Let's not be misled here. These are good for the jumpstart. But they are good for bulking because of the reasons that you guys seem to be slamming. Water is good for creating an anabolic environment, plus, this shit hits quick. My suspicion is that we have been so trained here to look at these types of questions and be like: "Good lord another Dbol or Adrol question, someone is going to do an oral only cycle" As far as the original poll, which is better? I don't know because I have only used dbol to jump start a cycle. I will use anadrol next. I have no problems with the water, so I actually loved the shit, although it didn't live up to the hype. I am hoping anadrol does live up to the hype. Don't get me wrong, I understand the posts above and why these substances are getting slammed.