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I'm sick of hearing about it. What a bunch of sick fucks! On top of it all the church keeps hiding the facts and the molesters.
Why can't priests keep their hands off altar boys?
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I'm sick of hearing about it. What a bunch of sick fucks! On top of it all the church keeps hiding the facts and the molesters.
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All in the house of "God"!
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JohnyJuice
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Priests are human too. Dont talk shit about the Church or priests because of these individuals. I went to Catholic school, and the priests there were true leaders, and represented all that a man should stand for. They preached strength, yet also preached compassion and mercy at the same time. They taught us it was right to fight for what is right. I learned many lessons.
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JohnyJuice said:
A blind "sheep ", "heard" from.
Baaaah!
I, not being a sheep, am free to "talk shit" without guilt.
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JohnyJuice
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No, i am not a sheep. YOu shouldnt classify all preists into this category of kid fuckers though. Even if you dont believe in shit, you should at least be able to respect what they stand for.
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JohnyJuice
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Roadblock said:Sure, not all priests are bad but this kind of perversions does happend and have happend a little too frequently lately
I agree. i am not defending these priests who do this in the least. If found guilty, they should gt the chair. I just dont want to see priests as a whole have their image tarnished.
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JohnyJuice said:
So you're saying the church and other priests did not try to hide this well known fact , which is just as bad as doing the deed. What do they stand for? A book written 2000 years ago by people who didn't even have shoes on their feet?
If the church is of such great morals why don't they pay taxes like everybody else?
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Pamela
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The ones that are doing the molesting
will have to answer to God!
will have to answer to God!
The Church has done nothing but try to cover up the fact that they have a handful of pedofiles in their ranks. This makes them and enabler and in essence a coconspirator to these acts. I hope they have to pay out so much money they end up selling all that high dollar art work they have stuck every where in the vatican.
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Bigsatan13 said:
I'm sick of hearing about it. What a bunch of sick fucks! On top of it all the church keeps hiding the facts and the molesters.
I have my own theory about this. Unlike the protestant religion, Priests are required to take a vow of celibacy. (The Bible does not mandate this, by the way). Naturally, it is hard to find good men to join the priesthood. The protestants don't have that problem.
What kind of men are likely to take a vow of celibacy at a young age? Some dedicated men, I'm sure, but also probably a few who have some sexual hang-ups, or don't like women...
vixenbabe
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I was brought up in a strict Catholic family.
Nuns and priests were part of my daily life in private school. They were tough on us kids, but not perverted! Not all priests were/are nutcases.
I'm at a loss with how the chruch is trying to sweep all this under the cover's. WHY the hell they allowed these bad seeds move from one parish to another is beyond me. SHAME ON THEM..SHAME, SHAME SHAME!
But like Pam said, they will have to answer for their actions someday...NOT ONLY WILL THE PRIESTS WHO TOOK AWAY THESE KID'S INNOCENCE, BUT THE ONE'S WHO ALLOWED IT TO CONTINUE AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT!
Nuns and priests were part of my daily life in private school. They were tough on us kids, but not perverted! Not all priests were/are nutcases.
I'm at a loss with how the chruch is trying to sweep all this under the cover's. WHY the hell they allowed these bad seeds move from one parish to another is beyond me. SHAME ON THEM..SHAME, SHAME SHAME!
But like Pam said, they will have to answer for their actions someday...NOT ONLY WILL THE PRIESTS WHO TOOK AWAY THESE KID'S INNOCENCE, BUT THE ONE'S WHO ALLOWED IT TO CONTINUE AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT!
musclebrains
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I agree with ttl (alert the media). The vow of celibacy -- and the church's misogyny, too, I'd argue -- contribute significantly to this problem.
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spentagn said:
You like t hose, huh?
RyanH
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I agree with JohnnyJuice (imagine that)---a few bad priests should not reflect badly on all priests---the vasts majority of priests do not prey on young boys.
At the same time, I also agree with Wodin--the Vatican has been very complicit in allowing these abuses to go unchecked. The Pope has literally said nothing addressing these alleged abuses, and the American courts continue to allow the church to remain free from liability. If a daycare center or a school had employees that committed these atrocious acts you can bet they would be hauled into court, and eventually placed into bankruptcy because of the large number of claims they would have to pay. For example, look at the governments recent actions againt Arther Anderson----Anderson is about to pay BIGTIME for the actions of only a few of its employees. Will the church have to do the same? Of course not.
Thus, our legal system seriously needs to look at opening liability to churches and religious institutions. Criminal and civil liability will only lead to more deterrence and accountability.
