WHY does an injury end a cycle?

[oklahoma86]

I started a thread yesterday about what to do when one is injured mid cycle. The response I got is basically cut the cycle and start PCT procedures. My question now is why? I will mention that this is a simple, 500/wk x10 Test cycle Im making reference to - I can understand why some of the more risky or complicated cycles would be better or safer to just stop, but why is it that staying on cycle and being injured have to be mutually exclusive - why would one not just comlete the cycle, injured or not, especially if by the end I will be able to take advantage of the last couple weeks of it physically? If there is a downside to putting that oil in my body while Im not workin out for the next 5 or 6 weeks beyond the usual then I'll just stop, but I cant see one so Id rather just finish off the test, salvage whatever gains it leaves me with, and do a good cycle here in a few months. I dont know a whole lot, but even though I know its far from ideal but how is cutting the cycle better than just cruisin on it, otherwise followin Dr.'s orders, and just starting PCT as planned at the same time its planned, rather than at the time of injury? I know if I just save the Test I can use it for the next cycle here in a few months, but Im not worried about buying a bottle of test - if I can find one I can get two, ya know? From what I understand, this stuff encourages tissue generation besides muscle - ossicular included - so would it not actually be advantageous to be on some test while I rehab this back? Everyone Ive talked to says that I need to treat an L1 like its made of glass when injured, even when the injury is just a minor fracture (as in my case) because of the potential to damage it further when in a weakened state, so Im gonna be resting completely for about 2 weeks, doin a little cardio on the exercise bike for a week or two after that, and not touching anything even resembling a weight until just under a month from today... But what is the reasoning behind not completing the Test cycle, even when not under ideal conditions. I understanding putting off starting a cycle if you not in good enough shape, but it doesnt make sense to not finish it once youve already made it halfway or more through... what am I missing?

 

[Gamer2Be08]

I started a thread yesterday about what to do when one is injured mid cycle. The response I got is basically cut the cycle and start PCT procedures. My question now is why? I will mention that this is a simple, 500/wk x10 Test cycle Im making reference to - I can understand why some of the more risky or complicated cycles would be better or safer to just stop, but why is it that staying on cycle and being injured have to be mutually exclusive - why would one not just comlete the cycle, injured or not, especially if by the end I will be able to take advantage of the last couple weeks of it physically? If there is a downside to putting that oil in my body while Im not workin out for the next 5 or 6 weeks beyond the usual then I'll just stop, but I cant see one so Id rather just finish off the test, salvage whatever gains it leaves me with, and do a good cycle here in a few months. I dont know a whole lot, but even though I know its far from ideal but how is cutting the cycle better than just cruisin on it, otherwise followin Dr.'s orders, and just starting PCT as planned at the same time its planned, rather than at the time of injury? I know if I just save the Test I can use it for the next cycle here in a few months, but Im not worried about buying a bottle of test - if I can find one I can get two, ya know? From what I understand, this stuff encourages tissue generation besides muscle - ossicular included - so would it not actually be advantageous to be on some test while I rehab this back? Everyone Ive talked to says that I need to treat an L1 like its made of glass when injured, even when the injury is just a minor fracture (as in my case) because of the potential to damage it further when in a weakened state, so Im gonna be resting completely for about 2 weeks, doin a little cardio on the exercise bike for a week or two after that, and not touching anything even resembling a weight until just under a month from today... But what is the reasoning behind not completing the Test cycle, even when not under ideal conditions. I understanding putting off starting a cycle if you not in good enough shape, but it doesnt make sense to not finish it once youve already made it halfway or more through... what am I missing?

I have a different outlook on injuries and steroids..
When you are injured and unable to lift, you will experience muscle wasting and strength loss..

IMO, if I were injured, I would get on a moderate dose of dbol or anadrol, some low dose test and low dose deca to maintain gains and possibly speed up healing process..

That is just me though..

