From what I hear, unless you're a very genetically gifted and a hyper-responder (I personally fall somewhere in the middle of the bell curve), masteron needs to be used in high doses to get the desired effect. The last time I used it I was mid 230's and needed 100 mg ED to get the hardness and striations I was after. I haven't run it since, and next time I'll be using the BD Mastabol blend, probably at 1 cc EOD for at least 6 weeks, with tren, winny, and a touch of prop.