where to start research on steroids before using??

[110%]

i am interested in using steroids in maybe a year or a few years and woudl like to have a good amount of knowledge on them before i start, so i was wondering where i could start in order to learn all basic concepts including the kinds of steorids that exist, purpose of each, side effects of each, normal doses to use for each, etc.......

i was thinking there is probably a book to buy, what is recomended for someone with no current knowledge on the subject to start for learning? also are there any free internet sites around to do some research?

so far books i have heard of are the laymans guide to steroid use as well as the underground steroid bible i think it was called??

i was gonna use the serach button for this but it looks like it is now only for platinum members

all help will be much appreciated

 

[General Maximus]

www.anabolicreview.com

 

[powerforward]

well this website is gonna have some great info,and if you were going to buy a book why not just go plat? use the search feature, look up newbie cycle that vets could learn from by realgains for starters. just take your time, read everything you can, and don't be in a hurry.
here is the realgains post
Newbie cycles that vets could learn from. (post #1)

NEWBIES..... you would do very well following this advice.
Vets.......... maybe we have something to learn still.

After doing much digging in regard to the way men used to cycle years ago I have come to the conclusion that 98% of us use too much gear....please read on.

I have always been a believer in using as little gear as possible but even I have used way too much in the past and this has resulted in big sides.

Here are examples of cycles used by the pro's of the late 60's and 70's. They were certainly well developed men actually looked better then most of the pro's today IMHO.

My Hero The late great Mike Mentzer was considered a man living on the edge in the late 70's and up until he retired after the 80 Olympia.

MIKE MENTZER
In prep for the 80 Olympia Mike used 400 of deca and 20 or 30 of d-bol per day. I think it was actually 20 of d-bol . I believe he took the d-bol for 4-6 weeks only.This was considered a BIG dose of juice. This was published in his "Heavy Duty Journal" and was well know . Mike was one of the only Bodybuilders that made "no bones" about his roid use.
Now Mike was a big guy and very strong and walked around in the off season at about 250 fairly lean pounds at 5'-9"

The following I got from Nelson Montana.

ARNOLD
He reported liked 600 of primo and 50 of d-bol per day.

SERGIO
This huge bro used 200 of deca/week and 20 of winny per day.

FRANK ZANE
Frank likeed 100 of deca and 100 of primo and was know to use a little thyroid as well.

DAVE DRAPER
Dave used 25 of winny per day way back in the late 60's

LARRY SCOTT
Larry used 10 of d-bol in divided doses per day. This was considered a large dose back in the mid 60's

Now all these guys are bigger than 95% of the members of this board I am sure and if they didn't need large doses then why do you?
Do what they did......be a lifter first and then use a little roid as a SUPPLEMENT.

Unless you are 40 or more pounds above your natural maximum weight AND are a top competitor I see no reason to use high doses of gear. Even Quadsweep "The Voice of Reason" who is a top national level competitor doesn't use half the juice that many of you use.

It has been said by many that gains made slowly and in smaller jumps are kept better. I for one strongly believe this. The human body is not meant to gain 30 pounds of bulk in 8 weeks..much of that will be lost post cycle as the body just can't hold it all at once. It makes much better sence to gain slowly but surely. It is better for your health and the low doses avoid the puffy watery look that was not even acceaptable in the off season in 1975.


Perhaps we all need to re-think how we use steroids.

Realgains suggestions for the newbies.

200 of deca/week for 10 weeks and 10- 20 of d-bol per day for 4-6 weeks in divided doses.

200 of deca/week for 10 weeks and 25 of winstrol per day for 4-6 weeks

250 of test alone for 8-10 weeks

250-400 of primo alone

250-300 of EQ alone

10-20 of d-bol alone in four divided doses per day for 6 weeks

Good luck!





RG






Last edited by Realgains on 07-Nov-2002 at 09:30 PM

 

[zen42]

Visit as many boards as possible and hang around the more sane ones. Read, read, read. There's a lot of bad information out there, it'll take time for you to sort it out for yourself.

If you do buy a book, buy a recently updated one. I don't know of a single one published in the 90's that doesn't have major errors on mainstream gear.

Don't trust any one source (book, internet, bro in gym) to be 100% accurate.

Conflicting information is sometimes due to differing situations and goals. Powerlifters, athletes, fighters, body builders and recreational lifters all have different goals when using gear. An experienced 240 pounder is going to have a different experience than a 170 pound newbie with a similar cycle. A 45 year old may be more interested in lipid profiles and an 18 year old may be more interested in getting hyoooggee as quick as possible.

 

[Mavy]

Are you kidding me? You have 1086 posts? WHat the hell were you doing posting all of those on the Chat board. With that many posts you must know a thing or 2 about anabolics.

If not ... then you get my vote for the best (educated, patient and responsible) newbie of the year reward. Its nice to here this instead of ...

"I have been been working out solid for the psat 3 months and want to get huge ... what should I take"

This board is a great source.

Cheers.
Mavy

 

[TECH ONE]

Are you kidding me? You have 1086 posts? WHat the hell were you doing posting all of those on the Chat board. With that many posts you must know a thing or 2 about anabolics.

If not ... then you get my vote for the best (educated, patient and responsible) newbie of the year reward. Its nice to here this instead of ...

"I have been been working out solid for the psat 3 months and want to get huge ... what should I take"

This board is a great source.

