go to designer supps
or bulknutrition.com
they have good info on it
the problem to start out was too low of doses, 4-6mg ed should be good
i would still suggest pct and liver supps
(i used 3mg ed, 6oxo pct, pro liver: 205lb to 214lb, held at 212-215lb for 2 months after, so it was a solid gain, not as strong as m1t though, but you dont get the water retention)