Why are Americans so violent?????????

[VballPlayer]

Just was listening to the radio this morning. There was this guy on there named Michael Moore, he is a film maker and he has a documentary film out about the rise of violence in the United States. It was very disturbing to hear how high the murder rate is here in the US compared to other countries. It is not only disturbing it is alarming. The movie is called Bowling for Colombine. What he is attempting to do is get some answers why the US is so violent. Last year there were 11,000 people murdered in the United States, Canada had 100. He thought that there has to be a correlation between guns and murder rate. Well, when he traveled to Canada he found out that more than half of Canadian households have guns in them, but then why such a low murder rates compared to the US. Why are Americans so prone to kill instead of talking out their differences? How come such a similar country as Canada can have such a low murder rates and the US have such a high murder rate? It is even more disturbing to here how low the murder rates are in Europe and Japan compared to ours. Cities like Washington DC had more murders in a year than most countries in the world. Why is that I wonder? Canadians watch the same TV; they play the same violent video games, the listen to the same Marilynn Manson and Ice Tea CDs. Why are they so more civilized when it comes to not picking up a weapon and murdering someone? Before you say well we have so many more people in the United States our murder rate per capita is still something like 20 times that of Canada (cannot remember the exact figure) Anyway, I am going to check out this movie, I heard it is great and I also heard Charlton Heston makes a fool out of himself and the NRA had better get another spokes person.

 

[Bullit]

We are civilized and you are barbarians.

Plus our laws forbid guns to have triggers.
All gun-related deaths occur when someone is beat about the head with one.

Or if the barrel is sharpened, transforming it into a spear.

 

[knight69]

because BOYS like flashman get sooooooo upset at every little tiny thing. its a shame they dont know where the ignore button is!!!!!!!!

 

[WODIN]

I watched the trailer for his new flick, "Bowling for Columbine" and in it...A bank gave him a rifle for opening a checking account, he goes "Now don't you think it's stupid to give someona gun in a bank?"...I rolled.

Plus I loved the line..."Thank you for not shooting me."

You have to see the flick.

 

[2Thick]

Michael Moore is a great filmaker.

 

[KHMER ROGUE]

http://www.gangsofnewyork.com

America was born in the Streets!!!!!!

 

[HappyScrappy]

I'm likely moving this summer to a place where they don't have guns.
I'm more likely to get stabbed.

hard to snipe someone with a knife.

 

[2Thick]

I'm likely moving this summer to a place where they don't have guns.
I'm more likely to get stabbed.

hard to snipe someone with a knife.

What about the knife throwers?

 

[HappyScrappy]

What about the knife throwers?

I'd be very interested in meeting the guy that can throw a knife accurately for 250 feet.

 

[VballPlayer]

http://www.gangsofnewyork.com

America was born in the Streets!!!!!!

So were most countries. The British were said to have ruled the world by the point of a gun barrel for over 300 years, but they have an extremely low murder rate, Belfast where there has been fighting in the streets just recently is a safer place to live than the most United States cities. Japan was a country ran by battling warlords but they have a murder rate in the low teens. He address this in the movie also how most countries had a violent and tumultuous past but they seemed have grown out of it but the US has not. So the argument that America was born on the streets holds not water, it has to be something else. Why, do you think that is?

 

[Bullit]

I'd be very interested in meeting the guy that can throw a knife accurately for 250 feet.

So you are worried about guns @ 250 feet?
Sounds like you are scared of being assasinated. I didnt know you were in such a position of power!

 

[HappyScrappy]

So you are worried about guns @ 250 feet?
Sounds like you are scared of being assasinated. I didnt know you were in such a position of power!

you have no idea

I'm actually scared most of the wind changing direction.

and puppies.

freaks my shit out.

 

[GinNJuice]

Canada has LOTS of land and not very many people.

I remember hearing a saying that said something like: Tall fences make good neighbors, or something like that.

When you pack a shit load of people in relitively small space (metropolitian), then you will have a lot of angery, violent people.

 

[2Thick]

Canada has LOTS of land and not very many people.

I remember hearing a saying that said something like: Tall fences make good neighbors, or something like that.

When you pack a shit load of people in relitively small space (metropolitian), then you will have a lot of angery, violent people.

>80% Live in urban centers and large cities, so your information is wrong.

 

[Bullit]

you have no idea

Stay clear of grassy knolls, and book depositories and you should be ok.

 

[Kalashnikov]

Most of the murders that take place in the U.S. are caused by gang violence and inner city youth killing eachother off. Guns are not part of the problem. Criminals will always have guns, regardless of any laws or weapon bans that are put into effect.

If we were to severely crack down on gangs and inner city youths, putting them away and throwing away the key, the US's murder rate per capita would be lower than the UK or Germany.

