Why are these astronaunts being called HEROS?

[AAP]

Did they resolve a crisis? No.

Did they divert a disaster? No.

Did they save anyone's life? No.

So why are they heros? Basically all they did was ride a rocket and get blown up. Would we be calling them HEROS if they made it back safely?

I fail to see the heroic aspect of their situation. Don't get me wrong. They were courageous. They were respectful. They were role models because they grew up chasing a dream of going into outer space and made it a reality. However, I don't think dream chasers are heros. They died doing something that they spent a large part of their life training for.

They were a tradegy. But they were no heros.

 

[jesus 2]

100% agreed

 

[Burning_Inside]

Well you know how it is and all........

 

[bwood]

Would we be calling them HEROS if they made it back safely?

i would...

the space program is still in its
technological infancy...

i am surprised that so few accidents
have happened...

these people knew this and still
chose to light the candle...

brave mfers...heroes to me aap...

 

[AAP]

Brave? Yes. But no heros. Astronauts have a better survival rate and odds than a firefighter in a burning building or a cop making a late night traffic stop.

 

[bwood]

Brave? Yes. But no heros. Astronauts have a better survival rate and odds than a firefighter in a burning building or a cop making a late night traffic stop.

i would agree that the media needs to
quit proclaiming them heroes...

 

[AAP]

i would agree that the media needs to
quit proclaiming them heroes...

Yeah. Just keep agreeing with me and you will go places kid.

 

[bwood]

Yeah. Just keep agreeing with me and you will go places kid.

ass...

 

[AAP]

ass...

I AIN'T GOING THERE. DAMN! HERE COMES THAT GAY SHIT AGAIN. I SWEAR YOU GUYS GOT ME WRONG.


take yo stickley and go home.

 

[Testosterone boy]

They are being prepped for fortunes to be made selling memorabilia. We Americans eventually turn everything into currency.

Whats with the sudden heroism of firefighters? You know the actual odds of a career firefighter dieing in a collapsing or burning building? Almost zero.

The real heroes for me are the sexy women who go out in public and spread happiness with their flimsy clothing and provocative manner.



Ah...the internet.

 

[PHATchik]

Brave? Yes. But no heros. Astronauts have a better survival rate and odds than a firefighter in a burning building or a cop making a late night traffic stop.

Hmmm, are you going to say that you don't consider them heroes either? Frankly, all three fields are filled with people who put their lives on the line for us. Astronauts know that there is a chance they won't make it back. A firefighter knows this fire may be his last. And a cop never knows if he is going to meet the person that will take his life.

I think those astronauts were heroes, whether they lived or died.

 

[Rockafella Skank]

Did they save anyone's life? No.

The research they conducted in space, had they arrived safely home, may have saved someone's life.

 

[VicTusDeuS]

Re: Re: Why are these astronaunts being called HEROS?

The research they conducted in space, had they arrived safely home, may have saved someone's life.

Does that make a scientist a hero? He makes new cures for diseases.

Ya know, many of our technological advancements and scientific innovations have been developed by our military as protection or some sort of weapon for war. Eventually this technology is redesigned or has a use found from it so it can save lives...Since Saddam and Osama want to have a war with us, do you consider them hero's as well?

 

[PHATchik]

Re: Re: Re: Why are these astronaunts being called HEROS?

Does that make a scientist a hero? He makes new cures for diseases.

Ya know, many of our technological advancements and scientific innovations have been developed by our military as protection or some sort of weapon for war. Eventually this technology is redesigned or has a use found from it so it can save lives...Since Saddam and Osama want to have a war with us, do you consider them hero's as well?

How can you even compare them? These people were fighting to save lives, without destroying any others.

 

[Warik]

Hero:
1) a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities
2) one that shows great courage

Sounds accurate to me.

-Warik

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

I AIN'T GOING THERE. DAMN! HERE COMES THAT GAY SHIT AGAIN. I SWEAR YOU GUYS GOT ME WRONG.

Well.. what did you expect with a name of "Anal AssPlorer"?

thats ok.. its AAP now though.. so I guess I can call you... Anal AssPlugger... or Ass And Penis...

