When do threats become illegal????

[Testosterone boy]

Those of us who have lived in the real world for some time realize that one will get ripped off for significant sums ofmoney from time to time.

One can forget about it.

One can enrich a lawyer and get back pennies on the dollar after mucho haggling.

One can scare the bad guys and this occasionally works the best. The tirck is to not land in jail.




I asked a "bad guy" this morning for his address. he refused. I then asked if he had any children. That is not a threat but it should make him take things a little more seriously.






Note...........this is not about bodybuilding and the law.

 

[MFMan]

Citruscide?

 

[Testosterone boy]

Citruscide?

I prefer to chat about these things. odds are good that one or two will have some experience in something like this.

 

[jnuts]

then asked if he had any children. That is not a threat but it should make him take things a little more seriously.

That line of questioning would seriously piss me off.

It's one thing to go man-to-man -> it's a whole different level to bring children into the equation.

 

[Ganryu]

Who did you loan money to that you didn't have the address for? Are you two real close, or are you starting a career as a loan shark?

 

[Testosterone boy]

Who did you loan money to that you didn't have the address for? Are you two real close, or are you starting a career as a loan shark?

It is a "100% moneyback guarantee" on my boat motor.

This was the deal:

1) Pay $1800. If there is a motor problem, they will fix it. If there are no motor problems, you get your money back after 5 years.


They say they can keep my money because I requested it two weeks prior to 5 years instead of waiting the full 5 years. The sales lady at the boat dealer just said it had to be requested within 30 days. She is the boat dealers wife.


I have made several inquisitions......it is a very shady operation. I get different stories evertime from everybody.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Re: Re: When do threats become illegal????

That line of questioning would seriously piss me off.

It's one thing to go man-to-man -> it's a whole different level to bring children into the equation.

If he has children then the options change a lot.

He stole $1800, I want to piss him off.

 

[Ganryu]

Gotcha. That's a tough one. I would probably go there and confront him in front of other customers. Is he listed in BBB? You could complain to them. Take out an ad in the local newspaper telling people he sucks. Even if you can't get your $ back, you can still legally get him.

 

[Citruscide]

Basically a threat isn't a threat unless it is directed AT someone directly... So, saying "I think all jews should be killed" -- isn't a threat to a Jew who is standing right in front of the person who is being talked to -- now, saying "I think YOU should be killed" -- is a little different -- it isn't really an opinion, it is directed AT someone, an in context, can be taken as a threat.

For instance -- saying "I'd watch myself, this is a dangerous city for guys like you who screw people" isn't a threat. But, saying, "You'd better watch yourself, I might just show up on your doorstep someday" -- is.

I hope this helps, I have a few cases I remember on this -- basically comes down to a free speech thing... fighting words/threats are not protected under the first amendment.

C-ditty

 

[Nihilist]

as long as your not face to face, i dont think theyll do much but maybe a meet and greet.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Gotcha. That's a tough one. I would probably go there and confront him in front of other customers. Is he listed in BBB? You could complain to them. Take out an ad in the local newspaper telling people he sucks. Even if you can't get your $ back, you can still legally get him.

The "company" is supposedly in Washington. Turns out that he was the mastermind of the operation and works out of Detroit with no address available.

 

[Citruscide]

BTW -- a threat need not be made to the person's face... over the phone would still constitute a threat, if the relevant language and intent was there... taken in context.

C-ditty

 

[Nihilist]

however, you may be subject to some terrorist law. i understand theyre really pushing the limits on those.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Basically a threat isn't a threat unless it is directed AT someone directly... So, saying "I think all jews should be killed" -- isn't a threat to a Jew who is standing right in front of the person who is being talked to -- now, saying "I think YOU should be killed" -- is a little different -- it isn't really an opinion, it is directed AT someone, an in context, can be taken as a threat.

For instance -- saying "I'd watch myself, this is a dangerous city for guys like you who screw people" isn't a threat. But, saying, "You'd better watch yourself, I might just show up on your doorstep someday" -- is.

I hope this helps, I have a few cases I remember on this -- basically comes down to a free speech thing... fighting words/threats are not protected under the first amendment.

C-ditty

What infuriates me is that it is legal to fuck someone so bad that they lose some control yet one can do little but give more money to a lawyer.

A lawyer might well work with a legitimate company. If this was Ford or Michelin, I would hire a lawyer.

 

[biteme]

Those of us who have lived in the real world for some time realize that one will get ripped off for significant sums ofmoney from time to time.

One can forget about it.

One can enrich a lawyer and get back pennies on the dollar after mucho haggling.

