Who thinks the US Constitution is garbage?

[plifter]

Have you ever read some of it?

Can anyone explain what my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness really means? In the early 70's my uncle really didn't give a damn about the civil war in Vietnam. However, our government decided he should give a damn about it and forced him to go to some jungle where he was killed. It seems to me that the government violated his rights to life and liberty (you can also argue pursuit of happiness since it's fairly obvious that you can't be happy while people are trying to shoot you).

We are supposedly protected against "cruel and unusual" punishment. What the fuck does that mean? Isn't punishment cruel by nature? What in the hell is unusual punishment? The damn constitution is written so vaguely that it's meaningless.

Free speech is supposed to be protected. However in 1990 Luther Campbell was arrested and spent a night in jail for performing a rap concert. (He was acquitted at trial, however, if 12 dumbasses on the jury decided differently he could have been sentenced to a year in prison for violating a vaguely written obscenity law. I guess free speech only applies to things that no one finds offensive. (hmmm.. where do we find speech that doesn't offend someone)

 

[Dogballs]

my cats breath smells like cat food

 

[RyanH]

many people on this board such as MP5 and WeaponX tend to apparently think the Constitution is garbage since they misinterpret it on a regular basis.

 

[minion]

It allows you the right to voice your right to disagree. You don't like it change it. (Or leave why do these two options seem so impractical?)

"where have all the visionarys gone?"

 

[Balls of Steel]

It is garbage. Because of it we cant imprision arabs, thus ending all these cases of anthrax.

Why dont you guys (those who support it) go ask the familes of the anthrax victoms about our great constitution.

 

[plifter]

Ryan, it's garbage because it needs to be interpreted. Our rights depend on how the supreme court feels plus it was written by slave owners that talked about guaranteeing freedom.

Since you're in law school can you explain to me specifically what my right to life, libert, and the pursuit of happiness means?

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

plifter, that is an interesting post.

It's not garbage, but it needs to be interpreted in accordance with modern times as well. The social situation prevailing when it was written does not necessarily apply today.

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

Have you ever read some of it?

Can anyone explain what my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness really means? In the early 70's my uncle really didn't give a damn about the civil war in Vietnam. However, our government decided he should give a damn about it and forced him to go to some jungle where he was killed. It seems to me that the government violated his rights to life and liberty (you can also argue pursuit of happiness since it's fairly obvious that you can't be happy while people are trying to shoot you).

We are supposedly protected against "cruel and unusual" punishment. What the fuck does that mean? Isn't punishment cruel by nature? What in the hell is unusual punishment? The damn constitution is written so vaguely that it's meaningless.

Free speech is supposed to be protected. However in 1990 Luther Campbell was arrested and spent a night in jail for performing a rap concert. (He was acquitted at trial, however, if 12 dumbasses on the jury decided differently he could have been sentenced to a year in prison for violating a vaguely written obscenity law. I guess free speech only applies to things that no one finds offensive. (hmmm.. where do we find speech that doesn't offend someone)

All of the statements above do not have anything to do with the constitution. Those actions were by a unconstitutional government. You want to constitution to be interpreted, well the above is what you get.

The constitution are literal words that only need to be read not interpreted by some idiot on the supreme court.
Plifter, you claim to be a libertarian, but I seriously doubt it.

 

[RyanH]

Nikolai is right.

You cannot expect a constitution to remain rigid for 200 years. The constitution is fluid and is interpreted by the Supreme Court regularly.

The Supreme Court has protected us more than any other branch of government. If we left all matters to the legislature we would be a dated society, at best.

 

[smallmovesal]

wasn't that "70s" cartoon on the simpsons about the constitution... the one that talks about ted kennedy and stuff.. lol

the song

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

Nikolai is right.

You cannot expect a constitution to remain rigid for 200 years. The constitution is fluid and is interpreted by the Supreme Court regularly.

The Supreme Court has protected us more than any other branch of government. If we left all matters to the legislature we would be a dated society, at best.

We're the government and are here to help. bwahhahahahha

Fuck them!

 

[MP5]

I think the dems are the ones that hate the constitution, they are the ones trying to eliminate it.

 

[Laserdude]

RyanH's law degree is going to printed on toilet paper.

 

[Lao Tzu]

the problem with the constitution is it was written 230 years ago & it is vague as hell.

right now putting a prisoner in solitary until he loses his mind isn't consdiered cruel or unusual. it may be 40 years from now. 80 years ago electric chairs weren't considered cruel or unusual, now they are in most states.

as far as free speech, it exists here, just no more than any other 1st world country. if america is in a crisis we will halt free speech. WWI, WWII, vietnam, the drug war, pc standards, today with the bin ladin thing.

become a libertarian. you might like that.

 

[plifter]

Uhh.. guys I am a Libertarian. How does anything I've written go against the Libertarian viewpoint?I'm only pointing out the hipocrisy involved with having a constitution that is interpreted.

 

[Lao Tzu]

it doesnt. that is why i recommended you become one because you have libertarian views. but it appears you already are one.

 

[Lao Tzu]

wasn't that "70s" cartoon on the simpsons about the constitution... the one that talks about ted kennedy and stuff.. lol

the song

that was about amendments & bills.



what if the government rejects this bill

'then i'll make ted kennedy pay
if he fight back. i'll say that he's gay'

 

[Warik]

Am I the only one who realizes that "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is not written ANYWHERE in the Constitution?

The Constitution does not need to be interpretted to the extremes that you are complaining about. It is one of the best, if not THE best, written documents in history. It usually takes someone with no more than a 10th grade reading level to understand a given part of the Constitution. Amazing how a group of illiterate Supreme Court justices guaranteed women the right to kill their children even though the 10th Amendment explicity states:

Amendment X - States' Rights. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

It doesn't get much simpler than that. The Constitution becomes garbage when we have garbage on the bench to "interpret" it.

Find me someone who knows how to read, and the Constitution is a masterpiece.

-Warik