P.S. Michael Moore is a fat, decrepit, cunt.

 

[GinNJuice]

If we were to severely crack down on gangs and inner city youths, putting them away and throwing away the key, the US's murder rate per capita would be lower than the UK or Germany.

The liberals would never let that happen

 

[Kalashnikov]

The liberals would never let that happen

You're right about that. I read somewhere that the parolees in the US commit 10 murders, 15 rapes, and 200 robberies each day. Tell me, why are we freeing these animals to wreck havoc in our cities? A sad state of affairs, indeed.

 

[VballPlayer]

Canada has LOTS of land and not very many people.

I remember hearing a saying that said something like: Tall fences make good neighbors, or something like that.

When you pack a shit load of people in relitively small space (metropolitian), then you will have a lot of angery, violent people.

Japan has 130 million people I think living on that tiny little island. Mostly in Tokeyo, so why are they not murderous retches. In theory you would think that would make sense but it does not when you apply it to the rest of the world. It has to be something in the Ameerican Psycy that makes us a viloent society.

 

[Bullit]

Japan has 130 million people I think living on that tiny little island. Mostly in Tokeyo, so why are they not murderous retches. In theory you would think that would make sense but it does not when you apply it to the rest of the world. It has to be something in the Ameerican Psycy that makes us a viloent society.

Vball 1, Gin 0.

 

[GinNJuice]

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[Warik]

Vball 1, Gin 0.

Japan's lack of murder is attributed to their lack of rights of the accused which usually result in less-than-acceptable judiciary practices. It has nothing to do with the fact that they don't have any guns.

More guns = less crime. Lift gun restrictions throughout the U.S. and you will see a sharp drop in crime, just as has always been the case in any city that passes any kind of law in favor of the 2nd Amendment.

If everyone were allowed to carry a concealed weapon, the newspapers would go out of business from so little crime to report.

-Warik

 

[HappyScrappy]

If everyone were allowed to carry a concealed weapon, the newspapers would go out of business from so little crime to report.

hmm - not sure what crimes you speak of.

if everyone had ready access to a weapon, there would be an increase in crimes that we don't see now, and a decrease in others. more hate and rageful heat of the moment crimes, and probably fewer purse snatchings.

There are many countries that don't allow guns at all in their countries (obvious an exception to the military and police). They have hardly any gun deaths every year. They have stabbings, and they might have more purse snatchings, but you can bet your nuts that they don't have people killed by stray bullets in gang wars and snipers killing people in their capitol.

It is a give and take - but it is increadibly hard to kill someone with your gun if you don't have a gun.

 

[Bullit]

Warik 1, Bullit 0.






heheheh.. just kiddin... WARIK 0!!!!!!

 

[Fonz]

Just was listening to the radio this morning. There was this guy on there named Michael Moore, he is a film maker and he has a documentary film out about the rise of violence in the United States. It was very disturbing to hear how high the murder rate is here in the US compared to other countries. It is not only disturbing it is alarming. The movie is called Bowling for Colombine. What he is attempting to do is get some answers why the US is so violent. Last year there were 11,000 people murdered in the United States, Canada had 100. He thought that there has to be a correlation between guns and murder rate. Well, when he traveled to Canada he found out that more than half of Canadian households have guns in them, but then why such a low murder rates compared to the US. Why are Americans so prone to kill instead of talking out their differences? How come such a similar country as Canada can have such a low murder rates and the US have such a high murder rate? It is even more disturbing to here how low the murder rates are in Europe and Japan compared to ours. Cities like Washington DC had more murders in a year than most countries in the world. Why is that I wonder? Canadians watch the same TV; they play the same violent video games, the listen to the same Marilynn Manson and Ice Tea CDs. Why are they so more civilized when it comes to not picking up a weapon and murdering someone? Before you say well we have so many more people in the United States our murder rate per capita is still something like 20 times that of Canada (cannot remember the exact figure) Anyway, I am going to check out this movie, I heard it is great and I also heard Charlton Heston makes a fool out of himself and the NRA had better get another spokes person.

Canada: 30 million
US: 280 million.

Approximatations.

Murder rates Canada: 100/30 million = 1 person/300,000

Murder rates US: 11,000/280 million = 1 person/25,000

Its 12X as bad, looking at it from a demographic standpoint.

Pretty bad I'll grant you. This is one of the reasons people
like living in Canada more than the US.

Fonz

 

[Fonz]

Re: Re: Re: Why are Americans so violent?????????

that is so dumb on soooooooooooooo many levels. LMAO!!!

Why?

I've lived in both so I'm not talking out of my ass.

Have you lived in both?

