Im using them now 100mgs ed along with Clen and T3 and fina and Deca so Im not sure if I like them but I do like the stack Ive been on it for 2 weeks now getting very lean and weight is around the same 250# started at 8% bf now 245# 5%bf and very hard but I am getting alot of cramps at night in my sleep but that to will pass