Who would be interested in 1 pill does all PCT solution?

[H-isBack]

Im a biophysicist and i work with biologists at the European Molecular Biology Lab and with their help im developing a PCT all in one pill complex that will address most if not all PC problems that emerge after cycling roids such as reducing cortisol, raising and maintaining test levels through precursor, increasing and maintaining brain chemistry especially serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine. This is a real research project funded by the European Union under the guise, "complex, freeform and peptide aminoacids and their function in genetically altered hormone depleted mamals", we have used mice for the most part but i have run human trials with myself and a few other "friends" this could be a real breakthrough in BB biochemistry. This complex can be used for as long as is needed and can even be used during cycle to maintain a healthy balanced mind/body and enabling a smooth transition from cycle to PC. I have used it from its early stages to its current more refined stage, the results are tremendous. as an experiment on myself i completely stopped my roid intake on the 8th week of a ten week cycle whilst taking the complex, normally i would be like death warmed up going cold turkey but the transition was smooth, most of all i noticed there was NO depression, NO anxiety, NO hot/cold flushes, NO jitters, No lethargy, in fact i felt great which is not usual at least for me, also during cycle i had no problems sleeping, this was due to the high levels of dl-phenyalinine and L-Tryptophan, and with enhanced levels of seretonin directly affecting my melatonin production i had wonderful and restfull + REM sleep throughout the whole cycle which of course is critical to test and GH spikes, Now, all i really want is more data. Who would be interested in the final product, ready for human consumption 2nd quarter 2005.

H

 

[biggeek]

I wish i could say I do what you do for a living.. but i'll stick with computer programming.. anyway.. sounds good on paper.. could work.. i would greatly consider using the product after knowing the exact substances and dosages in the product.. but sounds like a pretty solid idea..

 

[swordfish151]

yeah that would be awesome! if one pill could do all...isnt that called a "miracle" pill....but i would be interested in trying it out.

 

[Djicy]

seems like you know what your doing I would be willing to try it.

 

[bw1]

Would be nice

 

[ninja900]

I dunno, it sounds too good to be true.

 

[UA_Iron]

what's the precursor that will boost natural test levels?

The estrogen surge post cycle didnt seem to be addressed - what about controlling that?

So far its sounding like a post cycle coctail one would use in conjunction with standard PCT (nolvadex/HCG).

 

[macrophage69alpha]

not speaking to the formulation or its effectiveness, but there are very stringent conditions and restrictions on the sale of tryptophan in the US for human consumption.

 

[alltraps]

can i be one of your lab rats?

 

[ocisbomb]

Sounds a little too good to be true, but I'd be happy to beta-test.

 

[mikebzt]

sounds too good to be true. Are you calling it snake oil?

 

[wls8687]

Sign me up!

 

[H-isBack]

what's the precursor that will boost natural test levels?

The estrogen surge post cycle didnt seem to be addressed - what about controlling that?

So far its sounding like a post cycle coctail one would use in conjunction with standard PCT (nolvadex/HCG).

I dont want to give too much away at the moment since there are patents pending but one of the active ingredients is

3-Acetly-7-Oxo-Dehydropiandrosterone

- part of a naturally occurring aromatase inhibitor that is devoid of any direct hormonal or prohormonal activity (androgenic or estrogenic). It is what science refers to as a "suicide inhibitor" of aromatase. Specifically this means that it will irreversibly bind to the aromatase enzyme and permanently deactivate it, as it does with cortisol. With prolonged use the result will be a very substantial reduction in the production of estrogen in the body, along with a coinciding up-regulation of natural (testicular) testosterone production.

If anyone is serious about trying this id like to get started in late january/february drop me a line and ill pull some names out of a hat [email protected]

H

 

[SuperDawgy]

What mechanism are you planning on using for bringing the testes back up to size? I haven't seen any oral that will rival HCG's effect. I'm interested, but find this hard to swallow.

 

[biggeek]

I dont want to give too much away at the moment since there are patents pending but one of the active ingredients is

3-Acetly-7-Oxo-Dehydropiandrosterone

- part of a naturally occurring aromatase inhibitor that is devoid of any direct hormonal or prohormonal activity (androgenic or estrogenic). It is what science refers to as a "suicide inhibitor" of aromatase. Specifically this means that it will irreversibly bind to the aromatase enzyme and permanently deactivate it, as it does with cortisol. With prolonged use the result will be a very substantial reduction in the production of estrogen in the body, along with a coinciding up-regulation of natural (testicular) testosterone production.

