why you dislike america

[Lao Tzu]

Please politely list why you dislike america, why you like it, etc.


Why i dislike it

bad healthcare & education
machivellian foreign policy
high crime rate

Why i like it

Most technology advances are from here
extremely liberal domestic policy
per capita income is 50% higher than most other 1st world countries (36k as opposed to 23k)

 

[paradox]

 

[gymrat]

Please politely list why you dislike america, why you like it, etc.

machivellian foreign policy

Being someone outside of the country I see real issues with this too.

 

[decem]

bad healthcare as compared to what dude???

you ever talk to anyone from canada?

 

[gymrat]

bad healthcare as compared to what dude???

you ever talk to anyone from canada?

I'm from Canada and I rather like the system here....sort of...

 

[Lao Tzu]

I'm talking more about infant mortality & the poor lacking access to healthcare.

In all honesty, feel free to critique the canadian healthcare system or explain why you like or hate our domestic healthcare system.

 

[Code]

I'm just here to be contrary and hopefully distract from the topic.

 

[Lao Tzu]

I'm just here to be contrary and hopefully distract from the topic.

EITHER SUPPORT THE UN OR GET OUT

j/k

 

[Code]

Hahaha, gotta love the UN.
Nothing like a redundant, over-funded, self-important, self-righteous organization.

 

[decem]

I'm from Canada and I rather like the system here....sort of...

my neighbors are from canada.. so are their parents.. their parents still live there.. and they always flew down here and paid for treatment rather than waiting the six months it took to see a doctor up there..

infant mortality???? compare our infant mortality rate to that of any other country and i'm sure it's well above all but maybe england and france.. and then it's probably a tie..

poor lacking access to healthcare how? i don't see how our poor have any less chances of receiving quality healthcare than any other country..

 

[Warik]

I love my country but I hate my government.

-Warik

 

[epimetheus]

Sweden has the best health care in the world.

I hate America's low education, the ignorant attitudes of most of the Hoi Poi, and that is about it.

 

[bunnymt]

Hahaha, gotta love the UN.
Nothing like a redundant, over-funded, self-important, self-righteous organization.

Ha Ha, you know some would label the US government the same exact way, LOL!

 

[gymrat]

my neighbors are from canada.. so are their parents.. their parents still live there.. and they always flew down here and paid for treatment rather than waiting the six months it took to see a doctor up there..

Yeah but after the wait, the service is great hahha

 

[decem]

and please describe in detail how our foreign policy is machiavellian, as in how it resembles the true political philosophies of the real machiavelli and not the misnomer "machiavellian".............. as well as why that is a bad thing.

 

[Latimer]

BOO FUCKING HOO

 

[Lao Tzu]

and please describe in detail how our foreign policy is machiavellian, as in how it resembles the true political philosophies of the real machiavelli and not the misnomer "machiavellian".............. as well as why that is a bad thing.

The overthrow of the chilean & iranian governments
Helping to found the Taliban & teaching Bin Ladin to be a terrorist
trying to overthrow cuba

basically treating the world like a chess game, overthrow country X to block country Y.

 

[CBRF4]

infant mortality???? compare our infant mortality rate to that of any other country and i'm sure it's well above all but maybe england and france.. and then it's probably a tie..

Wrong!

These countries all have lower infant mortality rates than the USA:

United Kingdom
Sweden
Switzerland
Spain
Slovenia
Singapore
Portugal
San Marino
Netherlands
New Zealand
Northern Mariana Islands
Norway
Malta
Monaco
Japan
Jersey
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Macau S.A.R.
Guam
Guernsey
Hong Kong S.A.R.
Iceland
Ireland
Italy
Finland
France
Germany
Gibraltar
Greece
Czech Republic
Denmark
Canada
Andorra
Aruba
Australia
Austria
Belgium

Source: http://www.os-connect.com/

 

[Lao Tzu]

my neighbors are from canada.. so are their parents.. their parents still live there.. and they always flew down here and paid for treatment rather than waiting the six months it took to see a doctor up there..

according to a Gallup poll published in the September 13, 1993 edition of The Toronto Star, only 2 percent of all Canadians believe that the U.S. has a better health care system than their own.

http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/85More.htm

 

[Lao Tzu]

http://kerlins.net/bobbi/potpourri/politics/ushealth.html


(spoken in nasal, Eazy E voice) suck on dat, bitch.

 

[Code]

Those stats aren't per capita, thats funny.