 

[Zyglamail]

Depends on the injury and the cycle. If your on a lot of gear and cant lift the amount of gear your on is overkill if you cant lift to get the most from it. Next depending on what you are on stopping when you get hurt likely could mean you test levels will be jacked for 4+ more weeks anyway so you will get some benefit while trying to heal. I tend to agree with Gamer a bit depending on injury and cycle. I certainly wouldnt continue a huge cycle but perhaps cut back down to low dose test only if your already on it to reduce atrophy while healing and increased red blood cells can help the healing.

 

[Gamer2Be08]

Depends on the injury and the cycle. If your on a lot of gear and cant lift the amount of gear your on is overkill if you cant lift to get the most from it. Next depending on what you are on stopping when you get hurt likely could mean you test levels will be jacked for 4+ more weeks anyway so you will get some benefit while trying to heal. I tend to agree with Gamer a bit depending on injury and cycle. I certainly wouldnt continue a huge cycle but perhaps cut back down to low dose test only if your already on it to reduce atrophy while healing and increased red blood cells can help the healing.

BINGO^^^

Exactly what I meant..
Forgot to say you wont be really lifting, while on the low/moderate gear dose.. Just light movements, food and rest..

 

[oklahoma86]

Yeah I meant to include that in my original post as an option... I was thinkin maybe 125 or 250 mg Test C a week that Im outta the gym, (in 1 pin or 2... would it matter? I currently pin twice a week), that also leaves more left for when Im back at it!! =) That said, I am hesitant to mess with my test levels like that without further advice - is it a good idea to go from 500 mg for 5 weeks, to a week off completely, to almost a month with 1/2 to 1/4 the original amount, then back up to 500mg a week? That seems like thats a lot of level shifts! And Im on Beastdrol at the moment - should I keep takin that, and what Amount ? Thanks for the response guys this is the discussion I was really wanting to have yesterday with my post, but made it sound like I was asking people to co sign me being overeager to get back in the gym and not waste a cycle, so it was responded to accordingly! Im curious for any more thoughts guys...

 

[Gamer2Be08]

My injury cycle would look like so:
200mg test-e a week
80-100mg deca a week
25mg dbol ED
N2guard
Forma Stanzol
HCGenerate
Gear
Possible IGF lr3 and or HGH

 

[Gamer2Be08]

thanks... I'll probably be able to do 200/wk test, 20 Beastdrol ED, forma, HCGenerate, Need2Slin 20mg ED, and maybe get some N2Guard and/or Gear. How important are those last two products for the overall success of the 'injury cycle', in your opinion? I dont have them on hand. And then kick right back up to original dose when you get back in the gym till end of cycle/out of juice, then PCT?

Woa, beastrol is more toxic than dbol, keep it at 10mg a day.
N2guard is important because it will protect your organs you will get from being on the AAS.. Your recovering right? Better to keep your whole health in check..

As for gear, I have heard of people gaining muscle while cutting on gear..

 

[oklahoma86]

thanks... I'll probably be able to do 200/wk test, 20 Beastdrol ED, forma, HCGenerate, Need2Slin 20mg ED, and maybe get some N2Guard and/or Gear. How important are those last two products for the overall success of the 'injury cycle', in your opinion? I dont have them on hand. And then kick right back up to original dose when you get back in the gym till end of cycle/out of juice, then PCT?

 

[oklahoma86]

didnt see the part about the beast... Ill just do 1 cap ED!

 

[Power36]

Just tore my lateral quad last night on last set of squats....Im on HRT weekly 200mg T/21iu GH/HCG/100mg Deca and have a few more weeks 400mg Primo....I was gonna finish off the Primo and continue with the others, if not was curious if I should bump up the Deca initially for a few weeks to help the recovery process at all?

Ill be damned even though I preach against overtraining and am a year in coming back from a 3 year medical layoff with serious health problems, I think I was overdoing it with my training and just pushed a fatigued quad too far....lucky nothing else broke or got hurt....

