How about, make sure you diet is in check along with your training, increase your cardio along w/ using the clen. while you are dropping your BF% see if you can get you hands on some test (if you dont already have some). Then get down to 12% bf and use the winny along with some test.
This, of course is just my opinion I have always found that using gear such as, EQ, winny, anavar tend to provide better results (at least for a visual stand point) at 12% or less, really I would say below 11% or so. I just say this due to the harding and vascality from the gear not the strength. I would rather be closer to my appearance goal that be able to lift 350 pounds,lol
I used the liqiudclen last time I use clen.. Works great