what test for 1st - Enth or Prop??

[Steve The Bluesman]

Brothers ~

I have been researching Test, and while I have never stuck before, the more research I do the more comfortable I am getting with it. (I am 37, 5'8", 175 - former boxer, current amatuer baseball player, lifting for years, want to gain strength and size for injury prevention and performance, yadda yadda.)

In deciding what test to go with, one of the criteria I am using is which will be the least painful injection and which do I only have to stick once a week. The answer to that seems to be Enthanate.

Simple, right? Well, the other issue is that Enth is long lasting, moreso that prop, so IF there are any side effect problems, it will make things harder to manage if sides get to be a big issue.

I am leaning toward enth, and it seems dirt cheap and more effective than other AAS out there.

Aside from standard possible side issues like gyno, acne and bloat, is there anything specific to look out for when using Test Ent, aside from the test flu and brittle joints?

I was thinking 400mg/week for 10 weeks, jump started by 4 weeks of Dbol, 20-25/mg ED. If the vials come in 10ml, and it is 200mg per ml, that means I would just need two vials for 10 weeks right? (Just making sure of my math.)

Finally, anyone have an opinion on Apex as a test manufacturer?

Thanks,


Bluesman

 

[BrandonXJ]

sorry if this isn't an exact answer, but have you considered Sust? It's got the short and long esters, best of the both worlds imo.. I'm about your build though a bit lighter, I was ~165 14% when I ran my Sus 500mg/week cycle (10 weeks) and saw some good gains in size and strength. Personally I just don't like Dbol, not worth the sides and you never keep the gains, but to each his own.

 

[hrt39]

Dude...Real prop is painful to inject. Due to it's short life, it requires frequent injections to keep blood levels steady. Not a good combo. Cypionate or enanthate or even sustanon would be much more level on your system.

 

[mrdeeznuts]

My suggestion would be for u to run test enth 500mg and eq 400mg per week.

If dead set on dbol and test, use sus 1 amp every 4-5 days and dbol a 25mg per day split up throughout the day

 

[Optimus B]

in your situation, i'd go for the prop. like you said, the biggest problem is with frequent (ED or EOD) injections and site pain but for your first experience with test, you'll find out relatively quickly how you react to it. in addition, should negative sides occur, it's pretty much out of your system after a week.

regardless of what you decide, both are good choices (enth or prop). good luck

 

[slat1]

I would run test ent at 400mgs a week for ten weeks. No dbol. Since its your first cycle stick to one compound and see how you respond to it.
I hope you have your PCT in order and know how to use it!

 

[Raffaz]

Just use enanthate, less frequent injections. Prop hurts bad. Most sides can be managed with other drugs.

Mick

 

[cydex01]

Yes, two vials is all you need. That will be two cc's(ml's) per 400mg's (assuming each ml is 200mg).

I've only taken cypionate myself, not enthanate, but if you're worried about anything hurting, cypionate you barely even feel you're injecting anything. Although cyp is longer lasting than enanthate, if you have nolva on hand like you're supposed to, you can take care of the gyno problem if it tries to occur and discontinue the use of the test if you wish.

As far as the dbol goes, since you don't know how you're going to react as far as sides to the test or the dbol, you may want to just use the test first, then throw another compound in there on your next cycle.

cydex01

 

[Apexx]

optimus has a very good point about being able to quickly discontinue usage with prop in case sides occure. However, with 400mg/wk of enanthate, I doubt the side effects will be too harsh. You could always throw in some nolvadex to keep bloating down and combat the possibility of gyno.
As far as the dbol goes, I would drop it for the first cycle and stick with just test. It may take a few more weeks to start seeing results, but believe me, you should grow very well with just the test.

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

I am the OP...Hmmm...looks to be about 50-50 for prop and enth...

I understand the issues some have with dbol - but I am planning a dbol/proviron run for six weeks as a 1st run in March, so I will know how I react to the Dbol before I run test/dbol. (Yes, yes, I know, orals suck. But I am not going to run test into to the baseball season - I am old enough without having extra creaky joints from test.)

My plan is to run the test/dbol in Late Aug/Early Sept so I will know if the dbol is no good for me.

I am leaning toward the test enth. What if I were to run the 1st few weeks @ 250/wk, then increase to 400 assuming no nasty sides prop up? Also what about running proviron through the whole thing to cut bloat and gyno?

I do know about PCT - I will have Nolva for both proposed cycles, three weeks for the 6 week cycle, probably 4-5 for the test cycle.

Thanks,


Bluesman

 

[Optimus B]

to stave off gyno and bloat, your best bet would be an anti-aromatase like letrozole (~1mg E3D) or anastrozole (~0.5mg EOD).

 

[Swoolen_Puppy]

I agree with the other guys. I would run enanthate,cyp, or sust. Whatever you choose run it by itself for 10 weeks@400mg and see what it does. You will be amazed. Dont worry about bloat or gyno. If you keep on low doses you will be fine. My lil brother just finished up his first cycle and he gained 15 lean lbs and keeping it after 8 weeks. Test wont be too bad on your joints. Its compunds like winny that creak the joints. Besides if you start next week then by the time you get to march 1st your test will have kicked in. THe test will help you in you game but again thats just my 2 little ole pennies
S_P

 

[novice ck]

tommy2tone.... im on my first cycle 25 mg dbol ed and one amp of sust e5d.....decent gains so far only 3 shots into it though

 

[help4john]

I am the OP...Hmmm...looks to be about 50-50 for prop and enth...

I understand the issues some have with dbol - but I am planning a dbol/proviron run for six weeks as a 1st run in March, so I will know how I react to the Dbol before I run test/dbol. (Yes, yes, I know, orals suck. But I am not going to run test into to the baseball season - I am old enough without having extra creaky joints from test.)

My plan is to run the test/dbol in Late Aug/Early Sept so I will know if the dbol is no good for me.

I am leaning toward the test enth. What if I were to run the 1st few weeks @ 250/wk, then increase to 400 assuming no nasty sides prop up? Also what about running proviron through the whole thing to cut bloat and gyno?

I do know about PCT - I will have Nolva for both proposed cycles, three weeks for the 6 week cycle, probably 4-5 for the test cycle.

Thanks,


Bluesman

Like Slat said above, I am a firm believer that Test only s/b everyone's first cycle. I like your plan with 400mg EW. Plain, simple, and will yield good results....plus only one poke per week. The reason why many suggest Test only is to easily judge the sides on the first cycle so you can react accordingly.

Having written that, the only comment I really have is to help combat bloat and estrogen. Everyone is different and you may need to experiment to find the right recipe for you.....but Arimidex at .5mg EOD should be sufficient to combat any bloat and/or gyno. You can get this from our sponsors in liquid form....Liquidex. Others are big proponates of Nolvadex, Proviron, and Letro....all have their place. Good luck!

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

Bump for Apex...anyone have an opinion on Apex as far as a test manfuacturer? Quality?

Thanks,


Bluesman