So of course Iceland has a lower infant mortality rate, they have a lower birth rate

 

[Latimer]

Those stats aren't per capita, thats funny.

So of course Iceland has a lower infant mortality rate, they have a lower birth rate

Exactly.

We have a higher crime rate too because we actually lockup our criminals and enforce our laws.

 

[smallmovesal]

from what i've heard, canada has better labour laws than the US.

also, women get one year off paid by unemployment when they have babies, as opposed to the US - which ranks MUCH lower in the scale for that - at only 3 mos.

 

[Latimer]

from what i've heard, canada has better labour laws than the US.

also, women get one year off paid by unemployment when they have babies, as opposed to the US - which ranks MUCH lower in the scale for that - at only 3 mos.

Just goes to show you how lazy Canadians are.

 

[CBRF4]

Those stats aren't per capita, thats funny.

So of course Iceland has a lower infant mortality rate, they have a lower birth rate

Haha, that is funny.....except that part in the upper right corner that says PER 1000 BIRTHS.

http://www.os-connect.com/pop/p4.htm

 

[Code]

Dumbass,

If the US has one million births per year, and Iceland has 1000 per year....which do you think (per 1000) will have more infant deaths.

 

[Latimer]

Dumbass,

If the US has one million births per year, and Iceland has 1000 per year....which do you think (per 1000) will have more infant deaths.

Mexico????

 

[Code]

No no no, Peru.

Close though Lat.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Exactly.

We have a higher crime rate too because we actually lockup our criminals and enforce our laws.

Yup. And the reason the terrorists attacked is because they are jealous of our freedoms.

I'm actually kinda full of shit. I don't think our healthcare, education or crime rates are much worse than anyone else, i just wanted to start a new thread about why people dislike america.

 

[CBRF4]

Dumbass,

If the US has one million births per year, and Iceland has 1000 per year....which do you think (per 1000) will have more infant deaths.

OK so youre saying if 0,5% of Iclandic babies die at birth and 25% of American ones do its cause the us has more births???

 

[smallmovesal]

i think american pride and ignorance is going to be its downfall... i mean, look at what happened in the fall. no one thought that could ever happen on american soil, and guess what... it did. america is not infallible - and until that is realised - it'll only get worse. blanket "we are the greatest" statements won't help when more attacks are constantly being warned about... i think americans need to be more worldly sometimes - there is too much ethnocentrism.

the irony of it all is i want to eventually work in the US.

 

[Code]

No, it doesn't scale like that moron.

Go back to grade school, ask you math teather the difference between per capita and per X statistics.

 

[gymrat]

What is ethnocentrism? I've heard of Egocentrism, and anthropenstrism.

 

[decem]

according to a Gallup poll published in the September 13, 1993 edition of The Toronto Star, only 2 percent of all Canadians believe that the U.S. has a better health care system than their own.

http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/85More.htm

bah.. who's this gallup character anyway?? pphttt..

you only quoted one sentence out of tons of contrary info..

1. that poll did not define "better".. better may be good.. unless you're dying from cancer and need to be seen sooner than the next available appt... 8 months down the line

2. while the article points out that of the 10 indust. nations, america ranks dead last in regards to satisfaction of "quality" and "quantitiy" of healthcare - yet that is one of the largest forms of sampling bias.. americans' ideals of bigger, better, stronger and having to have the best of everything and being unsatisfied with everything.. where as other nations peoples simply do not have the same mindset and therefore such a poll or questions or whatever is clearly bias.

3. it talks about how 2/3 of americans support the idea of a universal coverage.. yet these rejects have never had to live with universal coverage and therefore do not know fully what it entails. secondly, as soon as they fucking got their universal coverage.. they'd be just as dissatisfied with it.. see #2.

4. regarding your quote and that poll.. how the hell would a canadian know why their healthcare is better than america? have they lived here? are they residents here? no.. eh?

5. quote: The link between poverty and poorer health has long been proven. "Less money means less nutritious food, less heat in winter, less fresh air in summer, less distance from sick people, less knowledge about illness or medicine, fewer doctor visits, fewer dental visits, less preventative care, and above all else, less first-quality medical attention when all these other deprivations take their toll and a poor person finds himself seriously ill."

 

[smallmovesal]

What is ethnocentrism? I've heard of Egocentrism, and anthropenstrism.

eth•no•cen•trism

Pronunciation: (eth"nO-sen'triz-um), [key]
—n.
1. Sociol.the belief in the inherent superiority of one's own ethnic group or culture.
2. a tendency to view alien groups or cultures from the perspective of one's own.

