What's Your Theory Behind............

[JKurz1]

using dextrose in your PW shake???? I mean I understand the concept, but WHY does this work? Whats the magic behind it?

 

[sweed]

I think its that dude God's fault... haha

sorry wish i could give a good chemically sophisticated answer

 

[Tangatrollet]

after u finish ur workout ur body is about to enter a catabolic state.dextrose makes ur blood sugar level go to 140 gi scale. pushing more nutrients into ur blodflow and entering an anabolic state quick.. something like that.

 

[ericahls]

using dextrose in your PW shake???? I mean I understand the concept, but WHY does this work? Whats the magic behind it?

Dextrose restores the Glycogen in your muscles.
Why does dextrose retore Glycogen in your muscles.

 

[JKurz1]

OK....let me re-phrase........I understand WHAT dextrose does, but I want to know the THEORY behind it....is it shuttling the whey and creatin (or whatever) throughout your system faster? Why do some reccomend taking it immidiately or even during your workout when no protein is available..? Why dont we take it with every meal containing protein to help shuttle the nutrients? My apologies if this is dumb and please dont post a scientific study, I want laymens terms, your interrupretation......mucho K!

 

[v shape]

Dextrose is like pure glucose. It spikes your insulin levels so that protein/nutrients can be shuttled into your muscles quickly. The best time to boost your insulin/shuttle nutrients is post-workout when yout body needs it the most. Using dextrose at this time will be the only time you can take a lot of glucose (sugar) and it will not lead to fat gain. You don't want to take dextrose with everymeal because it will spike your insulin too many times which is dangerous. Also dextrose at every meal will increase your bodyfat because glycogen levels will be always full (spillover effect).

 

[Makavelli]

Dextrose is like pure glucose. It spikes your insulin levels so that protein/nutrients can be shuttled into your muscles quickly. The best time to boost your insulin/shuttle nutrients is post-workout when yout body needs it the most. Using dextrose at this time will be the only time you can take a lot of glucose (sugar) and it will not lead to fat gain. You don't want to take dextrose with everymeal because it will spike your insulin too many times which is dangerous. Also dextrose at every meal will increase your bodyfat because glycogen levels will be always full (spillover effect).

You got it V Shape...now I don't have to write it. He's correct. Dextrose causes the biggest spike in insulin levels.

 

[JKurz1]

ok...so now...how much do YOU use and in what combo?

wt/stats?

 

[Raffaz]

Not sure if you have seen this, its a good article.

http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/windowofopportunity.php

Mick

 

[JustGottaKnow]

Personally I've tried the dextrose thing for several months now, and while it does help, it also makes you fat and fucks with your insulin, which I think outweighs the minor benefits of using it PW.
I'm done with dextrose.

 

[mr.cuts]

Personally I've tried the dextrose thing for several months now, and while it does help, it also makes you fat and fucks with your insulin, which I think outweighs the minor benefits of using it PW.
I'm done with dextrose.

I don't agree with the theory behind taking in high GI carbs post workout. It's funny seeing all these fat asses sitting at the shake bar drinking these high sugar post workout drinks. I personally use around 50-100 grams of carbs in the form of oatmeal + 50 grams of whey post workout. I have found that I am able to stay very lean year round due to the elimination of sugars in my diet.

 

[JKurz1]

I'm literally shocked by the last two posts..........anyone else subscribe to the low gi approach? As far as the fat fucks drinking high gi bev. postworkout? Hardly! This I know is a joke...........some jacked dudes in my gym are always slamming dext/whey shakes and I bet 3/4ths drink them DURING.............hmmm...

you drink your oats or cooked?

 

[mr.cuts]

I'm literally shocked by the last two posts..........anyone else subscribe to the low gi approach? As far as the fat fucks drinking high gi bev. postworkout? Hardly! This I know is a joke...........some jacked dudes in my gym are always slamming dext/whey shakes and I bet 3/4ths drink them DURING.............hmmm...

you drink your oats or cooked?

I am just posting what works for me. Low GI carbs post workout may not be ideal for everyone. My bodyfat never goes over 10% by the way, and I consume between 4000-5000 cals per day. I attribute this to eliminating sugar and consuming all my carbs from low GI sources such as oatmeal and yams. Post workout, I eat 1-2 cups of cooked oats along with a whey shake(isopure).

 

[JKurz1]

I am just posting what works for me. Low GI carbs post workout may not be ideal for everyone. My bodyfat never goes over 10% by the way, and I consume between 4000-5000 cals per day. I attribute this to eliminating sugar and consuming all my carbs from low GI sources such as oatmeal and yams. Post workout, I eat 1-2 cups of cooked oats along with a whey shake(isopure).

You got any pics bro?

Stats?

