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Why does the debt matter?

75th

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Why is the national (US) debt so important? And pray tell, why keep bringing the children into it? I keep hearing about how The Children will have to pay for it.

Yes. Yes they will. Maybe.

In the mid-80's Reagan was all but crucified for the budget deficits. There were reports left and right that America was done for. The budget shortfall was simply too much. The great-great-great grandchildren would have to pay for the tax cuts. We couldn't afford to pay for the military upgrades to stave off the Soviets. We must, must, must capitulate to the Soviets to keep the peace and balance the budget.

What did Reagan do? He bullied Congress into a tax cut, increased Defense spending and placed faith in the free market.

In case anyone hasn't heard, it worked out pretty well. Oh, not initially. There were a a number of years that we ran in the red, but we ran over the Reds. It was a pretty big victory when the Wall fell. And all you that grew up knowing that wall know that what the US did was a big part of that. We outspent them.

Fast forward about 15 years from the "crisis", and we were looking at a surplus. Record surplus!

We're facing the same thing now. Tax cut to spur the economy (still waiting for cites we're declining), a war to defeat, in essence, the essence that wishes to destroy us, people saying that our grandchildren will have to pay for this war long after we're dead. It's been said before. Often. It doesn't count anymore than in years past.

We (The US) have an insane amount of money that you know about. Add to that the billions you don't hear about.

How much money was donated just for Katrina relief? Not the billions from Washington. The money donated from private individuals so far? That's all private, non-taxed cash, and it's a a mere slice of cash donated in times that there aren't telethons.

We have money. We will have money. We can afford to float some loans. We went from life-ending deficits (I saw the Mondale commercials, too) to a surplus in less than 2 decades.

A "shortfall" isn't something to worry about.

Debate the fallacies in this. I'm willing to listen.
 
As long as other countries invest in the US we should be ok. No expert though. Taken two courses in this. Once those countries stop investing in the US we are in bad shape. Investment is the future.
 
eat big said:
As long as other countries invest in the US we should be ok. No expert though. Taken two courses in this. Once those countries stop investing in the US we are in bad shape. Investment is the future.

True, but I would think there's a limit to how much American debt the rest of the world can buy. Run too large a deficit for too long, and you'll eventually trigger nasty global economic effects like a large-scale devaluation of the dollar and very high inflation.

Wrong?
 
Then how come Bush says the Social Security trust fund is in crisis? Can't we just grow out of that problem too?

Seems like both sides play this game.
 
75th said:
True, but I would think there's a limit to how much American debt the rest of the world can buy. Run too large a deficit for too long, and you'll eventually trigger nasty global economic effects like a large-scale devaluation of the dollar and very high inflation.

Wrong?

The dollar is already dropping severely. If China decides to re-evaluate the yen then that is some serious shit.
 
I still remember that commercial from the dems that showed the tribunal of a bunch of white kids in rags, asking the politician questions about "and you weren't worried when the debt became.."

Other nation's economies and investments are so intertwined with ours that if we go down, so does everyone else........... and harder than us. You think there is a reason that we use everyone else's resources before our own? That we allow other nation's investments to finance our military actions?

The people running the financial side of this country are a lot smarter than you think.

Zig
 
eat big said:
The dollar is already dropping severely. If China decides to re-evaluate the yen then that is some serious shit.


The yuan being re-evaluated only strengthens the dollar in the long run, and helps slow China's economic growth. I'm not entirely convinced that China's economy is growing at the rates that their government claims. The Chinese have consumed 7% less oil over that last 12 months from the previous 12. You don't do that with explosive economic growth.

The euro continues to slide in value ......... hell, I'm not even convinced that the EU will still be here in 2010.

Zig
 
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