 

[gymrat]

eth•no•cen•trism

Pronunciation: (eth"nO-sen'triz-um), [key]
—n.
1. Sociol.the belief in the inherent superiority of one's own ethnic group or culture.
2. a tendency to view alien groups or cultures from the perspective of one's own.

oh

 

[Code]

Ethnocentrism is basically another way to describe mypic behavior.

 

[smallmovesal]

myopic behaviour... lol

i think it's like detached retinal behaviour myself

 

[CBRF4]

Code, maybe if you weren't such a dumbass you would know that infant mortality is measured per 1000 births.

 

[decem]

http://kerlins.net/bobbi/potpourri/politics/ushealth.html


(spoken in nasal, Eazy E voice) suck on dat, bitch.

let's analyze this stupid bitches stats.. as that's what he's using to "prove" that the u.s. has the worst health care systems in the world.

1. health care expenditures as % of GDP - so more people are spending more money on more treatment in the us than compared to the other countries.. how does this prove that it's worse simply because people spend more money on it? he doesn't say in his article.. so i guess we'll never know..

2. doctor's incomes - isn't the average income of americans higher than most other countries? then how is this stat valid? again.. he doesn't address the stat.

3. percent of pop covered by public health care and the u.s. is last.. ok.. so how does this make it's healthcare system worse? what quality of care are the people of the nations who provide 100% fully covered by public health care receiving? do they like their docs? do they have a choice? how soon do they get in for appt? doesn't say..

4. average paid maternity leave - how is this a fucking HEALTH CARE STAT??? shouldn't this be among employee compensation stats?? i think so..

5. life expectancy - sampling bias.. everything from genetics to diet to stress to whatever else contributes to this.. quality health care would be among the least contributing factors.. again..a bullshit stat

6. infant mortality rates - shitty stat.. what stat they should be using is some type of per capita stat comparing the rates at which infants born in some shitty state of health are saved..

7. death rate.. 1-4 y/o.. whoopdeefuckingdoo.. u.s. is highest.. this doesn't account for healthcare either.. what abou the number of kids drowing.. being mulled by dogs.. hit by cars.. this does not reflect the quality of health care at all..

8. death rate 15-24 y/o.. again.. doesn't factor in car accidents and what not.. a bullshit fucking stat to use

DO I REALLY HAVE TO FUCKING GO ON..

 

[Robert Jan]

"Why i like it

Most technology advances are from here (could happen huh it being the biggest country thats not poor)
extremely liberal domestic policy (try holland)
per capita income is 50% higher than most other 1st world countries (36k as opposed to 23k)"(norway, sweden and switzerland have far higher per capita incomes than the usa)

 

[Lao Tzu]

"Why i like it

1. Most technology advances are from here (could happen huh it being the biggest country thats not poor)
2. extremely liberal domestic policy (try holland)
3. per capita income is 50% higher than most other 1st world countries (36k as opposed to 23k)"(norway, sweden and switzerland have far higher per capita incomes than the usa)

1. It doesn't matter to me why we have the most medical technologies, just that we have them.

2. true. I was mainly referring to 1st vs 3rd world domestic policies when i wrote that though. Only about 1/3 of the world's population lives in the 1st world. I agree that 1st world vs 1st world comparisons that america probably is in the middle somewhere.

3. When i wrote that i was referring to Gross Domestic Product (GDP) which can be found in the CIA factbook. I thought GDP & per capita income were the same.

http://www.mrdowling.com/800gdppercapita.html



Decem, in all honesty i don't give a shit about healthcare. I was just trying to start a thread about american distaste because the other one got shut down. Take that statement however you want, i give up on the argument, you win because i don't know enough or care enough to argue in favor of the idea that our healthcare sucks.

 

[decem]

Decem - you win

yeah.. THAT'S RIGHT MOTHER FUCKER..

 

[3Vandoo]

I like America I love America I live in America as with more than 700 millions other people

 

[epimetheus]

I don't mind america so much. It is more that I hate the attiutude of americans. Fat, lazy, loudmouthed with uneducated opinions.
Example:

Friend of mine seriously believes that any person that is not an american is not really a human being. (in as much as thier life matters) Sad thing is, most people agree with him.

 

[epimetheus]

Those stats aren't per capita, thats funny.