Finally, I disagree with Musclebrains. While I do believe that the tenant of celibacy is most undesirable, most priests and nuns have lived by it with much success. For instance, Mother Theresa and the Pope expressed their love to millions of people instead of just expressing their love through one individual. Simply because many of us (myself included) are sexed-out, is no reason to feel that everyone else must be as well.
Ryan.
At the same time, I also agree with Wodin--the Vatican has been very complicit in allowing these abuses to go unchecked. The Pope has literally said nothing addressing these alleged abuses, and the American courts continue to allow the church to remain free from liability. If a daycare center or a school had employees that committed these atrocious acts you can bet they would be hauled into court, and eventually placed into bankruptcy because of the large number of claims they would have to pay. For example, look at the governments recent actions againt Arther Anderson----Anderson is about to pay BIGTIME for the actions of only a few of its employees. Will the church have to do the same? Of course not.
Thus, our legal system seriously needs to look at opening liability to churches and religious institutions. Criminal and civil liability will only lead to more deterrence and accountability.
Finally, I disagree with Musclebrains. While I do believe that the tenant of celibacy is most undesirable, most priests and nuns have lived by it with much success. For instance, Mother Theresa and the Pope expressed their love to millions of people instead of just expressing their love through one individual. Simply because many of us (myself included) are sexed-out, is no reason to feel that everyone else must be as well.
Ryan.
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RyanH said:
Therefore you disagree with me (suprise!). As I stated, many dedicated individuals take the vow of celibacy as a selfless act of dedication. Some others probably are able to do it because they have nothing to lose by taking the vow not to have sex with women, because they have no desire to do so (i.e. are attracted to men or boys).
##spiderbaby##
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I'll venture to say that there are percentage wise just as many Janitor pedophiles maybe more, than these sickening preists.
The church really has a huge responsibility and they should be held accountable for covering this up.
Vixenbabe- My cousin is a Nun. She's 33.
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The church really has a huge responsibility and they should be held accountable for covering this up.
Vixenbabe- My cousin is a Nun. She's 33.
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the nature boy
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screw that vow of celebacy. they need to let those dudes get married. Times have changed.
Re: Re: Why can't priests keep their hands off altar boys?
This is very reasonable and logical answer. Good job total ttlpkg. And you are right the Bible says it is up to the individual to decide if they should take a wife or not. That is another problem I have with the Catholic church is dictating policy that is not of the Bible.
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This is very reasonable and logical answer. Good job total ttlpkg. And you are right the Bible says it is up to the individual to decide if they should take a wife or not. That is another problem I have with the Catholic church is dictating policy that is not of the Bible.
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The Nature Boy said:
the catholic church is one of the most rigid institutions in the world. Don't expect that in our lifetimes.....while the Vatican is out of touch with most American Catholics (on issues of contraception, divorce, etc), many other catholics, such as Italian Catholics more closely adhere to the church's teachings.
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RyanH said:
I am not suggesting that. I am sure that 100% of those that decide to join the priesthood have great intentions to help others. What I am suggesting is that taking a vow of celibacy at a young age is a tremendous commitment, and it is not unreasonable to deduct that at least some of those who become priests are not sexually inclined towards women in the first place.
musclebrains
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RyanH said:I.
Finally, I disagree with Musclebrains. While I do believe that the tenant of celibacy is most undesirable, most priests and nuns have lived by it with much success. For instance, Mother Theresa and the Pope expressed their love to millions of people instead of just expressing their love through one individual. Simply because many of us (myself included) are sexed-out, is no reason to feel that everyone else must be as well.
Ryan.
Celibacy should be optional and women should be allowed to occupy positions of leadership in the church. The erotic may be sublimated in divine love and humanitarian work but I think that expectation is pretty archaic in our time. And I think the claim that "most priests and nuns" have lived celibately with success is quite dubious.
As it turns out there's an interesting discussion of this in the New Yorker this week. One interesting fact is the way priests' "vows" are quite bendable. For example, the vow of poverty does not extend to inheritance.
Ryan, you might wanna do a little research on MOther Theresa, by the way. Did you ever read Christopher HItchens' pieces on her?
One hundred years ago, Freud noted that the repression of the erotic was modernity's crime. The church, by mandating celibacy generally, except for marital procreative sex, is a continuing mechanism of that repression. It's no wonder that the priesthood itself should erupt into such a widespread symptomatic expression of the repression.
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musclebrains said:
Brother, you're going to the wrong church! Where I come from, the joy of sex within the sanctity of marriage is not only encouraged, but promoted, and not just for procreation, for recreation and satisfaction.
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##spiderbaby## said:
perhaps. but the media will only report ad nauseum about those who are Catholic priests. Janitors don't make headlines.
