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Will there be a staged terrorist event, a la history, to start the war?

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Let's hope not.....


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George Bush has a problem. His war is running out of steam. Even the pundits at FOX News are admitting that Bush and his buddies have lost the propaganda war. Bush assumed Saddam would never go for inspections. But Saddam did, and the UN inspectors have not found any weapons of mass destruction that Bush claimed Iraq had. Powell shot himself in the foot with that dossier plagiarized from 12 year old student papers, and the mere fact that Bush has waited this long for the UN to rubber-stamp the war proves that Bush does not really see Iraq as a dire threat requiring immediate action. Yes, the UN inspectors found some missiles able to fly 15 miles further than the UN allowed. That still leaves a distance of several thousand miles before those missiles are a threat to the US. Bush wants those missiles destroyed. But with the US poised to invade Iraq, Bush is sounding a bit like Hitler demanding Poland disarm just in time for the Panzers to roll across the border.

But the main reason Bush has lost the propaganda war is that he has lost the trust of the American people. Only days ago, Bush claimed a report by top economists vindicated his tax cuts for the rich. It took only moments to confirm that the report Bush cited does not actually exist. As Bush himself would say, "Fool me once......................."

Trust is a funny thing. It can take decades to build and only a careless moment to destroy. And Bush has trashed not only his own credibility with repeated lies about Iraq and the economy, but the credibility of the government as well. People don't believe Bush any more. They don't dare take the chance.

So what's a war-monger to do?

It is clear that Bush still wants to start the war. He is not going to get UN approval. Too many nations are willing to veto the latest resolution. It isn't going to happen. Period. End of discussion.

Unless there is an "event". You know, an 'EVENT". Something that will scare the UN and the world into backing a war against Iraq.

Like another 9-11. Or another "Anthrax" scare. Only bigger. Scarier. Something so scary that people won't take the chance it ISN'T true.

When it happens, count on Iraq to be blamed for it. But why would Iraq do anything now? Iraq knows a war with the US cannot be won. Iraq has done everything possible to prevent this war. Why would Iraq now do anything that would guarantee a war? Why would Iraq, knowing that Bush's push for war has stumbled, do anything that would give Bush the push he so desperately needs?

The answer is that Iraq would not. Even if it had weapons of mass destruction, Iraq knows it cannot defeat the US military machine. Certainly Iraq's missiles cannot threaten the USA. Even more certain is that Iraq cannot find, let alone destroy, the fleet of SSBN Nuclear Missile Submarines that prowl the world's oceans. Remember those? You and I are still paying off that $5 trillion the US Government spent on a nuclear deterrent supposedly able to destroy an attacker. Each SSBN carries 192 warheads, each warhead 5-10 times the power of the bomb that destroyed the city of Hiroshima. Those who scream for "pre-emptive" war in Iraq because of the "threat" Iraq poses are in essence claiming that we all wasted that $5 trillion dollars, because the threat of those MIRVs no longer will deter Iraq from attacking the US.

So, Bush is desperate for an event to kick off the war. The latest scarecrow propped up in front of us is Saddam's supposed fleet of drone aircraft ready to spray Anthrax all over us unless we follow Bush to war. It must be remembered that the last time there was an anthrax scare, it turned out that the Anthrax came from a US biological weapons lab, complete with letters written to frame Arab Muslims for the attack. That is a precedent to keep in mind.

Saddam does not want war. Bush does. Howard does, Blair does (maybe), Sharon does (definitely). But Saddam does not. Every decision he has made to date is that of a man terrified of the idea of a war.

But as desperate as Saddam has proven to be to avoid war Bush is even more desperate to start one. So when an "event" happens, be very careful when the same people who plagiarized a 12 year old student thesis and claimed it was current intelligence insist they have "proof" that the same people they have been wanting to attack for the last year are the culprits. Because history has shown that it is always those who WANT a war who commit warlike acts.

Bush wants a war. What is he prepared to do to get one?
 
This whole fuckin' thing is just stupid.

I guess they shouldn't announce their plans of attacking Iraq almost a year before they actually send troops.

Right now I truly feel that our government is doing everything possible to get the war started, short of actually giving the "go ahead" anyway.