So of course Iceland has a lower infant mortality rate, they have a lower birth rate

Per capita..
From Dictonary.com: ( http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=per capita )


per cap·i·ta Pronunciation Key (pr kp-t)
adv. & adj.
Per unit of population; per person: In that year, Americans earned $15,304 per capita. Among the states, Connecticut has a high per capita income.
Equally to each individual.

You go based on percentage of population.

If America has 170,000 people born every day, and 170 children die, that is 10%. If iceland has 1500 people born every day, and has 8 children die, that is only like 6%. That is how you judge it, not how much each person makes in relation to how many people die. LOL

 

[CAGED whiteman]

the number one problem with the United States is how willing we are to help out other countries. i say let those fuckers rot and starve to death. then we wont hear so much bitching. i also hate how all the immigrants come here and abuse our country and shit on its laws.

smalls-dont act like canada is the shit.

 

[epimetheus]

the number one problem with the United States is how willing we are to help out other countries. i say let those fuckers rot and starve to death. then we wont hear so much bitching. i also hate how all the immigrants come here and abuse our country and shit on its laws.

smalls-dont act like canada is the shit.

 

[smallmovesal]

i seem to have another fan... addresses me fairly frequently

what is your other pseudonym CWM?

 

[decem]

nordstrom you fucker.. did you give me bad karma???


dayam blud.. you can't take a joke or what???



sheesh

 

[p0ink]

from what i've heard, canada has better labour laws than the US.

also, women get one year off paid by unemployment when they have babies, as opposed to the US - which ranks MUCH lower in the scale for that - at only 3 mos.

so i and everyone else should be expected to pay for someone's own personal decision to have a kid? how is that fair? that is fucking ridiculous.

 

[smallmovesal]

so i and everyone else should be expected to pay for someone's own personal decision to have a kid? how is that fair? that is fucking ridiculous.

uh dipshit, read up on your unemployment system... women are entitled to 3 mos paid leave for birthing and care. here it used to be six months but now is a year.

anyway, why would you oppose more time spent with a child? it's good for the child to be able to bond with the parent - however it is suggested a year is required for this to adequately take place. it's unemployment too, so that means the woman or the husband have worked enough to be entitled to that leave - not everyone can apply dillhole. sheesh.

thank you for letting me say dipshit and dillhole. i feel much better now.

 

[decem]

uh dipshit, read up on your unemployment system... women are entitled to 3 mos paid leave for birthing and care. here it used to be six months but now is a year.

anyway, why would you oppose more time spent with a child? it's good for the child to be able to bond with the parent - however it is suggested a year is required for this to adequately take place. it's unemployment too, so that means the woman or the husband have worked enough to be entitled to that leave - not everyone can apply dillhole. sheesh.

thank you for letting me say dipshit and dillhole. i feel much better now.

i think i love you

 

[p0ink]

oh, i am all for mothers spending time with their children, however i do not support LEGALIZED THEFT. that's exactly what it is. the government is taking money from people like me, to give to other people, even though i do not want them to. instead of using a gun to get me to give up my money, they simply threaten me with going to prison. why should i be responsible to pay for them to not work and have a kid? why can't they wait until they are financially stable before adding another mouth to feed. im so sick of this 'i dont have to take care of myself because the government will make others do it for me' attitude.

 

[smallmovesal]

poink don't be such a dumbass. it's not welfare - you pay into unemployment and when you become unemployed or have kids or go on parental or adoption leave, you are entitled to it if you have worked long enough.

*smacks hand to head* you can't read can you? essentially you're saying that if you were to get laid off of work you'd be stealing from the system if you collected unemployment. wtf?

i'm so tired of talking to dumb people.

 

[CAGED whiteman]

i seem to have another fan... addresses me fairly frequently

what is your other pseudonym CWM?

i have another handle but it is for bolex and ug to discuss bb. i only use this handle here.

do the world a favor and dont take advantage of canada's birth law.

 

[Code]

Wait a minute, is it theft if it's legal?

I mean isn't one of the definitive factors based on ordinance?

 

[smallmovesal]

ok i'll move to the US and work, then when i have kids i'll "steal from the unemployment system" like poink thinks it is...

yay 3 mos!

