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[looking to lean]

Im currently dieting and training like crazy getting my bf% down before I do a cycle.

I (like many Im sure) did my first cycle without enough knowledge of what I was using and PCT afterwards. Luckily I only gained a bit of fat when I came off.

This site has been absolutely great. Ive been training (naturally) for 12 years, other than the 2 month cycle I took.

I know the cycle Im going to take (when Im ready) and have been picking up the components as I go along.

here is what Ive picked up for a cutting cycle...

30ml 200mg EQ
50ml 50 mg Winny
12ml 100mg T Prop
5ml 250mg T Depot
10ml 200mg T Enth (maybe 20x)

30ml 5mg Letro
17ml 1mg Adex
10ml 200mcg Clen

the odd numbers are some left overs from the cycle I took.

anything missing from this cycle?

anything more I need for PCT? hcg... clomid... etc

can I get some advice on doses per injection? keep in mind this will be relatively my first cycle. I have read about the test only first cycle. Im not looking for huge size gains. only lean gains, as I am already quite muscular.

What is a good bf% to get to before starting this cycle?

I am 31y/o 22%bf 280lbs with alot of muscle mass.

Im taking alot of AF products right now:

Trex, Lrex, Seasapure, glucorell, Purecee and multi vits/mins.

Im doing a CKD rght now and am in no hurry to start my cycle.

All the info and help is very much appreciated. I want to gain as much knowledge as I can before taking anymore drugs.

thanx so much in advance.

 

[darwinmcduck]

If you are looking to cut up then I would not take any test unless it was the prop(and at light dosages 300mgs/wk). As far as injetions go it is not uncommon for nursing home patients to take 3cc intramuscularly everyday. It all depends on how the area of administration is affected by the repeated injections. You can take a 3cc shot in the same cheek twice a week with no problem. If there is not an excessive amount of benzyl alcohol in your compounds of course. For PCT you would need to run clomid for 3 weeks and hcg for 2-3. I do not think the order will matter much in this case. It seems to work better when clomid and hcg overlap for a week or two. I would also plan on running hcg for a week maybe 3wks after I ran my initial pct. Better safe than sorry.

Best of luck and be careful with high test dosages.

 

[UFC22]

No need to implement all those compounds when this will be your first TRUE cycle right? You said you did your first cycle with lack of knowledge and got nothing out of it. So why not do your first cycle all over again the RIGHT way?

1-12 - Test 400-600mgs/EW
10-14 - Winny 50mgs/ED
(Run letro at 1.25mgs/ED thru out the cycle)

 

[looking to lean]

thanx darwinmcduck, I wasnt actually asking about how many cc's to inject, but how many cc's of each and when.

I WAS thinking..

400mg EQ/week
200-400mg test enth/week
25mg winny/12 hours

ufc22, I did get gains from my first cycle (deca/test/winny), but without the proper diet and PCT I lost it all and gained some fat.

Im still set on the triple stack, but with EQ this time. I really enjoyed the strength gains. with diet and PCT in check, I should be flying this time around.

again, Im not starting this stack until my bf% is down to......... ?????? (next question)

I was thinking sub 15%, but the more I read, the more Im leaning (pun not intended) towards 10% before I start.

 

[Jon79]

good luck wit it

 

[darwinmcduck]

800mgs of test is a lot and will come with water retention and a rebound effect that you will have to curve when you discontinue. It will work great for size and strength but will not harden you up. It will make you puffy. So if you are asking how effective of a cutting cyle it will be, I have to tell you it is not the right mix. Just do the eq,winny, and the prop. Try to keep total intake around 1000mgs/wk. If your receptors are still fresh you should do just fine.

 

[looking to lean]

I never said anything about 800mg of test per week. I was thinking of:

400mg EQ/week
200-400mg test enth/week
25mg winny/12 hours


the more I read about EQ tho, the more Im thinking thats too light of a dose. 600-800 being optimal....? Ill keep the test down to 200-250 per week if that will keep the bloat down a bit. I have letro in hand if that will help

 

[VascularitY]

If you are looking to cut up then I would not take any test unless it was the prop(and at light dosages 300mgs/wk). As far as injetions go it is not uncommon for nursing home patients to take 3cc intramuscularly everyday. It all depends on how the area of administration is affected by the repeated injections. You can take a 3cc shot in the same cheek twice a week with no problem. If there is not an excessive amount of benzyl alcohol in your compounds of course. For PCT you would need to run clomid for 3 weeks and hcg for 2-3. I do not think the order will matter much in this case. It seems to work better when clomid and hcg overlap for a week or two. I would also plan on running hcg for a week maybe 3wks after I ran my initial pct. Better safe than sorry.

Best of luck and be careful with high test dosages.

Why do people keep insisting that test isnt for cutting, Prop Cyp Enant...any of them can be used effectively, when running an AI any of em are just as good as the next. DIET is the key with any AAS, whether be for bulking or cutting.