I think they look like a bunch of pathetic shitbags. They're like a group of college powerlifters going to an elementary school playground, and trying their asses off to get support from everyone and get everyone's approval for beating up the 3rd graders. "Don't let them fool you... they have scissors AND glue in their classroom. We can't find it... but we KNOW it's there."

I'm tired of watching the news channels to see what's new.

I'll just watch wrestling and Southpark.
 
Good question....I don't think Bush would try to pull that though. As for others....who knows. It only takes one person to stage a terrorist attack.

It would create huge suspicion. This would be a very stupid time for a real terrorist attack. It would be a good time for a staged attack.
 
Wouldn't suprise me. Hell who's to say this whole thing the last few years hasn't been a fuckin' setup to get war going? Hmm?


DO NOT TRUST THIS GOVERNMENT!
 
Frackal said:
You and I are still paying off that $5 trillion the US Government spent on a nuclear deterrent supposedly able to destroy an attacker. Each SSBN carries 192 warheads, each warhead 5-10 times the power of the bomb that destroyed the city of Hiroshima.

I liked the article but this is COMPLETELY WRONG. Therefore,if the author spouts such misinformation is the whole artice worthless? Probably not but...

Each Sub carries 120 warheads. Not 192. Each warheads does not have "5-10" times the power of Hiroshima but rather 23 times the power of hiroshima with the warheads each having a 250kt thermonuclear device. If those subs cost 5 trillion that would mean that at the US's current annual military budget it would have taken 1250 years to but them. Sure buddy, I like your "fuzzy math". The guy probably works for dubya. Anyways, carry on...
 
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supernav said:
Sometimes i wish some terrorist organization can get vital parts from Saddam, construct a nuke, and set it off in NYC and kill millions of people. Then Bush can look at those democrat hippie morons and go "See! I told you so!".

Sometimes i wish some terrorist organization can get vital parts from Saddam, construct a nuke, and set it off in NYC and kill millions of people. Then I can look at those democrat hippie morons and go "See! I told you so!".

Sometimes i wish some terrorist organization can get vital parts from Saddam, construct a nuke, and set it off in NYC and kill millions of people. Then Bush can look at those democrat hippie morons and go "See! I told you so!".

Sometimes i wish some terrorist organization can get vital parts from Saddam, construct a nuke, and set it off in NYC and kill millions of people. Then I can look at those democrat hippie morons and go "See! I told you so!".

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That about sums you up as an individual doesn't it then, Supernav.
 
The current administration in DC is fully capable of manufacturing a "trigger" to begin the war. Actually, given the current situation, I can well imagin the isrealis in cahoots with bush and co. will do it.

The bush administration has lied to the american public since befor the last election. They lied to manupulate the american sheeple, they lied and manipulated the actual election, they lied about taxes, they are lying to you about the reasons behind this war.
 
supernav said:
Sometimes i wish some terrorist organization can get vital parts from Saddam, construct a nuke, and set it off in NYC and kill millions of people. Then Bush can look at those democrat hippie morons and go "See! I told you so!".

-= nav =-

:devil: Fuck you! We already took one for the team. I noticed you didn't sat set it off in California!
 
Bigsatan13 said:


:devil: Fuck you! We already took one for the team. I noticed you didn't sat set it off in California!

Good on Oh king of Evil Dark Stuff.

Supernav, if you were a true patriot you would pray that only you and your house were destroyed in an attack sparing all the Glory that is the suburbea we call AMERICA!!!

[Ethyl Merman]

GOD BLESS AMERICA......

[/Ethyl Merman]

Frackal I have been waiting for months for another attack of some sort to turn the tide towards war. This time look to Europe, namely Germany or France as the target. (Gotta stir the rest of the war pigs up ya know.)
 
supernav said:
Sometimes i wish some terrorist organization can get vital parts from Saddam, construct a nuke, and set it off in NYC and kill millions of people. Then Bush can look at those democrat hippie morons and go "See! I told you so!".

-= nav =-

That was some dumb shit you spouted off there, big worm.
 
supernav said:
Sometimes i wish some terrorist organization can get vital parts from Saddam, construct a nuke, and set it off in NYC and kill millions of people. Then Bush can look at those democrat hippie morons and go "See! I told you so!".