RyahH - I interpret your comment on the adherence of Italians to Catholic dogma, being that it characterizes the tendencies and beliefs of an entire population, as prejudicial, racist, and bigoted. However, you have full right to say what you want, even if offensive and misguided.
I agree. Although I have no idea that about the number of janitor pedophiles I do know that you are more likely to be molested by a family member. By using some of the logic found on this thread (the earlier posts), that would mean that all family members are pedohiles.
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ttlpkg said:
WEll, I ain't Catholic, but the church's official policy is still to discourage any sex for pleasure and it's silly to think that the vow of celibacy taken by priests doesn't in part reflect and reinforce that dogma.
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RyanH said:
WEll, honestly, I'm not so sure. Perhaps this is true of the laity. As it happens, my best friend is at the Vatican and I have spent many many afternoons with radical, queer priests who hold high ranking positions there. I even know one who is, with Vatican funding, writing a history of crossdressing among priests. His idea is that it was a fundamental aspect of the priesthood's early appeal.
The Catholic Church is a complex, mysterious institution -- at once backward and profound. LIke any institution, its dogma often operates independent of its practice. Its mystical tradition, not much followed any more, is astonishing.
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musclebrains said:
Okay, I see that you are speaking about the catholic church and not the church in general. I am a protestant.
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RyanH - I'm not going to get into a big thing here, as I know it will lead nowhere. if you truly believe some of the stuff you write here regarding prejudging entire groups of people based on single encounters, stereotyping, etc., then you cannot call classifying the entire Italian peninsula as you did anything other than hypocrisy.
I am not arguing the truth of their strict/non-strict Catholicism, but rather that you are classifying the population as a whole. This same practice, when applied to "minorities," is immediately and conclusively evil, independent of truth. PC, by definition, means that it does not matter whether what you say is true or not -- the voicing and application of it to a population in gross is per se inexcusable.
what you said was certainly prejudicial and bigoted - reread your post out loud, while substituting the phrase "most Blacks" instead of "most Italians" - you are doing exactly what you constantly, monotonously lecture everyone else not to do.
I am not arguing the truth of their strict/non-strict Catholicism, but rather that you are classifying the population as a whole. This same practice, when applied to "minorities," is immediately and conclusively evil, independent of truth. PC, by definition, means that it does not matter whether what you say is true or not -- the voicing and application of it to a population in gross is per se inexcusable.
what you said was certainly prejudicial and bigoted - reread your post out loud, while substituting the phrase "most Blacks" instead of "most Italians" - you are doing exactly what you constantly, monotonously lecture everyone else not to do.
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Engine9 said:
I agree with you. If you look at this board as a sampling (one fucked up society
) you can see how the media can honestly shape peoples views. I know we all know this but I wanted to point it out again.the media will only report ad nauseum about those who are Catholic priests. Janitors don't make headlines.
That in itself is a problem. Really it a major problem that has no real way of being addressed except with legislation which I am firmly against. The funny thing is we have all these "controls" gun control, racial control, income control how long before we bring about "speach control" on ourselves?
anyway...
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RyanH
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Prometheus said:
Being a bigot means being intolerant, and in no way am I intolerant of Italian Catholics. There is, however, an undeniable fact----Italian Catholics are more conservative than American Catholics which is similar to saying that the citizens of Massachusetts are more liberal than the citizens of Mississippi.
There's nothing intolerant in that statement since I am not nor have I ever alleged that one group is more or less legitimate or worthy than the other.
Analyze any social/cultural data, and you will find that American Catholics to be more liberal than their counterparts.
At any rate, nice try!
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what a great album. a story of lies, deception, coruption and a struggle to resist ones own thoughts. everytime i listen to it, theres something new there. although it may not seem the same in subject matter, i put it up there with RUSHs' "2112".Roadblock said:
its not suprising about the priest, pedophiles tend to be in positions of authority, whether conciously or sub-consiously. priest, counselers, scout masters, policemen, teachers, father-figures(marrying single parent moms), etc. go where the prey is.
a ring of them were just arrested in texas recently, there were policemen, clergymen, teachers, etc. its fucking sick.
do a search on where the sex offenders are, and you'll be surprised that they are in you nieghborhood.
last year there was a string of attempted abductions in my town. it was the end of the school year. and for a week there were at least 5 attempts. my nine year old daughter was the first one. walking home from school two blocks away. luckily she knew exactly what to do.
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dgreenhill said:
Go fuck yourself! I started this thread ! You would never say that shit to my face! Do you think sticking up for the church will pay off in the end?Bigsatan13
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dgreenhill said:
Fuck you again scumbag! What do you have a gay priest as a lover? Get over it asshole.