 

[p0ink]

smalls, you fucking moron, unemployment insurance is a joint federal and state program that provides benefits to unemployed workers who lose their jobs through no fault of their own (unlike having a kid). since employers cannot deduct any money from employees’ paychecks to pay for this program, where do you think they get this money from? FROM TAXES! so once again it leads to people living off of the system, and statistics even prove it. and back to your Parental Leave thing, it costs 1.05 billion just to run this program for 4 years in the united states, and where do you think this money comes from? growing on trees? no, it comes from fucking taxes. get your fucking facts straight.

 

[Frackal]

I love my country but I hate my government.

-Warik

 

[The Dude]

Please politely list why you dislike america, why you like it, etc.


Why i dislike it

bad healthcare & education
machivellian foreign policy
high crime rate

Why i like it

Most technology advances are from here
extremely liberal domestic policy
per capita income is 50% higher than most other 1st world countries (36k as opposed to 23k)

Bad healthcare? It's the best in the world because it's a "free" system and not a socialized one. The high crime rate is part of the cost of living in a free society. How high it goes isn't up to the government, but the patience and acceptance of the people. Of course, in the end, we are the government....

My problem with this nation is the laziness. It's getting out of hand. Couple that with all of the overeating and we're becoming a bunch of disgusting lardasses. Pitiful.

 

[Lao Tzu]

nordstrom you fucker.. did you give me bad karma???


dayam blud.. you can't take a joke or what???



sheesh

I'm just playin with yo' ohio ass, biatch.

yes, i sent the karma.

 

[smallmovesal]

poink, sweetheart, so are you saying that a woman should be able to work right after adopting or having a kid? do you think men or women should not take time to bond with their children?

if i'm paying into the system i'm not stealing from it.

 

[buddy28]

United States foriegn policy, historically, has been a piece


Poink -- traditionally, female citizens with newborns recieve unemployment insurance because rejuvination of the nations populace contributes to stablization of GDP = stablization of national tax revenue.

 

[p0ink]

no, i am saying that they should take time off at their own expense, not anyone else's, and be financially secure before having a kid. and what about people like me, who are 20 years old and dont have kids? what about people in their 60's? single people? should they be required to give their money to something that has nothing to do with them?

 

[smallmovesal]

poink have buddy spell out to you what he just said to you - in terms you'll understand.

 

[decem]

poink have buddy spell out to you what he just said to you - in terms you'll understand.

in other words.. "have him break it down knucklehead style"

 

[p0ink]

buddy, then what is all of this talk of population control? and what good can people who can't take care of themselves financially possibly do for this country, except for leech and take more? and even if they do, does that still make taking money from others 'fair'?

poink have buddy spell out to you what he just said to you - in terms you'll understand.

oh i see, since i disproved everything you said, you still go back to insinuating im stupid...makes a lot of sense.

 

[Natymike]

Please politely list why you dislike america, why you like it, etc.


Why i dislike it

bad healthcare & education

high crime rate

The US isnt even in the top 10 for crime rate. Do you not feel safe walking down the street??

And I'm not sure what you have against healthcare and education. I think its because you have maybe had some bad personal experiences. You have obviously not traveled around the world and observed other countries healthcare and education systems. Otherwise you would greatly appreciate what this country has to offer.

 

[decem]

I'm just playin with yo' ohio ass, biatch.

yes, i sent the karma.

you prick

 

[smallmovesal]

buddy, then what is all of this talk of population control? and what good can people who can't take care of themselves financially possibly do for this country, except for leech and take more? and even if they do, does that still make taking money from others 'fair'?



oh i see, since i disproved everything you said, you still go back to insinuating im stupid...makes a lot of sense.

uhhh what did you disprove... and please explain how you did so.

 

[smallmovesal]

i leave this for you to chew on for a while

http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/1998/02/18/feat/feat.2.html

i'll just point out that in canada it's up to 56 wks total leave

 

[smallmovesal]

mm and that should make poink happy.. i thought americans at least got paid for the twelve weeks. that's brutal.

 

[buddy28]

buddy, then what is all of this talk of population control?

The international campaign promoting population control targets mainly developing nations whose birth rate per couple usually exceeds 5 children. Developed countries like Canada and those in Western Europe have birth rates per married couple around 2. In Canada, where i live, married couple birth rate is less than 2 children, which indirectly explains why Canada has adopted a liberal immigration policy and aggressivily promotes multiculturism -- heavy immigration sustains current national population.

and what good can people who can't take care of themselves financially possibly do for this country, except for leech and take more? and even if they do, does that still make taking money from others 'fair'?