One can scare the bad guys and this occasionally works the best. The tirck is to not land in jail.




I asked a "bad guy" this morning for his address. he refused. I then asked if he had any children. That is not a threat but it should make him take things a little more seriously.






Note...........this is not about bodybuilding and the law.

WoW! That's pretty radical man. I'm all for intimidating the bad guys, but I'd never bring their family into it. I think that's very wrong. That would make you a bad guy. Your not a bad guy, so don't do that.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Re: Re: When do threats become illegal????

WoW! That's pretty radical man. I'm all for intimidating the bad guys, but I'd never bring their family into it. I think that's very wrong. That would make you a bad guy. Your not a bad guy, so don't do that.

If he has a family then options change a lot. That is my interest in the family. I'm just trying to find out if he has a family.

If there are no children to care of then I can pay him a friendly visit.

 

[biteme]

Start fucking his shit up and costing him money. When he realizes that it will be cheaper for him to pay you, he will choose that option. I have used threats successively many times in the past, it's been awhile so I can't remember my tactics off hand, except for the time I threatened to blow up a business and told them I would just deny it if asked. I got my money back, otherwise I would not have.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Start fucking his shit up and costing him money. When he realizes that it will be cheaper for him to pay you, he will choose that option. I have used threats successively many times in the past, it's been awhile so I can't remember my tactics off hand, except for the time I threatened to blow up a business and told them I would just deny it if asked. I got my money back, otherwise I would not have.

Sometimes one has to scare them.

I have also been forced to threaten and only got results after doing so. They really want you to follow proper channnels which will result in absolutely nothing happening.


Legal action does not pay unless several thousand dollars are at stake.

 

[kronk]

Basically a threat isn't a threat unless it is directed AT someone directly... So, saying "I think all jews should be killed" -- isn't a threat to a Jew who is standing right in front of the person who is being talked to -- now, saying "I think YOU should be killed" -- is a little different -- it isn't really an opinion, it is directed AT someone, an in context, can be taken as a threat.

For instance -- saying "I'd watch myself, this is a dangerous city for guys like you who screw people" isn't a threat. But, saying, "You'd better watch yourself, I might just show up on your doorstep someday" -- is.

I hope this helps, I have a few cases I remember on this -- basically comes down to a free speech thing... fighting words/threats are not protected under the first amendment.

C-ditty

Well said, and I would also add one thing. With the new Homeland Security acts, threats are now considered "Domestic Terrorism" or can be with a good lawyer and you can really get into a heap of crap.

 

[biteme]

Once this little convict that I went to school with, he was a sports writer for the Ft. Worth Star Telegram. He was starting a pyramid scheme and he phoned me and asked if I wanted to get in on it. He guaranteed me that if I gave him $1500, that I would get back $12,000. I told him that I could not afford to lose the money because we were fixing to buy a house. He said don't worry, can't lose. Well, he was full of shit. He pocketed my $1500 and the scheme died out and he wasn't going to give my money back. I told his friend that I would find a way to fuck him up very badly and I dropped hints of ways that I could do so. The check came in the mail a few days later.

 

[kronk]

however, you may be subject to some terrorist law. i understand theyre really pushing the limits on those.

Sorry I didn't see this before I posted the first time. This is VERY true right now. Any threat over the phone, internet, etc, can now fall under domestic terrorism.

 

[Testosterone boy]

This creates a scammers paradise. Guns and threats are needed to keep them from ruling.

Thats the real world folks. Sorry.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Once this little convict that I went to school with, he was a sports writer for the Ft. Worth Star Telegram. He was starting a pyramid scheme and he phoned me and asked if I wanted to get in on it. He guaranteed me that if I gave him $1500, that I would get back $12,000. I told him that I could not afford to lose the money because we were fixing to buy a house. He said don't worry, can't lose. Well, he was full of shit. He pocketed my $1500 and the scheme died out and he wasn't going to give my money back. I told his friend that I would find a way to fuck him up very badly and I dropped hints of ways that I could do so. The check came in the mail a few days later.

I find it very interesting that one of the most honest and considerate members is the only one to tell these stories.

 

[Heahy Minister]

So would saying this line be considered a threat:

"People like you always get what's coming to them in due time!"

And if I were to add after, "And that time I feel is nearing for you!"

 

[Testosterone boy]

So would saying this line be considered a threat:

"People like you always get what's coming to them in due time!"

And if I were to add after, "And that time I feel is nearing for you!"

I doubt that is a prosecutable threat. Besides it would not work.

You have to scare them. You do that be being so angry that fancy phrases are not used.

I really wish things were otherwise.