If anyone is serious about trying this id like to get started in late january/february drop me a line and ill pull some names out of a hat [email protected]

H

Basically 6-OXO.. which isn't a bad product per se.. just expensive as hell.. i can get the real deal for cheaper.. anyway.. i'll drop you a line.. i like being a guinea pig.. ha ha..

 

[NYBodyguard]

if you are going to say its some natrual thing then pretty much this is a robbery in progress if its real then its will be serious not some mix of greenbeans and some herbs

 

[H-isBack]

if you are going to say its some natrual thing then pretty much this is a robbery in progress if its real then its will be serious not some mix of greenbeans and some herbs

Im a scientist and i resent the robbery part, however its fine to be sceptical, no its not based on herbs its real ingredients that work, the final synthesis will be carried out in EMBL, Glasgow University (IBLS), and Cambridge Uni, we are at the moment talking to BerkleyCA, this project is fully funded under european sources and as such any initial trials will be voluntary and free of charge, i cannot how ever at this time disclose further info as there are patents pending, anyone taking part in the trials will be looked after when the product goes to market we are at this point envisaging $100 for 1 month supply but his may come down, one more thing it is not 6-OXO.

H

 

[H-isBack]

Thank you to everyone who has agreed to take part in trials, there are still a few more places, this is completely confidential and will not leave my desk. The trials that i am currently running in the UK will yeild results the first week in January and i will publish the results on EF, after this i will get the product to those of you who are taking part, thanks again, and a merry christmas to all!!

H

[email protected]

[email protected]

 

[COLD238]

make me a lab rat as well.ill take anything as long as it helps with the human body

 

[Mavy]

What mechanism are you planning on using for bringing the testes back up to size? I haven't seen any oral that will rival HCG's effect. I'm interested, but find this hard to swallow.

I agree with the SuperDawg here? Whats important post cycle is restoring your HPTA and LH levels.

You are making it sound like you have something to replace the use of SERMS, or HCG? Does your product work at the pituitary or testes? I think that it would be pretty hard to replace SERMS or HCG all in one pill.

Sounds more to me like a nootropic pill or something to deal with postcycle depression. I never feel depressed or anything like that postcycle. Well .. I get a little deppressed at the THOUGHT that I may be pumping out more natural test that an 8 year old school girl.

Like I say ,.. this seems a little more like Nelson's Postcycle formula, or something like that. I would not substitute drugs like HCG or Nolvadex for example for this magic "pill" of yours. Especially until you tell us exactly what it does.

Also, how are you going to do blood tests on all of these subjects volunteering to see if your product is actually doing what it is supposed to do?

Mavy

 

[KA-BAR]

This guy reminds me of Fonz.

 

[INNOCENT]

interesting...that would be nice to have just one pill.

 

[NYBodyguard]

why not create a pill or injectable that does what test does etc but without the sides lol

 

[manny78]

One pill for PCT ? It already exists. It's called either clomid or Novaldex (depending on your tastes). Been using them for years and so far so good. So thanks. No need for some exotic and expensive stuff for me.

 

[DIVISION]

Im a biophysicist and i work with biologists at the European Molecular Biology Lab and with their help im developing a PCT all in one pill complex that will address most if not all PC problems that emerge after cycling roids such as reducing cortisol, raising and maintaining test levels through precursor, increasing and maintaining brain chemistry especially serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine. This is a real research project funded by the European Union under the guise, "complex, freeform and peptide aminoacids and their function in genetically altered hormone depleted mamals", we have used mice for the most part but i have run human trials with myself and a few other "friends" this could be a real breakthrough in BB biochemistry. This complex can be used for as long as is needed and can even be used during cycle to maintain a healthy balanced mind/body and enabling a smooth transition from cycle to PC. I have used it from its early stages to its current more refined stage, the results are tremendous. as an experiment on myself i completely stopped my roid intake on the 8th week of a ten week cycle whilst taking the complex, normally i would be like death warmed up going cold turkey but the transition was smooth, most of all i noticed there was NO depression, NO anxiety, NO hot/cold flushes, NO jitters, No lethargy, in fact i felt great which is not usual at least for me, also during cycle i had no problems sleeping, this was due to the high levels of dl-phenyalinine and L-Tryptophan, and with enhanced levels of seretonin directly affecting my melatonin production i had wonderful and restfull + REM sleep throughout the whole cycle which of course is critical to test and GH spikes, Now, all i really want is more data. Who would be interested in the final product, ready for human consumption 2nd quarter 2005.

