pitchers? Anyone want to elaborate or have experience with Winstrol - stanozolol? Thanks.

winny is big no no in pitching

 

[orat]

Re: Winstrol Tabs and athletes (specifically baseball)

I appreciate the info, but I'm a little confused anabolic steroids to what you are suggesting. Are you suggesting do not take winstrol at all, or just not to run a winstrol-only cycle? If the latter is the case, what do you suggest running with winstrol.

Also, is anavar a better option?

Sorry, I didn't realize the forum was butchering my post with the new automatic conversion of abbreviations (and oddly, the word "as"). I am strongly suggesting you do not run a Winstrol-only cycle. Run it with some test, stick it in the last 6 weeks of your test cycle and you will love it. I always get the joint pain from Winstrol though, so if you're going to be pitching you probably want to avoid it, particularly because it tends to bcause the most soreness in the rotator cuff (for me and many others).