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Which is more important...Strength or Density?

hammertime30

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After looking over these posts and observing the guys in the gym, it seems that men favor strength over a great physique. So I'm just curious about how some of you feel about it. I personally like strength to a certain degree, but I choose a great physique over strength any day.

Arnold, though very strong, didn't always bench 400lbs nor did he car about it. He would often go much lighter so that he could go deeper with his movements so to increase muscle density and overall development. Just lifting heavy weight doesn't provide you with a nice symmetrical build for when sculpting the body; medium weights allow for better form and greater extension of the muscle thus improved muscle density development. All too many times I would see guys doing partial reps and using bad form just to say that they got up 350lbs, but after 5 months of it, never see any improvement in chest development! Why?

Also when cycling, heavy weight doesn't necessarily mean maximum muscle growth for the body doesn’t know the difference between 200lbs vs 170lbs. But if somehow you can make 170lbs feel just as heavy as 200lbs, then you can reap the benefits to a much greater degree. Slowing down the reps, squeezing at the top, holding on the negative, going deeper thus extending the muscle more before contracting, are good ways to improve muscle density and stimulate maximum muscle growth. However this can only be done when using lighter weights that allow you greater control. Not saying that lifting heavy doesn't have its place, but if my cycle ends and my bench drop 30lbs, I don't feel as if I need to cry about it being that losing strength doesn't mean that I lose muscle size because muscle size is not directly related to strength and vs versa. There are many guys twice my size who I can out bench, curl and squat. And there are good sized guys who are much stronger than I am but don’t have the muscle density. Why?
 
I choose strength over asthetics. Strength is functional and as a general rule, a bigger muscle is a stronger muscle...so with strength, you get size.

I don't care about benching more than the next guy, but if i'm not getting stronger from lifting i see it as a waste of time. The "Look" is a fringe benefit of the labor you put into it.
 
SuperDawgy said:
I choose strength over asthetics. Strength is functional and as a general rule, a bigger muscle is a stronger muscle...so with strength, you get size.

I don't care about benching more than the next guy, but if i'm not getting stronger from lifting i see it as a waste of time. The "Look" is a fringe benefit of the labor you put into it.

A bigger muscle is a stronger muscle is true to an extent. Again I know guys who only weight in at 175lbs and can get up 315lbs. Then there are guys who a quite large in there on right, that can barely move 225lbs. So there is more mechanics involved when speaking on strength such as the amount of fast twitch muscles vs slow twitch muscles which does vary with individuals.
 
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I would rather have a phys, over strength. We live in a world of silicone now, not pyramids slash slave labour.
 
a bigger muscle is not a stronger muscle!!!! most of th top ifbb BB'ers all have 20+ inch arms powerlifters have big arms but not quite that big yet they can curl a shitload compared to a BB..has to do i think with the rep range..most bb stay 8-15 for arms you really dont see many going low reps on arms..but a pl'er most oif the time trains in the low rep range
 
wnt2bBeast said:
a bigger muscle is not a stronger muscle!!!! most of th top ifbb BB'ers all have 20+ inch arms powerlifters have big arms but not quite that big yet they can curl a shitload compared to a BB..has to do i think with the rep range..most bb stay 8-15 for arms you really dont see many going low reps on arms..but a pl'er most oif the time trains in the low rep range

Ok, bear with me on this. You take an unconditioned male, 20 years old. He has 15" biceps. He curls 75pounds max on an EZ-curl bar. That same individual starts lifting and one year later has put 2" on his arms. Now he can curl 95lbs max. Why did his max go up? Because through training his arms got stronger to deal with the overload that he put on them. The increase in bicep size is a direct result of the hypertrophy mechanism that skeletal muscle uses to be able to handle the extra work. This principle holds true for the vast majority of people.

So, as i said before, IN GENERAL, a larger muscle is a stronger muscle. When you start factoring in different groups of individuals (ie: BB's, Powerlifters), sure there will be exceptions. But take into consideration the amount of work that an IFBB pro puts into a workout VS the average powerlifters routine. Who moves more weight during a workout? Odds are that the BB will.
 
did he get stronger because the muscle grew or did the muscle grow because he got stronger?

who came before, the egg or the chicken? :)

i don't give a damn for how much i can lift compared to others as long as i'm always pushing my limits. that will make me grow and get closer to the ideal body i have in mind.

density over strengh anytime!
 
SuperDawgy said:
Ok, bear with me on this. You take an unconditioned male, 20 years old. He has 15" biceps. He curls 75pounds max on an EZ-curl bar. That same individual starts lifting and one year later has put 2" on his arms. Now he can curl 95lbs max. Why did his max go up? Because through training his arms got stronger to deal with the overload that he put on them. The increase in bicep size is a direct result of the hypertrophy mechanism that skeletal muscle uses to be able to handle the extra work. This principle holds true for the vast majority of people.

So, as i said before, IN GENERAL, a larger muscle is a stronger muscle. When you start factoring in different groups of individuals (ie: BB's, Powerlifters), sure there will be exceptions. But take into consideration the amount of work that an IFBB pro puts into a workout VS the average powerlifters routine. Who moves more weight during a workout? Odds are that the BB will.
that is completely different..we're not talking about an untrained male..and if you think a BB;er moves more weight your are sadly mistaken!!! nothing aginst BB'er yes some of them are very strong but they dont not train in the low rep range with near max weights instead they work with lighter weights and more volume..most not all dont even squat anymore pl'ers are always squatting or box squatting with heavy weights
 
ManOfArms said:
I strive for both :)

They go hand in hand! But IMO i would rather be able to bench 500lbs instead of looking like i could, but only be able to put up 300. But...to each his own. I enjoy functional strength, but i can't say that i hate the look that comes with it! :evil:
 
I train extremely heavy because I enjoy that style of training, not because functional strenght matters to me a great deal. I'm a bodybuilder first and formost, and my appearance is more important to me than strength. While I can't hang with top powerlifters, I can more than hold my own against the average one in my own weight range. Yes I do higher reps with lighter weights almost every workout, but the foundation of my workout is using heavy weight for lower reps.
 
SuperDawgy said:
They go hand in hand! But IMO i would rather be able to bench 500lbs instead of looking like i could, but only be able to put up 300. But...to each his own. I enjoy functional strength, but i can't say that i hate the look that comes with it! :evil:

Nothing wrong with that bro! :supercool
 
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