 

[biteme]

The media always says shit like that. They are suddenly heroes because they died doing their work. We are all potential heroes following that logic.

 

[PHATchik]

Hero:
1) a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities
2) one that shows great courage

Sounds accurate to me.

-Warik

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[MortyJackson]

The Israeli one is a hero to many. He was an Israeli Air Force pilot that was involved in destroying Iraq's nuclear facility in 1981. That raid stopped Iraq from building nukes.

 

[XBiker]

They were called hero's for the fact that they gave their lives doing something they believed was important.

Space exploration is risky business. While we have enjoyed great successes in this area with little loss of life, you step on that shuttle knowing your ass may never see this earth again.

I think you should show a little more respect for the deceased.

 

[gymtime]

Maybe in a couple years after the hype has died down, we can arrange for you to dance on their graves.

 

[Austin316]

I don't think they are going above and beyond themselves to directly save ayones life. I think they did a job that thy loved and an accident happened.. do not throw Hero around loosely, a firefighter that rushes into a buringbilding to ave aother is a lot diff then a astronaut comming hoe and somethign bad happens

 

[AustinTX]

Think I'll just call AAP "Ass" now, you know fewer syllables, more accurate description

Anyone who dies in service of their country is called a "hero".

Including those who die in war and never heroically killed an enemy soilder or saved a buddy from harm. Why don't you try saying the same thing about our soilders getting killed and see how far you get?

The fact that they knowingly risked their lives for their country, and gave the ultimate scarifice makes them heroes.

Believe me they know the risks. Will updates and life insurance planning are part of every mission. The percentage of astronauts who have died in the line of duty (many also military, but died on Nasa bus. vs. military) is undoubtedly higher than the armed forces.

Hero:
1) a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities
2) one that shows great courage

Sounds accurate to me.

-Warik

 

[biteme]

If they were heroes, then they were heroes b4 they died as well.

 

[manny78]

Agree with AAP

Cause otherwise we'd need to consider Dennis Tito a hero too....

 

[cccp]

not on the topic, but AAP, when will you change your avatar? You 've had this one for quite some time now. And wasn't it you who had a snowman dressed in leather with a strap-on in your avatar before?

 

[AAP]

I think you should show a little more respect for the deceased.

I think you need to go back to sucking a little more cock to try to balance out that estrogen load in your body.







Apparently, manny, supernav, Austin316, VicTus and biteme are the ones that see the logic of what I am saying.

Don't give me that logic of dying for their country. You know damn well that they were up there for selfish reasons too. Face it, everyone wants to be an astronaut and see outer space. Even myself. And as far as dying for the purpose of research... then how about these people that volunteer themselves into research like Emory University's program where they stop your heart for 15 minutes (clinically dead) and then bring you back using experimental drugs. Some of those people don't make it back. Are they heros?

What about the ground troops who died in war? Are they heros? I would say that some of them are. Actually, a great many of them are. But you never hear anyone calling them that. John F Kennedy died for (and because) of his country. Do you call him a hero?

And while it can not be argued that they showed great courage.. when it comes down to it, they possessed more advanced and intense training than courage. They had the training. They had the simulation flights. They had the variables worked out to their favor. This was more calculated risk and response than courage.

Amazing? Yes they were. Respectful? Yes indeed. Dedicated and Committed to their country? Without a doubt. But HEROS they were not.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Don't give me that logic of dying for their country. You know damn well that they were up there for selfish reasons too. Face it, everyone wants to be an astronaut and see outer space. Even myself. And as far as dying for the purpose of research... then how about these people that volunteer themselves into research like Emory University's program where they stop your heart for 15 minutes (clinically dead) and then bring you back using experimental drugs. Some of those people don't make it back. Are they heros?

Wait a second. Stopped heart for 15 minutes. Can they breathe with a stopped heart. They can't go 15 minutes without oxygen. A stopped heart will not replenish the brains need for fresh oxygen.

Seems brain damage would be unavoidable. How do they deal with that?

