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Why Rotating Clen w/ ECA Might Not Be As Effective As We Think

mrflexdiesel

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I have been seeing a lot of recomendations for doing a rotating split of 2 wks Clen and then 2 wks ECA. It sounded like something I would like to do, but always had this thought stuck in the back of my head that for some reason this would not be very effective because of receptor downgrading since they are both Beta Agonists. Well, after doing some research I just found this older article that had some very interesting notions in it and wanted to see what everybody else thinks of it or from there own personal experiences.

Heres the link: http://musclemonthly.com/articles/001115/001115-haycock-howz-it-work.htm

And a brief summary: People often want to compare ephedrine to Clenbuterol. This is fine as long as you realize that they act in different ways. Clenbuterol is a specific beta-2 adrenergic agonist. As such, Clenbuterol interacts directly with beta-2 receptors on muscle and fat tissue. Ephedrine, on the other hand, is not a direct beta-2 agonist. In fact, ephedrine is a poor ligand for the beta-2 receptor. Instead, ephedrine stimulates the release of noradrenaline from sympathetic nerve terminals. The noradrenaline then goes on to interact with muscle and fat cells as a nonspecific adrenergic agonist. This simply means that noradrenaline activates beta-2 receptors, but also other beta-receptors as well as alpha-receptors. So to compare ephedrine and Clenbuterol you must take into account their differences.

The differences between ephedrine and Clenbuterol are important. For example, Clenbuterol is a very potent beta-2 agonist. As a result, within 14 to 21 days, the beta-2 receptors on muscle and fat cells will be drawn into the cell membrane to reduce their availability to Clenbuterol. Then, if you continue to take it, they will be disassembled all together, leaving you insensitive to Clenbuterol. It then takes at least 2-3 weeks for receptors to replenish themselves on muscle and fat cells. Once again, ephedrine is different with respect to down regulation. Ephedrine, being a much weaker agonist, does not cause rapid desensitization and/or down-regulation of adrenergic receptors.

The catching part: Ephedrine and Clenbuterol have two different, yet similar mechanisms of action. Nevertheless, don’t use Clenbuterol and ephedrine at the same time,

or even in an alternating fashion. Both drugs work through the beta-adrenergic receptor, however, Clenbuterol will shut down beta-receptors within a few weeks. Taking ephedrine at that time will do little for you. Better to use ephedrine from the start of your diet, only switching to Clenbuterol no further than 3 weeks out from the contest.

Please let me know what you guys think on this one.
 
out of the 5 or so times i've ran clen i've only tried it alternating with eca once or twice. great post. Karma your way.
 
Thanks Rage! Yeah, it is great postcycle. I'm just trying to fine tune my precontest plans and was thinking of alternating Clen w/ ECA right down to contest time, but now I'm a little leary.
 
only thing i don't like from the article is their suggestion of splitting up the eca to smaller doses throughout the day. wouldn't this mean chances of a higher and prolonged dose in your body towards the end of the night, which in my case would = less sleep?

well with new light of this material people still have had great results while rotating the two. i have also had great results with both cases.

as for your show, perhaps a change and leave out the eca. with that said good luck with it and let us know how the show goes and what you choose to do.
 
I just finished my first two weeks on clen and I'm really happy with how it works for me. I was planning switching back to ECA for the next two weeks but it has been suggested that I switch to NYC instead. I don't know enough about NYC to back this up with facts but it's worth some research if it doesn't work on the same receptors that ECA uses.
 
I think the concern is that clen shuts down beta-2 receptors. Supposedly using ketofin (spelling?) daily with the clen upregulates the beta-2 receptors so using clen over time should not be as much of an issue.

ECA provides the mental and physical stimulation that I do not get with Clen. So, I have been using low dose ECA with moderate dose clen.
 
My thought was that it would actually give your receptors a break & at the same time allow you to continue to burn body fat while you were doing the 2 week break.

So, what you/the article are thinking is that it may actually retard the clearing of the receptors? Leaving the next 2 weeks of clen not as effective?

I'd like to find out more about how NYC effects it because it's going to be much harder (already is) to get an ECA w/out going to the black market like we already have to do for every damn thing else they make illegal.
 
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