When to 1st Juice?

[NY1Muscle]

I have been working out for 1 .5 years now....getting impatient. Here's what I decided, tell me what you guys think.

I am going to wait until I hit plateaus on my deadlift, squat, and bench.....That way I figure I'll be pretty close to my genetic potential and have a god amount of strength to kick it up with.

Now I am pretty much maxed on my squat and bench is slowing down. I have been a lazy deadlifter...so I'm concentrating on that now. Once all three are "stuck" I will start with the cleanest most perfect diet possible + 8 hours of sleep a night.....once I can do that for two weeks - then I start the juice.

I figure it's a big impatient waste of money to juice if I'm still getting stronger naturally and can't get my act together enough to eat and sleep right. If I can't do it for 2 weeks, why waste the money for 8?

I am planning a Solo sust cycle (with a small amount of deca that i have) followed by clen/clomid. Cycle 2 will be d-bol/eq/sust.

Opinions?

 

[lemur]

got news for you.. 1.5 years is NOT EVEN CLOSE to your genetic potential. After 5-10 years of training with INCREDIBLE diet, training, supplementation, etc you can think about STARTING to reach genetic potential.

Steroids won't get you big, they'll give you the ability to work harder than you already are assuming all other variables are under control (diet, training, etc).

A sticking point is not genetic potential, it's just a sticking point.

 

[NY1Muscle]

excellent point....i agree...of course that's not true genetic potential....

does everyone else think it's worth waiting for a sticking point? or just go ahead when you're in the mood?

 

[Golfer18--old]

Well,

I started juicing at 18. I have a vey good natural base and have kept every pound I gained. There is no reason to juice if you are still making gains month after month. You will know when to start when you can't get any bigger no matter how you adjust your diet.



Hmmm, guess what though? I don't practibe what i preach


No regrets here, safety wise, health always comes first.

 

[thx9000]

Wow, 1.5 years and getting impatient...

You must be younger than me. I used to get impatient that quickly. How old are you? What are your stats? God I hit plateaus in strenght that lasted MONTHS, not just two weeks. Some months I would be glad that "at least my calves got a little stronger." Shit, some months I'd LOOSE strength b/c of poor diet...

Anyhow...

I am in the same boat, TRYING to decide to make the jump. I am 32y/o and just shy of 5' 11". I had been lifting on/off 12 years and really consistently for the past 5. Got to 184# last summer at about 7% bf and only gained about 3lbs all last year while staying at about 8% until May this year. Figured that was a good sign I had gotten close to my limit...

So...

I decided to give "1-test" a shot to see what a weak steroid/strong PH was like. I am at 213# now but bf has jumped to about 12% or so. This has almost 100% convinced me to do my first cycle this fall, though...

 

[lemur]

I just think you should take into consideration all other factors before juicing. If you can answer "yes" to the following questions then you can consider juicing:

Do you have all of your diet under control? Every aspect? Every little detail worked out?

Calculate 262% (I think this is percent, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) of your wrist size. Are your arms that big? If not, they can get bigger naturally.

Are you supplementing with the less serious aids? Creatine? Glutamine? Protein? Multivitamin?



And another quick question: how much do you weigh, and how tall are you? Also can you take a stab at bodyfat?


I would not recommend juicing at all, but it's your decision, not mine.