I understand the reasoning behind what you are trying to do with this product, but I doubt there will ever be a cure-all PCT solution. Not in one pill anyway. Good luck with it regardless, nugga.



DIV

 

[H-isBack]

One pill for PCT ? It already exists. It's called either clomid or Novaldex (depending on your tastes). Been using them for years and so far so good. So thanks. No need for some exotic and expensive stuff for me.

thats 2 pills, not exotic and not expensive

 

[LVTitan]

not speaking to the formulation or its effectiveness, but there are very stringent conditions and restrictions on the sale of tryptophan in the US for human consumption.

it comes in every turkey you eat and every glass of milk you drink..

 

[H-isBack]

for peolple who are skeptical thats fine, i just want you to know that this isnt some flyby night project, there are 3 biologists, 2 biochemists. a physiologist, a med DR, and 12 tech involved in the front line of this, im managing the project and have a financial interest in its success, the one single problem we have is introducing hcg, but thats not a pill anyway, so it doesnt tarnish the one pill name. Anyway these guys are f****** supersmart!!

H

 

[Mavy]

I agree with the SuperDawg here? Whats important post cycle is restoring your HPTA and LH levels.

You are making it sound like you have something to replace the use of SERMS, or HCG? Does your product work at the pituitary or testes? I think that it would be pretty hard to replace SERMS or HCG all in one pill.

Sounds more to me like a nootropic pill or something to deal with postcycle depression. I never feel depressed or anything like that postcycle. Well .. I get a little deppressed at the THOUGHT that I may be pumping out more natural test that an 8 year old school girl.

Like I say ,.. this seems a little more like Nelson's Postcycle formula, or something like that. I would not substitute drugs like HCG or Nolvadex for example for this magic "pill" of yours. Especially until you tell us exactly what it does.

Also, how are you going to do blood tests on all of these subjects volunteering to see if your product is actually doing what it is supposed to do?

Mavy

BUMP .. lets here some answers to this.

 

[Zyglamail]

What mechanism are you planning on using for bringing the testes back up to size? I haven't seen any oral that will rival HCG's effect. I'm interested, but find this hard to swallow.

HCG is a hormone that directly stimulates the testes, I am assuming from his post the mechanism his product uses is not quite as direct but rather an indirect one. Since it binds to and prevents aromatase from creating estogen. Since estrogen levels are the primary feedback loop it will trigger an increase in natural test production.

 

[H-isBack]

BUMP .. lets here some answers to this.

okay guys, i just said in a last post that the hcg issue was being addressed if we cant find a way to incorporate it orally then we will leave it out, its best inj anyway i feel, we are working on a complex which will not only compliment clomid and nolv but will work in synergy with the other components, i CANNOT tell you anymore the people who have signed up for trial will know exactly what they are taking, i aint gonna flush 18months of work down the drain by disclosing the main ingredients just to please some.

H

 

[Mavy]

So then basically when you say this Compliments clomid or nolva, and wont replace HCG, then this does not replace ANYTHING for a standard PCT protocol, such as SERMS or HCG?

THis is a product that will not work better than the above mentioned to stimulate the pituitary and testes, which are the pivitol focus of a proper PCT. This is merely going to be something to run along side it to "compliment" it as you mentioned. More or less a novelty product.

I remember when Nelson's "postcycle" formula came out. He actually told people to use this instead of the real proven drugs like Nolva or HCG, when in reality, they do not compare at all. And him telling people to ditch the real drugs for his formula is irresponsible, and could possibly be dangerous. His product is more or less an enhancement to the drugs already proven to work.

Is this what your product is desinged to do? Enhance or "compliment" the regular PCT drugs? Meaning that it will not be as effective as the drugs already being used for PCT, nor should it be replaced for them, but its more or less something to add to the list that can work in Synergy with these drugs?

Mavy

 

[Mavy]

I guess what I am getting at is that your thread topic is misleading. You state a PCT pill all in one. When really it should be something ran along the traditional PCT drugs. More like a "PCT Helper".