 

[AustinTX]

...
Don't give me that logic of dying for their country. You know damn well that they were up there for selfish reasons too. Face it, everyone wants to be an astronaut and see outer space. Even myself. And as far as dying for the purpose of research... then how about these people that volunteer themselves into research like Emory University's program where they stop your heart for 15 minutes (clinically dead) and then bring you back using experimental drugs. Some of those people don't make it back. Are they heros?

What about the ground troops who died in war? Are they heros? I would say that some of them are. Actually, a great many of them are.

And while it can not be argued that they showed great courage.. when it comes down to it, they possessed more advanced and intense training than courage. They had the training. They had the simulation flights. They had the variables worked out to their favor. This was more calculated risk and response than courage.

So soldiers, firemen, police officers, and anyone else trained to do something that results in a heroic act isn't heroic, becuase they were trained for it??? Get a grip.

As for the calculated risk vs. courage, it is also a calculated risk when a cop steps in between a bullet and a civilian, the bad guy could miss, their vest could get it, a shot may not be fired, but they could be killed. Either way it is a heroic thing to be prepared to sacrifice your life for something or someone.

As for being up there for selfish reasons too, I have to disagree. It takes years of prep, going through the selection process, and years before a flight. All this at a laughably low salary compared to industry. After all, they would all be fairly high up on the management or research areas of private companies, best of the best, almost all mission/payload specialists have PHDs or MDs. There are also quite a few career astronauts who never leave for more money elsewhere; John Young, Bob Cabana, Story Musgrave, Shannon Lucid, to name a few. Heck, Neil Armstrong is a professor in the NE, probably not pulling in insane amounts of cash.

I think the problem is that your definition of HERO does not match that of the dictionary. By the dictionary definition they are most certainly heros.

1. In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods.
2. A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.
3. A person noted for special achievement in a particular field: the heroes of medicine

 

[manny78]

So soldiers, firemen, police officers, and anyone else trained to do something that results in a heroic act isn't heroic, becuase they were trained for it??? Get a grip.

As for the calculated risk vs. courage, it is also a calculated risk when a cop steps in between a bullet and a civilian, the bad guy could miss, their vest could get it, a shot may not be fired, but they could be killed. Either way it is a heroic thing to be prepared to sacrifice your life for something or someone.

As for being up there for selfish reasons too, I have to disagree. It takes years of prep, going through the selection process, and years before a flight. All this at a laughably low salary compared to industry. After all, they would all be fairly high up on the management or research areas of private companies, best of the best, almost all mission/payload specialists have PHDs or MDs. There are also quite a few career astronauts who never leave for more money elsewhere; John Young, Bob Cabana, Story Musgrave, Shannon Lucid, to name a few. Heck, Neil Armstrong is a professor in the NE, probably not pulling in insane amounts of cash.

I think the problem is that your definition of HERO does not match that of the dictionary. By the dictionary definition they are most certainly heros.

1. In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods.
2. A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.
3. A person noted for special achievement in a particular field: the heroes of medicine

So answer my question: is Dennis Tito a hero ? He was trained like any other astronaut for months.

 

[AAP]

So answer my question: is Dennis Tito a hero ? He was trained like any other astronaut for months.

Thank you.

Had they not died, would they still be heros.

 

[Testosterone boy]

There are many professions that are far, far more dangerous and arguably....more necessary to us. Construction work, electricians, heavy industry to name a few.

 

[musclebrains]

WE also often refer to the protagonist in a work of literature as the hero. The word also describes a sandwich. It's not, in short, such an explicit word.

It's a Greek word invented by Homer to describe men, often very strong ones, who were favored by the gods and often deified for performing noble or great acts of sacrifice. Its use now has been extended to describe anyone who earns public veneration for achievements that capture the public imagination because of their bravery, fortitude, quality of soul, etc.

In other words, heroes are selected by circumstance. One of the lessons Odysseus learned over and over was that it is foolish to set out to be a hero. Heroism is the capacity to respond fearlessly in the face of adversity. Fate and the imagination of the public make "heroes" but many people behave heroically.