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Not what would be considered a typical first cycle, but you can try it and see how you react to the compound.

Yet I would highly suggest some Test to do a first cycle.
 
ive clearly stated NO TEST!, how is test a better first cycle? just curious. i hear nothing but good things about anavar and it has barely anyside effects, so much so u dnt even need a pct .
what is with everybodys obsession with test on these forums?
 
unless your getting pharm grade and i doubt you are the effects will be minimal however with 400mg's of enanthate you have something
 
some bors have had low appetite issues with var

supplement with a vit B complex - seems to make me hungry

and ditto on the creatine, it's a must with var
 
zeplin7464 said:
ive clearly stated NO TEST!, how is test a better first cycle? just curious. i hear nothing but good things about anavar and it has barely anyside effects, so much so u dnt even need a pct .
what is with everybodys obsession with test on these forums?
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Here we go again. Why no test. Afraid of needle or do you think there are too many sides from test from what you have read on the internet. Most of the sides from test can be taken care of on cycle you should have everything on hand before you start a cycle as far as an AI and everything your going to need for your PCT.
 
Its much easier to just include test in your cycle as a base and get twice the gains. Go ahead and do anavar only. waste your money bro, were only tryin to let you get the most out of your cycle. Just because you only want anavar doesnt mean its the best choice, so if your set on having it your way then ok anavar only is ALRIGHT but you should do 40mg/8 weeks or 60mg/6 weeks with creatin. and vitargo. and a lot of water. and some cholestorol supps. AND get a PCT even a OTC PCT will work
 
im guessing (may not be your case i dont know your stats) but he doesnt want to do test because hes aleady fat and heard var wil shred him up like crazy :P
 
Greatercow said:
im guessing (may not be your case i dont know your stats) but he doesnt want to do test because hes aleady fat and heard var wil shred him up like crazy :P
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Haha, its got to be since you can still lean out on test. :newbie:
 
Greatercow said:
im guessing (may not be your case i dont know your stats) but he doesnt want to do test because hes aleady fat and heard var wil shred him up like crazy :P
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lol harshh maybe true. But thats why we should have asked for stats
:rolleyes:
 
Stats Zeplin......... Age, Height, Weight, years training, diet
 
No stats means we have nothing to work with, nowhere to start, and no advice to give.
 
i was in the same place when i first got interested in steroids. i wanted something that wouldn't need needles...i wanted to do an oral cycle with var and dbol. after doing MORE RESEARCH i finally gave in and decided i would man up and poke myself even tho i was scared shitless the first time! really guy, if you want to do the var go for it and use what the other guys said with it but i would advise you to hold off and read some more (your obviously not ready for every aspect of a cycle yet). i'm not trying to be mean and/or offend you, it's just the truth. take it from me, do what i did and you won't be disappointed! i've never heard of anyone NOT liking test, i'm sure there are people like that but they are few and far between.
 
No im not scared of test or needles for that matter, i dont want to be huge either...im too short in addition to just not want to be messwith it at my agedue to the fact that im acne prone and already have extremely high lvel of test in my bloodstream ..... STATS> IM 21, 5'7, 8%bf, 4 years consistant training at least 5 days a week, clean diet consiting of high protein and alot of good carbs(brown rice whole grains etc...) at least 1 gram of protein/pound of body wiehgt, l-gutamine 5 grams a day, 2 before and 2 after workout, branched chain aminos before as well, and arginine before sleep.
 
that's definitely a good start! there are things for the acne and more test can't hurt imho. just do 250mg/wk with the var and you will thank me. what's your weight buy the way, you forgot that one.

edit: i don't want to come off as pushy, this is just me talking. do what you want, i don't have anything against var...
 
zeplin7464 said:
Im about 170 lbs, i have a good amount of mass already, i dont want to look like a tree trunk
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Would you prefer to look like a sun flower stalk?

:D

Seriously, I think for the goal you are after, you can get there without the need of hormones. It will just be a little harder work but will make you all the happier knowing you got it by busting your balls off.
 
zeplin7464 said:
Im about 170 lbs, i have a good amount of mass already, i dont want to look like a tree trunk
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..no worries it wont happen overnight but imo at your bf level id bulk a lil bit but a var cycle may be good for you also
 
thanks, i feel ive just hit a plateau...i want a little more size mabey up to a sloid 180 with the same bf level, actually im really trying to get to about 6 percent bf
 
imo 170 at 5'7 isn't bad at all. now i understand your situation better, cardinal is probably right. i would suggest using dermatherm or some other similar product with dermacrine if you just can't get there on your own.
 
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