Gimme a low down of your daily diet.......I've never gone over 12% myself and am currently about 8-9...........just starteed using high gi pw and only pw.........but maybe Ill switch over

 

[mr.cuts]

You got any pics bro?

Stats?

Gimme a low down of your daily diet.......I've never gone over 12% myself and am currently about 8-9...........just starteed using high gi pw and only pw.........but maybe Ill switch over

I am currently 220lbs at 9% bodyfat, I am 5'10''. I stay on 250mg of test per week year round, I'll add in deca at 200mg per week along with the 250mg of test every few months.

 

[JKurz1]

shoot me a daily diet........just curious........

 

[slat1]

I have followed a fairly low gi diet since about 1997. I went from a 230lb fat ass to a cracked out looking 177lb lean guy. I added in protien and started slamming on the muscle (low sugar/low carbs). I peaked out at about 205 and 5%bf. Since then I have added things like oatmeal to my daily diet in the morning and post work out. Obviously, by looking at my avatar you can tell I am not a genetic freak by any means (6'3" 235 7% or so bf). For me, staying lean is now number one. Putting more size on is number two.
On the fat asses at the gym. I think if you watch those shakes being made you will notice that they are not made with water. They are being made with milk, apple juice, cranberry juice or something similar. On top of that they are adding bananas, strawberrry's etc. In the end it is a ton of sugar that is not of the same quality at dextrose... more likely sucrose which is garbage.
I think everyones body responds differently. Myself, if I touch sugar, white flour or starchy foods my abs will start covering up quickly. Others can hammer that stuff down and still stay lean.

 

[JKurz1]

yeah, your avatar shows great detail! LOL.......its fuzzy bro..........can barely tell what the hell it is.......lol.......its all good

Ok, so right now I'm that cracked out 180 at 6'2.........prob. around 8-9%......been as high as 240 and 12-13% solid, but forget how to get there and now dont want to lose the definition. I currently do cardio when I roll out of bed every morning, mainly because I sit in my office all day and need the release and also cause I dont want to lose the definition.....I also do a quick 15 mintues in the afternoon after I train........here's my layout, maybe I should switch over.........help me out bro.......

500am cardio (25 min HIIT elliptical)

630
scoop whey, 1/2 cup oats, pc of ezekiel bread, half can tuna, little skim milk

930
egg whites to fill 1 cup
1/2 cup steel cut oats (=1 cup rolled)
1 scoop whey
250g of cottage cheese (1/2 tub) with chopped banana, berries
1/2 cup carb sense skim in coffee

noon
6oz lean beef/chicken
3/4 c brown rice , 1/4 cup beans
2c of green vegies
large salad

230
1/2 cup oats, , 250g of cottage cheese(1/2 tub), scoop of whey
1/2 cup carb sense skim, 1/2 can tuna, pc of ezekiel

430 TRAIN

630
(post workout)
40g protein with at least 40g of dextrose (switch to cup of oats)




800
l250g of cottage cheese, thick casein shake w/ egg whites and skim, 4-5 LARGE handfulls of nuts............

830 BED

 

[Texas Ranger]

I have followed a fairly low gi diet since about 1997. I went from a 230lb fat ass to a cracked out looking 177lb lean guy. I added in protien and started slamming on the muscle (low sugar/low carbs). I peaked out at about 205 and 5%bf. Since then I have added things like oatmeal to my daily diet in the morning and post work out. Obviously, by looking at my avatar you can tell I am not a genetic freak by any means (6'3" 235 7% or so bf). For me, staying lean is now number one. Putting more size on is number two.
On the fat asses at the gym. I think if you watch those shakes being made you will notice that they are not made with water. They are being made with milk, apple juice, cranberry juice or something similar. On top of that they are adding bananas, strawberrry's etc. In the end it is a ton of sugar that is not of the same quality at dextrose... more likely sucrose which is garbage.
I think everyones body responds differently. Myself, if I touch sugar, white flour or starchy foods my abs will start covering up quickly. Others can hammer that stuff down and still stay lean.

Slat, what do you use post-workout? I read an article by IFBB pro, Gustavo Badell. He works with Milos Sarcev for his contests. He eats fast digesting carbs like White Potatoes or Rice post-workout and Oatmeal pre-workout.

 

[Makavelli]

Slat, what do you use post-workout? I read an article by IFBB pro, Gustavo Badell. He works with Milos Sarcev for his contests. He eats fast digesting carbs like White Potatoes or Rice post-workout and Oatmeal pre-workout.

Milos is big on using dextrose w/humalog post workout. Whereas Chad Nicholls prefers humilin R with a mix of fast/med/slow carbs. Taking in dextrose pwo works great period. I don't know why this subject keeps coming up on this board. It's not new.