One must realize that one is dealing with a crook, they are not easily managed.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Basically a threat isn't a threat unless it is directed AT someone directly... So, saying "I think all jews should be killed" -- isn't a threat to a Jew who is standing right in front of the person who is being talked to -- now, saying "I think YOU should be killed" -- is a little different -- it isn't really an opinion, it is directed AT someone, an in context, can be taken as a threat.

For instance -- saying "I'd watch myself, this is a dangerous city for guys like you who screw people" isn't a threat. But, saying, "You'd better watch yourself, I might just show up on your doorstep someday" -- is.

I hope this helps, I have a few cases I remember on this -- basically comes down to a free speech thing... fighting words/threats are not protected under the first amendment.

C-ditty

Out of curiousity, what would someone like you charge to write him, at Dealers Resource Inc, a letter? He marketed the program and is the brains behind the operation. A similar letter would also go to 100% Money Back Guarantee.

 

[Testosterone boy]

I just told him I would pay him a visit. Didn't even ruffle a feather, he is one cool cat who has been down this road dozens of times.

Does someone know how to find legal records on a company? I am sure that others have pressed for fraud etc.

 

[Testosterone boy]

What happens if I manage to break a few bones in his hand when I shake it???

 

[PBR]

with the BBB your statute of limitations might have run out....only have 1 year to file complaint in calif...as Kronk said, do not use the phone for anything other than legal professional business....the phone carries its own crimes/laws....he might have something worth 1800 bucks just lying around......wink

 

[gonelifting]

Is`nt there a crack in his sidewalk? If so trip on it and bang your head on his front window.

You can`t remember anything? You better sue him now.

lol JK

But seriously, If you had a contract with him, Take him to small claims court. You would`nt need a lawyer then. I don`t know too much about the process but if it`s only a couple thousand it might be worth it. IF you have a solid case (contract).

 

[Generic MALE]

BTW -- a threat need not be made to the person's face... over the phone would still constitute a threat, if the relevant language and intent was there... taken in context.

C-ditty

Would they have to tape record it or have a witness or some other proof - could you get arrested on assault if someone just TOLD the police "he said threatening things to me"...?


Long ago I learned 4 rules of revenge:
1) never tell anyone what you are going to do
2) Never tell anyone what you did
3) Wait long enough so you won't be a suspect
4) Try not to involve any accomplices because they might tell

Of course I never recommend revenge

 

[bdog527]

Long ago I learned 4 rules of revenge:
1) never tell anyone what you are going to do
2) Never tell anyone what you did
3) Wait long enough so you won't be a suspect
4) Try not to involve any accomplices because they might tell

solid advice

 

[biteme]

Would they have to tape record it or have a witness or some other proof - could you get arrested on assault if someone just TOLD the police "he said threatening things to me"...?


Long ago I learned 4 rules of revenge:
1) never tell anyone what you are going to do
2) Never tell anyone what you did
3) Wait long enough so you won't be a suspect
4) Try not to involve any accomplices because they might tell

Of course I never recommend revenge

There has to be solid proof. Note to self: Never piss off GM.

 

[Heahy Minister]

I would for one think that making a threat over the phone is the best way? They would need to tape record it right? You can just say your threat real fast then hang up lol.

 

[WalkingBeast]

Just KILL his kids Kids suck anyway

 

[Frackal]

Would they have to tape record it or have a witness or some other proof - could you get arrested on assault if someone just TOLD the police "he said threatening things to me"...?


Long ago I learned 4 rules of revenge:
1) never tell anyone what you are going to do
2) Never tell anyone what you did
3) Wait long enough so you won't be a suspect
4) Try not to involve any accomplices because they might tell

Of course I never recommend revenge

Yep, doing this will eliminate the human fallacy factor that gets people busted.

Add a 5th caveat to that:

5) Make sure whatever you do is untraceable to you.

6) Leave the kids out of it.

 

[Nihilist]

Sorry I didn't see this before I posted the first time. This is VERY true right now. Any threat over the phone, internet, etc, can now fall under domestic terrorism.

if you werent such a kool bro, i may have had to own your ass. but your safe. lmao

 

[Testosterone boy]

Yep, doing this will eliminate the human fallacy factor that gets people busted.

Add a 5th caveat to that:

5) Make sure whatever you do is untraceable to you.

6) Leave the kids out of it.

I have to find out if they have kids before a decision is made as to what form or behavior modification is used.

No reason to punish an innocent kid because their dad is a crook.

At any rate....I will have to wait several months or years now. Time has little meaning to me and I remember things like it was yesterday.