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why doesn't everyone use HCG?
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elite hot topic
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Good question. I have never used it, myself. Some people like to use it durring a cycle as well.
Imnotdutch
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One reason that wont apply to everybody is that asthmatics can have bad reactions to it. I'm asthmatic and I dont like having bad reactions......
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Adaptek
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I got 3 5000iu amps of HCG at home. But it can have negative effects as well. It can raise estrogen considerably. So an anti-estrogen needs to be taken with it. Also it is not easy to come by.
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Yellowbomber
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HCG should be used right after your last injection till 2 weeks, after that the use of Clomid is a MUST
hayesjones
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HCG can also raise your estrogen levels I believe, so you want to start your clomid use after the HCG
As I understand it... hcg can inhibit LH by mimicking LH - rather like steroids can inhibit steroids-then-LH by mimicking testosterone (via the HPTA).
Thus you are delaying your recovery by taking hcg post-cycle. Current thinking is that hcg should be taken (if taken at all) DURING heavy cycles in order to bring size back to little balls.
Clomid and Nolvadex can both be used post-cycle to raise testosterone by blocking estrogen - which instructs the HPTA to produce more LH.
Interestingly, I read recently that valium mimicks LH? I need to find the paper to read it again - so please don't tell anyone this, it might not be significant!!! Besides which, valium is addictive.
Haven't I learnt alot.
Thus you are delaying your recovery by taking hcg post-cycle. Current thinking is that hcg should be taken (if taken at all) DURING heavy cycles in order to bring size back to little balls.
Clomid and Nolvadex can both be used post-cycle to raise testosterone by blocking estrogen - which instructs the HPTA to produce more LH.
Interestingly, I read recently that valium mimicks LH? I need to find the paper to read it again - so please don't tell anyone this, it might not be significant!!! Besides which, valium is addictive.
Haven't I learnt alot.
Gary:
That's what I thought... about the use of it that is. Mainly for extended and/or heavy cycles. Since this is my first one (I'll be doing 500 sust for 8 weeks, 400 eq for 10 weeks, and 30 dbol for 4 weeks). I think the clomid should be sufficient for getting everything back up to speed post cycle.
That's what I thought... about the use of it that is. Mainly for extended and/or heavy cycles. Since this is my first one (I'll be doing 500 sust for 8 weeks, 400 eq for 10 weeks, and 30 dbol for 4 weeks). I think the clomid should be sufficient for getting everything back up to speed post cycle.
MadMachine
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For me HCG is not something I can skip!
What you guys aren't accounting for the the time period between the normal levels of LH hormone output and the testes response to this. By maintaining testicle activity will cycling you eliminate this, allowing for faster recovery. Estrogen a problem for you? Take Arimidex. Which is another drug I use all the time. Here is by far the most effective post cycle recovery program you will ever come across.
Cycle - 8 weeks
2500 iu of HCG every 3 days (or twice a week) to keep testes active
Arimidex .25-.5 mgs a day to keep conversion enzymes in check to avoid gyno and a builup of estrogen in the Hypo. (which can delay recovery)
Lets say you were using Omnadren or Enanthate in your cycle as the longest acting compound. 6 days after your last shot of either, reduce your HCG dosage from 2500 to 1500 IU every 3 days. Maintain arimidex dosage, add clomid 100mgs/day. Proviron should be added as well to bind to SHBG, to help the arimidex keep conversion enzymes in check, a supply the Hypo. with a slight stimulus of androgen. (Most the important thing about the Proviron is the binding to SHBG.) Contine that for one week, then dump the HCG, but keep everything else right where it is for another 2-3 weeks.
Some of you are lucky, and only need clomid to recover. My body laughs at clomid as it does nothing for me. This is a plan that WILL work for anyone.
What you guys aren't accounting for the the time period between the normal levels of LH hormone output and the testes response to this. By maintaining testicle activity will cycling you eliminate this, allowing for faster recovery. Estrogen a problem for you? Take Arimidex. Which is another drug I use all the time. Here is by far the most effective post cycle recovery program you will ever come across.
Cycle - 8 weeks
2500 iu of HCG every 3 days (or twice a week) to keep testes active
Arimidex .25-.5 mgs a day to keep conversion enzymes in check to avoid gyno and a builup of estrogen in the Hypo. (which can delay recovery)
Lets say you were using Omnadren or Enanthate in your cycle as the longest acting compound. 6 days after your last shot of either, reduce your HCG dosage from 2500 to 1500 IU every 3 days. Maintain arimidex dosage, add clomid 100mgs/day. Proviron should be added as well to bind to SHBG, to help the arimidex keep conversion enzymes in check, a supply the Hypo. with a slight stimulus of androgen. (Most the important thing about the Proviron is the binding to SHBG.) Contine that for one week, then dump the HCG, but keep everything else right where it is for another 2-3 weeks.
Some of you are lucky, and only need clomid to recover. My body laughs at clomid as it does nothing for me. This is a plan that WILL work for anyone.
solidspine
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I have only done three test-based cycles,
I like long cycles as in 14-16 weeks.
I have only used HCG never clomid.
I Simply administer the HCG like a normal injection, and continue nolvadex.
The results are immediate, excellent and it slightly helps maintain your pump since it is enhancing your natural test production
I like long cycles as in 14-16 weeks.
I have only used HCG never clomid.
I Simply administer the HCG like a normal injection, and continue nolvadex.
The results are immediate, excellent and it slightly helps maintain your pump since it is enhancing your natural test production
After you stop taking HCG your natural test drops back down to where it was before you started taking it. Which is fine mid-cycle and will give your cycle a great boost. If you have not done it, try it - you will like it.
With clomid though, it raises your natural test back up and leaves it there when you stop taking it. Awesome post cycle and is also very helpful during a cycle if you need a picker-uper.
With clomid though, it raises your natural test back up and leaves it there when you stop taking it. Awesome post cycle and is also very helpful during a cycle if you need a picker-uper.
MadMachine
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VTAT said:
Well, that is way to generalized. Clomid does virtually nothing for me. The old boys will get a tad bit bigger, but nothing past that, even at 300mgs/day. Your best bet is to make sure the test you do begin to produce stays unbound and as test. Proviron will keep it unbound. Arimidex will keep it from changing over to estrogen which can lead to further supression. HCG makes everything go smoothly into transition. I wonder who set up a plan of attack like this
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MMI was just checking out the gains keeper formula under the must read section here at EF.
It writes about doing one shot of HCG (5000 IU's) one week after your last shot of test.
Does this seem reasonable? Would doing a large amount like this at once be similar to running a lower dosage through out the whole cycle.
I've heard of others running for the last few weeks of a cycle, how does that sound too?
It writes about doing one shot of HCG (5000 IU's) one week after your last shot of test.
Does this seem reasonable? Would doing a large amount like this at once be similar to running a lower dosage through out the whole cycle.
I've heard of others running for the last few weeks of a cycle, how does that sound too?
anabolic24/7
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liftsiron said:
lol@bitchtitieism... heh heh heh
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The_Eviscerator
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I used it once and broke out like I had the mumps. I haven't touched it since.