Cheers.
Mavy

You beat me too it, i also nominate him too!!!

 

[AustinTX]

Are you kidding me? You have 1086 posts? WHat the hell were you doing posting all of those on the Chat board. With that many posts you must know a thing or 2 about anabolics.

Ever hear of the Training or Diet Boards??? That's where most of his posts have been.


110%; I'd just start hanging out on the anabolic board here for a while, and pick a couple of other sites you like and hit the anabolic boards there too. IMO that's how you can pick up the most information.

There are some sites that are much more "research oriented" and have a lot of good info too. (no, that's not a cut of EF in any way; each site has its own personality...)

 

[Bulldog_10]

Ever hear of the Training or Diet Boards??? That's where most of his posts have been.


110%; I'd just start hanging out on the anabolic board here for a while, and pick a couple of other sites you like and hit the anabolic boards there too. IMO that's how you can pick up the most information.

There are some sites that are much more "research oriented" and have a lot of good info too. (no, that's not a cut of EF in any way; each site has its own personality...)

Yeah...just stick around here for a while...and just as a heads up. The search button says "platinum search" but it lets me use it...so maybe it will let you too. They can't make the search button platinum for fucks sake...that would suck!

 

[110%]

Are you kidding me? You have 1086 posts? WHat the hell were you doing posting all of those on the Chat board. With that many posts you must know a thing or 2 about anabolics.

If not ... then you get my vote for the best (educated, patient and responsible) newbie of the year reward. Its nice to here this instead of ...

"I have been been working out solid for the psat 3 months and want to get huge ... what should I take"

This board is a great source.

Cheers.
Mavy

ilke someone already said have you ever heard of the training and diet board, before i decided to use steroids i did want to make as much gains as possible you know so i researched and helped people out with diet and training questions, my knowledge in this area is good that is where all my posts have came from so no i am not the individual described in the last part of your post

also, alot of responses were to read around here and so, i try that but it is hard to compare the posts here as i have no knowledge now, so when someone says what they are taking and in what doses i do not know what is common to compare them to and what that steroid's purpose is, how did u guys come to learn of how to incorporate different steroids into one cycle

i registered over at www.steroids.com and that seems to have alot of info on the different kinds of steroids and the purpose of each so i figure i can learn about the different ones that exist over there, but doses to start at and how to make a cycle and the difference between like the different brands of dbol or little factors such as that i do not kwno where to start haha

 

[Bulldog_10]

how did u guys come to learn of how to incorporate different steroids into one cycle

honestly...just from hanging around the boards...you'll start to get a sense of who knows what they're talking about soon..then hit them with emails and you'll get all the advice you'll need to get started. then come back on the boards and you'll start to figure shit out. You seem like an intelligent guy...you'll pick it up in no time.

 

[AustinTX]

honestly...just from hanging around the boards...you'll start to get a sense of who knows what they're talking about soon..then hit them with emails and you'll get all the advice you'll need to get started. then come back on the boards and you'll start to figure shit out. You seem like an intelligent guy...you'll pick it up in no time.

what he said

seriously, you'll see tons of first cycle, second cycle, ... threads and get an idea for what people like and the advice they get.

I also hang out at steriodology, fitnessgeared, cuttingedgemuscle, and others... You get a variety of opinions that way and can make up your mind...

 

[Dante666]

A good website that I thought was pretty informative when I was starting my research was mesomorphosis.com. They have a good profiles list and a lot of articles, including one for steroid planning for beginners. Anabolic review was pretty good too. Generally when your searching different websites you'll find two types of opinions, pro-steroid and anti-steroid, with a few actual objective information. The discussion boards will help you sift through the propaganda and the blatand bull shit. Good luck man.

 

[Mavy]

110% and Austin, dont get me wrong, I am glad that he/you started out on the training boards, I am not trying to dirt you 110%, I am just really amazed that out of all those posts you never happen to stumble by this board. Thats all.

110%, I am proud of the way you are going about planning a cycle, not jumping in until you know what you are getting into. Its amazing how many people will shoot things into their body without knowing every little detail they should be knowing.

Now, this board is great. I have learned a TUN of info from the bros on this board. Hang around for a bit and you will see how much information is readily available. The rest of what I have learned came from close friends who also cycle. The internet can provide a TUN of knowledge for things such as steroid profiles etc., by doing simple searches. I have been reading some of the posts on fitnessgeared.com and it seems like a very friendly board as well with a lot of educated dudes/dudettes there as well. These sites should get you up to swing.

A few things to watch for ...
Yes like Dante666 states there are pro-steroid and anti-steroid people on the boards, but there are also people who will regurjetate and sometimes post advice for newbies that may not be the best advice for someone just starting out.

The point is, that you are going to have to do all of your research, listen to as many educated bros you can, learn as much as possible (while taking everything with a grain of salt), and make YOUR OWN DECISIONS, based on all the info that you have learned.

Good luck, and welcome to the Anabolic portion of Elite.

Cheers,
Mavy

 

[powerforward]

also check out anabolic fitness

 

[Lift Chief]

I would go onto a website like A/R that lists all the different types of steroids... then, besides hanging out here and wherever else and reading all you can, you can use those lists as a base to run a search off of- you won't believe how much good information you'll be able to find with a simple search. Actually i'm sure you've used searches already- that's definitely the best way to learn IMO.