I think smalls was pointing out female citizens *employed* long enough to satisfy unemployment insurance eligability criteria, can recieve unemployment insurance if they elect to bear children. Im not familar with US federal unemployment insurance criteria, but it makes sense.

 

[p0ink]

uhhh what did you disprove... and please explain how you did so.

umm..about you calling me a 'dipshit' and 'dillhole' for saying other people pay for unemployment insurance and then saying money is set aside from your paycheck to pay for unemployment insurance, when in fact it isnt. employers can not take *any* money out of one's paycheck to pay for UI, but thats what you were saying. it is a joint federal and state program. and then you made sarcastic remarks about 'living off of the system' which people who are on unemployment are technically doing.

 

[smallmovesal]

I think smalls was pointing out female citizens *employed* long enough to satisfy unemployment insurance eligability criteria, can recieve unemployment insurance if they elect to bear children. Im not familar with US federal unemployment insurance criteria, but it makes sense.

i checked, and poink didn't read the link i put up... because he would be celebrating the fact that women are not a part of unemployment maternity benefits there.

buddy, please explain poink the error of his ways in the above post, where he assumes that unemployed people are leeching off of the system by collecting benefits they paid into the system...

poink, this is the last time i break it down to you:

if you work 26 weeks and have no questionable circumstances/have just cause for separation from your job, then you qualify to receive benefits up to the amount of weeks you've put in working.

do you get pay stubs? it says on your pay stub that "x"amount has been deducted for unemployment benefits... so essentially, if you collect, you're getting back what you put in.

are we clear now?

 

[smallmovesal]

ok just took a look to make sure the taxes are from the same place... and i found this for the US, at least in NY state:

In New York State, the money for unemployment insurance benefits comes from taxes paid by employers. No deductions are ever made from a worker's paycheck for it.

 

[p0ink]

it is through fucking taxes!! how can i make you understand this?! do you think there is a little bank account with your name on it with the amount of money that your employer 'put aside' (WHICH HE CANNOT FUCKING DO)? does the statement 'joint state and federal program' mean anything to you? it means it is being funded by state and federal taxes. and once again, statistics shows that people will continue to stay on unemployment until their time expires. what the fuck is thepoint to get a job if you are already getting fucking money in the mail.

and please answer what i have been asking this whole fucking time. why should i be responsible to pay for someone elses decision to have a kid? how the fuck is that my responsibility? i need my car to get to work, so if i cant afford to make payments on it to continue feeding money to the beast, do you see the government paying for my car? no. if i dont make fucking payments, it get's repossesed.

 

[p0ink]

In New York State, the money for unemployment insurance benefits comes from taxes paid by employers. No deductions are ever made from a worker's paycheck for it.

this is what i have been saying this whole time. you make it sound like YOU are putting into the system, when it isnt. someone else is. now is this starting to make ANY sense?

 

[smallmovesal]

poink, you don't read well.

first of all, i'm well aware of the system... and you are assuming i am not - in canada we individually put a small % of our cheques into the unemployment system.. but it looks like the employer taxes pay in the US - which means that you don't even pay into it at all... your employers bear the brunt. so why care anyway then? anyway, i said *essentially* you get what you put in when you collect - which would make sense for canada only at this point. i

f you don't like the idea of unemployment insurance, blame your government for putting it into practice in the 30s after the stock market crash and the depression. pardon them for looking out for the people.

secondly, READ what i posted. it said that in the US women are alotted 12 weeks UNPAID leave if they work for a company over 50 employees... so your unemployment has nothing to do with it, unlike canada's system.

 

[p0ink]

no, i read just fine. you just respond to whatever is convenient for you to respond to and you hear only what you want to hear. and i care about my employer getting taxed because why should he? corporations already get tax'ed to death. with the less money they have to spend, the less job they can create, thus furthering the economy. and once again, statistics prove that people are more inclined to ride unemployment as long as they possibly can without looking for a job, so that is why i am against it. and i dont like the government for it, and i do blame them for it, but i also blame liberal/socialists that are all for this kind of shit. taking as much as you possibly can and not giving a shit where it comes from. that is my problem with so many fucking federal programs. all it does is take money from one group and give it to another group that didnt earn it or even fucking deserve it. now please please PLEASE answer my question

WHY IS IT RIGHT TO TAKE MONEY FROM SOMEONE TO GIVE TO SOMEONE ELSE?

 

[smallmovesal]

poink, at this point, all i'm going to say that our ideologies differ.