-= nav =-


they'd probably end up getting the parts from Pakistan or North Korea because we were too busy overthrowing Iraq to pay attention to what was going on in the world. Then the liberals can point at bush and say 'See we told you so'.
 
supernav said:
Sometimes i wish some terrorist organization can get vital parts from Saddam, construct a nuke, and set it off in NYC and kill millions of people. Then Bush can look at those democrat hippie morons and go "See! I told you so!".

-= nav =-

What the fuck kind of stupid ass bullshit statement is that??? Are you a complete asshole???
 
Well, even if it wasn't staged it will still be perceived as staged. So it really doesn't matter whether or not it is faked. If it happens, it will make most people feel better about the annhilation of an entire country.
 
Frackal said:

Bush wants a war. What is he prepared to do to get one?

That question has already been answered. Bush and his underlings have utterly no reluctance to lie and create phony evidence to support an invasion. It's Vietnam all over again.
 
I don't think we will need to look for a reason much longer...you really think Saddam will destroy those missles?
 
bullett said:
I don't think we will need to look for a reason much longer...you really think Saddam will destroy those missles?

Maybe..but would you? The US has a huge invasion force assembled. Our president continually insists that it's too late for Saddam to do anything. So we expect him to destroy his weapons while we finger the trigger on our own? It's an almost surreal situation -- to say nothing of the bizarre scenario of attacking a nation we claim has weapons of mass destruction on the one hand while saying, on the other, that IRaq's defeat will occur in a few days with minimum loss of life.

Rod Serling couldn't have written a better war story.
 
He may have weapons of mass destruction, but if you blitzkrieg his ass then you will effectivelly end it before it starts. But if you doddle along and take your time, the way the UN historically acts, it then becomes a different story.

I do not think the president has lied about this, in fact I believe the peace niks are living in the surreal world of Rod Serling believing that all is right with the world and that nothing bad will ever happen.

It is also known as apathy, which is a sure sign that a country is on its downword spiral to destruction.
 
What about the long term negative effects on this pre-emptive action chesty?

btw, not exactly the same thing, but you better thank the peaceniks in the Kennedy admin for getting us out of the Cuban Missle Crisis...or we probably wouldnt be here today.'


Point is war is not always the best route...in this case?? Maybe it is... very hard to determine...but with regards to intellgence matters...I would think that if we really did have alot of evidence, we wouldnt have to plagiarize from civilian students.
 
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chesty said:
He may have weapons of mass destruction, but if you blitzkrieg his ass then you will effectivelly end it before it starts. But if you doddle along and take your time, the way the UN historically acts, it then becomes a different story.

I do not think the president has lied about this, in fact I believe the peace niks are living in the surreal world of Rod Serling believing that all is right with the world and that nothing bad will ever happen.

It is also known as apathy, which is a sure sign that a country is on its downword spiral to destruction.
..damn right,its scary how many would believe Saddam over Bush,Powell et. al...wtf is wrong with you people?..do you not have any confidence in our intelligence and armed forces?..do you expect to be privy to classified info?..get your heads out of your ass...for the record I believe that when we go it will be impressive...an almost surgical dismantling of saddam and his regime...a major city falls inside of 2 weeks..on another note,I saw Karzai(sp?)the prez(or whatever) of Afghanistan say that if they(queda etc.) had any terrorist capabilties they would be using them now..as in they would be trying to avert the war by pulling their shit now..but they don't and queda etc. has been fractured and hurt bad..my sentiments exactly..if they had some shit to pull it would already have happened..now its time to put an end to saddam insano
 
chesty said:
He may have weapons of mass destruction, but if you blitzkrieg his ass then you will effectivelly end it before it starts. But if you doddle along and take your time, the way the UN historically acts, it then becomes a different story.

I do not think the president has lied about this, in fact I believe the peace niks are living in the surreal world of Rod Serling believing that all is right with the world and that nothing bad will ever happen.

It is also known as apathy, which is a sure sign that a country is on its downword spiral to destruction.

Colin Powell's dissembling before the UN has already been documented. HIs "evidence," including the British "intelligence' plaziarized from a grad student and a mobile lab that wasn't, was bullshit. The Chimp In Chief told us two months ago that Iraq definitely has nuclear weaponry and links to Osama while his CIA boys stated just the opposite. His administration lies repeatedly.
 
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