Im all for opinions but with 2 or 3 weeks of Primo left Im not saving enough for another cycle so might as well use it...and I can bump up the Deca dose if I want past 100mg if it would help healing? I have some dbol stashed (never used it in my life) and some Avavar left over too from a previous script....any thoughts or suggestions on what to run to improve healing?

I will continue lifting upper body, and working my healthy leg, and doing conditioning in a creative fashion with upper body as my leg heals....so I wont be sitting around....

I hear GH is the best for injury recovery, but I cannot afford a grand a month to bump up my dose any higher

 

[nachomscl]

I could be wrong, but I believe you want to be careful with too much estrogen supression during pct as estro can help conective tissue. Oh and I'm not sure I'd continue the beast just because of the liver toxicity.

 

[Power36]

Just curious, why the Dbol as part of recovery stack? Im not questioning you at all, Im a total newbie to AAS so was just wondering what its properties are in healing that are special. I think we have all seen on all the boards the one article (which although awesome no one has ever shown resources to back it), showing which AAS are good for collagen resythesis...deca, primo, anavar, equipoise...and that supposedly over 200mg Test is counter productive to connective tissue (which that one I find hard to swallow since it could be so individualized per a persons size etc).....

I have 10mg Dbol tabs I just got for the hell of it a long time ago...if they have some healing property about them Ill throw them down the hatch....cranking up the BCAA, protein, EFAs, and anti oxidants at this time too

 

[ArmaniAK47]

I only read the first few responses... But I tend to think/agree that AAS could help speed the healing process of most injuries.. perhaps all of them..

I agree with Zyg, however, that it is injury and dose dependent.. You may not need 1000mgs+ a week.. but the dose you are on seems fine.

 

[Power36]

Anything on the dbol in a recovery stack? Next week is my last week Primo, was going to stick to my regular HRT after that of T and GH, and continue Deca 150mg for another 6 weeks. Id dbol has some sort of recovery property in small dosages, I would do it. Im still lifting and doing conditioning upper body but would do it primarily for quad tear to heal up...

 

[ALIN]

It always been my opinion that if injured and you cant train 100%,,,then you shouldnt stqay on cycle.

 

[Power36]

Well I only have one more week after this, so its not like 8 amps of Primo could do me any good alone down the road, so might as well finish....as well, I am still training upper body very hard and will be training the good leg starting tomorrow and work around the injury....which if you know what your doing and its not a back/core injury, you can still train a ton around an isolated injury....

Im just curious whats up with the dbol thing....Im on HRT so will continue T and GH, Deca was part of my HRT but I ditched it a long time ago, had some left so started ironically right before this injury just to push off some joint pains, but if it has healing properties will run it low dose for a short amount of time in case it gives me a fraction of a healing advantage....until this thread I never heard of dbol as part of an injury healing plan, and since i have some 10mg tabs thought what the hell if its worth it id do it....

 

[oklahoma86]

Thanks for all the advice, I went ahead and stayed on 200mg/wk of the test, cut out the beastdrol, following dr.s orders as far as NO lifting... Im gonna kick back up to 500-600mg/wk depending on how much I have left once I can get back in the gym without hurting myself, then run that for 4 or 5 weeks, then PCT. I dont know if its just me putting on body fat, but I am still gaining weight and I dont think its water cause I am dehydrated as fuck now, and was VERY hydrated before the injury (Im trying to drink a gallon of water a day but since I got hurt have done AWFUL... have to make a point of gettin back on that today!), and think that judging by the mirror that I am gaining some muscle mass as well since ive been out of the gym... any possibility of this, or am I seeing fat increase as muscle? I know it doesnt sound right besides the fact that Im still on the test, HCGenerate, and Formastanzol, but it REALLY looks like Im still getting lean gains just keepin my diet ok and stayin on the test and supps. Not the way I'd choose to do things, but getting gains and not being able to do anything about it seems better than watching yourself wither away (which I can tell after a couple weeks of not doin anything) and not be able to do anything about it, least to me!