I thought so.....

Fonz

 

[Bullit]

canada=very very cold brrrrrrr!

True. God I hate it.

canadian army= LOL[/QUOTE]

This actually impacts you? Unless you are employed by the military who gives a shit? Like a strong military impacts your daily life in any way, shape or form.

 

[Fonz]

True. God I hate it.

canadian army= LOL

This actually impacts you? Unless you are employed by the military who gives a shit? Like a strong military impacts your daily life in any way, shape or form. [/QUOTE]

Whiner.

I went skiing up in Mt. Tremblant for a week, and it was -67C with the wind chill factor.

Ottawa averaged -20/-30C during winter.

Nice summers though.

Fonz

 

[Bullit]

Really?
I'm bettin' that the lives of an average Canadian and and average American are pretty damn similar. (Except, of course, the Canadians I.Q. is significantly higher )

 

[VballPlayer]

it's because...

American life is VERY fast-paced, workaholic, no time to relax...and thus stress becomes a huge problem...horrilbe relationships and dating...people not trusting one naother...every man and business company (enron) for themselves.

Yes, I do have more questions for you. Can you explain what you meant by this statement above? Are all the 11,000 murders that occurred last year from over worked businessmen? Again I have to go back to Japan as an example, if there is any country that is a country of over worked workaholics it is Japan and once again their murder rate is in the low teens. I am not sure being a workaholic has anything to do with the murder rate in this country. If what everyone is saying were true that the majority of the murders are gang related then I would probably being a society of workaholics would have nothing to do with the murder rate, wouldn’t you? I am not trying to start an argument here I am just trying to get a intelligent conversation on why our society is more murderous than others.

 

[Bullit]

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[Tarheel]

P.S. Michael Moore is a fat, decrepit, cunt.

Thats what I've been thinking during the whole thread.

Only 11,000 murders, I would have thought it was a lot higher. I feel a lot safer now, seeing as how there are 280 million people here.

There aren't as many murders in England as there are in the US, but you are much more likely to be involved in a violent robbery there since the latest round of gun control legislation as the people can't really protect themselves, sad state indeed.

Maybe Americans kill each other more often because other countries try to kill us more often?

Japan has 130 million people I think living on that tiny little island. Mostly in Tokeyo, so why are they not murderous retches. In theory you would think that would make sense but it does not when you apply it to the rest of the world. It has to be something in the Ameerican Psycy that makes us a viloent society.

And this little ditty, comparing the psychological state of the Japanese with Americans? Am I the only person who's heard of hari-kiri and kamikaze. They have an entire history of killing themselves off and yet you say that Americans are the violent society?

 

[Bullit]

Intelligence, logic and common sense 143, tarheel 0.

 

[VballPlayer]

Thats what I've been thinking during the whole thread.

Only 11,000 murders, I would have thought it was a lot higher. I feel a lot safer now, seeing as how there are 280 million people here.

There aren't as many murders in England as there are in the US, but you are much more likely to be involved in a violent robbery there since the latest round of gun control legislation as the people can't really protect themselves, sad state indeed.

Maybe Americans kill each other more often because other countries try to kill us more often?



And this little ditty, comparing the psychological state of the Japanese with Americans? Am I the only person who's heard of hari-kiri and kamikaze. They have an entire history of killing themselves off and yet you say that Americans are the violent society? [/QUOT

Okay just a couple comments here:

1. HE might be a fat cunt but that does not still change the fact that we have 11,000 people murdered in one year. He is also not anti guns, nor am I. He is a card carrying member of the NRA.

2. Violent crime has increased 700% since the 1950's in the United States, violent crimes are on the rise faster than murders and this can be attributed to the fact the medical science has come such a long way. People who would have died are not saved thusly becoming a violent crime rather than a murder.

3. Just wondering if you could explain the logic behind this statement: "Maybe Americans kill each other more often because other countries try to kill us more often? " Huh?

4. Again, I admit that other countries have had violent past like Japan, I said that already. But it seems that they have given up on such violent practices, while the US has not. I also do not see how suicide relates to the topic of murder rates. That is an entirely different thread all together. Kamikaze's was also a wartime practice, I am not talking about war killings I am talking about civilians killing civilians.

 

[Tarheel]

3. Americans killing others because we have more terroism was my attempt at an illogical statement, something this entire thread is littered with (typically in reference to Canada).

2. The violent crime statistic was in reference to England. I assume you're aware of the gun control in place in the British Isles. 30% of Austrialians have been victoms of violent crime, 26% of English folks, 25% in Holland and Sweden, and 24% in Canda. The US didn't even make the "Top 10" for violent crime victimization rates. Austrialia and Denmark are the 2 countries with the highest rates of burglary. England, Wales, Austrailia, and France are all ahead of the US in auto thefts, again, we didn't even make the Top 10.

