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Why is Clomid and/or Nolva always used for PCT? What is different about these than letrozole or arimidex, besides price?
Why always Clomid/Nolva for PCT?
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Destroyer1986
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*The Master* said:Clomid and Nolvadex(Serm's) are CHEAP! They are INFERIOR to Aromatase Inhibitors(Aromasin, Arimidex) in EVERY regard! Hell, Clomid and Nolva do NOTHING to reduce ESTROGEN.
HCG is the MOST effective tool for restoring the HPTA but yet, it is the LEAST frequently used. Why; PRICE!
It's the same reason that people use test as a base. If PRIMOBOLAN were 40$/20ML Vial, I think Primo would be a STAPLE in almost every cycle..
[R]
Are you the same guy from AR who gets banned and banned because you bash the use of testosterone?
Destroyer1986
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*The Master* said:Bro--I love TESTOSTERONE...
TESOSTERONE PROPIONATE..
YES, I am Ross.
However, you should re-read my articles, as it seems you may have missed some INFO.
[R]
Never said I had anything against you, I've read most things you write. Good for someone who wants to put on some quality lean gains but not for someone who wants to pack on pounds and be a massive unit.
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immortalis
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*The Master* said:
yeah thats him. Destroyer has gotten pretty fuckin swole. *golf clap to Des.*
Destroyer1986
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immortalis said:yeah thats him. Destroyer has gotten pretty fuckin swole. *golf clap to Des.*
Thanx mate, but trust me when the swole part does not apply to my damn calves or thighs
.FlexManning
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My understanding is that a lot of guru types are beginning to dismiss clomid in PCT, last I heard an all out PCT plan that is being pushed involves arimidex or femara during a cycle plus hcg, nolva and exemestane (aromasin) PCT. Here's part of what Anthony Roberts says:
"I think at this point most people are sold on the use of Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) instead of Clomid for PCT, since both compete estrogen at the receptor site, both increase serum test levels, and both drugs may also alter blood lipid profiles favorably (6). But since 20mgs of Tamoxifen is equal to 150mgs of clomid for purposes of testosterone elevation, FSH and LH, but Tamoxifen doesn’t decrease the LH response to LHRH (6) I think most people agree to Nolvadex’s superiority for PCT.
I’ve always been in favor of using Nolvadex during PCT, along with an AI, because reducing estrogen levels has been positively correlated with an increase in testosterone (7) so in my mind, it’s be beneficial to increase testosterone by as many mechanisms as possible while trying to recover your endogenous testosterone levels after a cycle. SO which AI do we use? Letro or A-dex? Well, why don’t we just keep using whichever one we used during the cycle, and add in some Nolvadex? Unfortunately, Nolvadex will significantly reduce the blood plasma levels of both Letrozole as well as Arimidex (8). So if we choose to use one of them with our Nolvadex on PCT, we’re throwing away a bit of money as the Nolvadex will be reducing their effectiveness. "
"I think at this point most people are sold on the use of Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) instead of Clomid for PCT, since both compete estrogen at the receptor site, both increase serum test levels, and both drugs may also alter blood lipid profiles favorably (6). But since 20mgs of Tamoxifen is equal to 150mgs of clomid for purposes of testosterone elevation, FSH and LH, but Tamoxifen doesn’t decrease the LH response to LHRH (6) I think most people agree to Nolvadex’s superiority for PCT.
I’ve always been in favor of using Nolvadex during PCT, along with an AI, because reducing estrogen levels has been positively correlated with an increase in testosterone (7) so in my mind, it’s be beneficial to increase testosterone by as many mechanisms as possible while trying to recover your endogenous testosterone levels after a cycle. SO which AI do we use? Letro or A-dex? Well, why don’t we just keep using whichever one we used during the cycle, and add in some Nolvadex? Unfortunately, Nolvadex will significantly reduce the blood plasma levels of both Letrozole as well as Arimidex (8). So if we choose to use one of them with our Nolvadex on PCT, we’re throwing away a bit of money as the Nolvadex will be reducing their effectiveness. "