 

[NYBodyguard]

for peolple who are skeptical thats fine, i just want you to know that this isnt some flyby night project, there are 3 biologists, 2 biochemists. a physiologist, a med DR, and 12 tech involved in the front line of this

H

Dont forget

1 Janitor (to clean the place up at night)
1 Secretary to answer the calls
1 Network Admin
2 fulltime armed security guards making sure noone steals your secrects




















1 Big juicehead with a hammer to knock you in the head right about now so you can wake up from this stupid dream so you can get back to work at McDonalds drive-thru

 

[H-isBack]

So then basically when you say this Compliments clomid or nolva, and wont replace HCG, then this does not replace ANYTHING for a standard PCT protocol, such as SERMS or HCG?

THis is a product that will not work better than the above mentioned to stimulate the pituitary and testes, which are the pivitol focus of a proper PCT. This is merely going to be something to run along side it to "compliment" it as you mentioned. More or less a novelty product.

I remember when Nelson's "postcycle" formula came out. He actually told people to use this instead of the real proven drugs like Nolva or HCG, when in reality, they do not compare at all. And him telling people to ditch the real drugs for his formula is irresponsible, and could possibly be dangerous. His product is more or less an enhancement to the drugs already proven to work.

Is this what your product is desinged to do? Enhance or "compliment" the regular PCT drugs? Meaning that it will not be as effective as the drugs already being used for PCT, nor should it be replaced for them, but its more or less something to add to the list that can work in Synergy with these drugs?

Mavy

please explain to me why a drug working in synergy with another is a bad thing, i have never exclaimed the disuse of nolv or any other PCT you dont know what im proposing because i have not told you! For good reason, this complex is under trial, i will publish results shortly, and those who have signed up will receive all relevant info.

H

 

[manny78]

thats 2 pills, not exotic and not expensive

One pill if you take clomid alone for example. And clomids these days are dirt cheap.

 

[H-isBack]

1 Janitor (to clean the place up at night)
1 Secretary to answer the calls
1 Network Admin
2 fulltime armed security guards making sure noone steals your secrects


Actualy there is a janitors job going, but im not sure you would fit in, we dont allow clubs and flint in the university - sorry (you might consider a day job at the zoo)

 

[Mavy]

Dont forget

1 Janitor (to clean the place up at night)
1 Secretary to answer the calls
1 Network Admin
2 fulltime armed security guards making sure noone steals your secrects




















1 Big juicehead with a hammer to knock you in the head right about now so you can wake up from this stupid dream so you can get back to work at McDonalds drive-thru

lmfoa!

Anywhoo bro. no one says that a drug working in synergy is a bad thing. Like I said, your post is just a little misleading thats all. Like I said, its more of a PCT helper in 1 pill. Carry on.

 

[SpiritCrusher]

Gimme gimme gimme

 

[H-isBack]

I dont know where ive mislead anyone since the complex WILL include either clomid or Nolv or both, the only problem we have at the moment is incorporating hcg, if we cant overcome this then we will leave it out. I will have some results of current trials mid to late january which i will post, at that stage it will then be appropriate to start further trials, i will be testing it myself along with 5 other BBs here in the UK and a LOTof guys from this board, so why dont the skeptics wait and hear instead of dissing every word i write, nobody is asking for irrelevant opinions, so lets all try and be mature, you know grown up or is it too much pressure on the brain to say something coherent and sensible, thank you.

H

 

[Mavy]

Woah .. .calm down bro. Of course people are going to be sceptical. You come here saying you are going to make an all in one PCT pill, but you can tell anyone anything about it. Think from out point of view. Of course we are not going to buy into this until we know more. Why dont you just keep up posted when you can tell us more. Im sure most of us will be glad to listen and give you some feedback when there is something to listen too, or give you feedback on.

 

[H-isBack]

Woah .. .calm down bro. Of course people are going to be sceptical. You come here saying you are going to make an all in one PCT pill, but you can tell anyone anything about it. Think from out point of view. Of course we are not going to buy into this until we know more. Why dont you just keep up posted when you can tell us more. Im sure most of us will be glad to listen and give you some feedback when there is something to listen too, or give you feedback on.

LOL I always seem to come across more angry than i really am, must be the clomid!? Sure ill keep you posted bro,,,

H

 

[Mavy]

LOL I always seem to come across more angry than i really am, must be the clomid!? Sure ill keep you posted bro,,,

H

lol .. I will admitt you have sparked my curiousity though.