Everyone thinks the US is so prone to crime and violence just because we have the most murders. Violence isn't just murder.

 

[VballPlayer]

3. Americans killing others because we have more terroism was my attempt at an illogical statement, something this entire thread is littered with (typically in reference to Canada).

2. The violent crime statistic was in reference to England. I assume you're aware of the gun control in place in the British Isles. 30% of Austrialians have been victoms of violent crime, 26% of English folks, 25% in Holland and Sweden, and 24% in Canda. The US didn't even make the "Top 10" for violent crime victimization rates. Austrialia and Denmark are the 2 countries with the highest rates of burglary. England, Wales, Austrailia, and France are all ahead of the US in auto thefts, again, we didn't even make the Top 10.

Everyone thinks the US is so prone to crime and violence just because we have the most murders. Violence isn't just murder.

You almost make sense but this thread is about murder rates not violence. It is also not an anti-gun thread, as stated earlier there has been no proven coralation between gun availability and the murder rate. I just started the thread to get a conversation going about why people think the US has such a hi murder rate per capita. I think there have been many logical responses to this and some not so logical.

 

[VballPlayer]

Japanese are not as stressed as you might think. They still have a HUGGGEE export surplus, don't have ghettos, have an average commute time less than us, and they have a lot more of a "closer" culture, whereas we are all distant. Also they don't change jobs as frequently as americans, plus their educational system is 100x better. Oh and they don't have wars and terrorism to deal with, nor biased CNN reporting of every isreali world problem on their doorsteps. Also Japanese don't live paycheck to paycheck, or dependent upon the stock market as much as we do.

The general fast paced, everything for me, lifestyle of the US makes american people more alienated and alone. And it's much worse in teh *big* city than in smaller towns. And in the ghetto, it's more of a "the world is against us and doesn't give a damn, so i'll do whatever i need to do to survive" type personna, which makes it even double worse...when you combine it with a empty future.

so there!

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If this is the case then ,why after World War II did neither the Germans nor the Japanese turn to murdering one another. I mean because the entire world was really against them...for real not just a perceived individualized notion of this. At the point after World War II don’t you think the people in Japan and Germany saw a bleak future, but again they did not resort to killing one another. I am just play devils advocate here. So CNN reporting on the Israelis is to blame, but doesn’t Canada see the same news we do, or is there an Israelis filter that filters out the news from the Middle East. I agree partially with what you say about the ghettos and not seeing a future or a way out. That was a good argument but then when you bring CNN into it, you start to lose a little credibility. So I am going to have to say the score is:

Supernav 0 Vball 3 sorry (kidding, not looking for a score just opinions that’s all)

 

[Wombat]

Re: Re: Why are Americans so violent?????????

american is the land of the "Haves" and the "have nots"----If your part of the "haves" and living in america, you are not thinking of moving anywhere except maybe an island.....
In this country the "have nots" who can live in a shit hole apartment can look out their window and in some cases see 10 million dollar homes sitting on a hill--or turn on the t.v. and see some burnt out rapper showing you his 10 million home and numerous cars---We live in a land of jealously---Like someone stated above, most of the shootings and what not are coming from the "have nots"---"Have nots" can be depressed people by nature(not all of them but) Take the combo of not having shit-being depressed-thinking the world owes you something--and seeing Money everywhere but in your pocket, its obvious why america can be a voilent place.......

 

[Kalashnikov]

Since people keep comparing U.S. to Canada, I have a question.
Does Canada have any slums or ghettoes similar to what Compton, CA was in the late 80's and early 90's? I think the answer is pretty obvious.

If the US was able to eliminate these crime-ridden areas, or at least crack down on them HARD, we would have the same per-capita murders as Canada and possibly less than some places in Europe.

 

[manny78]

we had more than 100 homicides here. 100 is about what Toronto has and Montreal around 80. Also remember this, we're around 30 millions..........thats way less than the US.

 

[SILVURBAQ]

strongest survive!!!!! im soo tierd of the weak <victums>

quality human

not quanity




the death of the weak is good for our rase

 

[Bodhidogma]

it's because...

American life is VERY fast-paced, workaholic, no time to relax...and thus stress becomes a huge problem...horrilbe relationships and dating...people not trusting one naother...every man and business company (enron) for themselves.

in Canada, it's muchn more relaxed. More family values. People do the same jobs, same work, but it's more low key and not as hectic. People actually go home at 5. Leaving more time with familys, friends, going to the cottage, enjoying sports, etc. Stress relievers.

exactly.

Canada is a better place to live.

and Newfies fuckin rule.