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I knew a guy a long time ago back in the old days. At the time I knew him he was around 42 years old. His favorite stack as an anti-estrogen method was this...get this....proviron 50mgs a day and Nolvadex 10mgs per day. He said this kept the bloat off and the gyno away. And dudes...this guy was never bloated!

And to keep his boys full and fully loaded :-)
He said that he uses Clomid at 50mgs EOD! No HCG...nothing! And this is a guy that NEVER, EVER came off the juice. Said he has been doing it like that for 7 years. Claims Dan Duchaine is the one that told him to do that.

This guy was fucking huge, hard, lean, strong and a really nice and kind person. He said that his libido was always fine like that. And that his loads were perfectly fine.


Now that I offer you guys this. What do you guys think about this? I have never done it like this before. NEVER! But damn...I'm willing to try this out. Minus the Nolva...I feel that its not necessary for me.

OH! and at the time Adex was the new anti-e that came out. He said that he used for like 4 months and didnt like it. I dont' think he mentioned why. But just said he didn't like it all. Perhaps it killed his sex drive???? Or something else. He just didn't say or maybe I just can't rmember.
 
ricorico said:
risky business to try that out....ill let you be the guinee pig. Im not throwing out my HCG just yet
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Whats so risky about it? Not anymore riskier then you or anybody sticking pins into themselves and injecting who knows what!
 
i just cant see making a full recovery without the use of HCG is all, but then again u said this guy didnt come off, so he wasnt trying to "recover", he was just looking to keep his nutz at a normal size....i dunno, if your planning on stayin on for 7 yrs then yea, maybe its a good idea... I on the other hand am going on "steroid hiatus" after this current cycle...if you give it a go keep us posted
 
Carth said:
Whats so risky about it? Not anymore riskier then you or anybody sticking pins into themselves and injecting who knows what!
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I know what I am injecting - it says it right on the label..........j/k


I think based on your avatar that you can experiment a little. You alreay look huge so I would bet you are pretty in-tune w/ your body. If it works then great and if not who cares as you have conventional pct methods to return to.

I do agree w/ the below post "u said this guy didnt come off, so he wasnt trying to "recover".

If not coming off is your plan then try his way, but if your coming off why try it?
 
Proviron + Nolvadex was the only anti-estrogen stack to combat aromatization up until Teslac came out in the mid to late 90's and especially any AI's like Anastrolzole, which didn't come available until a few years back. Teslac was tried and didn't do much more than Nolva could, plus it was hugely and outrageously priced that nobody really used it anyway.

If you do a search from the older archives of Elite, it varifies this stack with a bunch of us older users back in the 90's.

Proviron definately will keep you having that harder look. I love the stuff, but it should never be anybody's prime source of estrogen blockage with the stuff that is available today. It's a great drug for the willy though, as well as a hardening agent. Nolvadex is great for those who have low affinity to estrogenic flare-ups, but AI's are much better.

Your friend probably has a low susceptibility to estrogenic aromatization and activation, thus he can get away with such procedures.

Another fertility agent that was somewhat popular with users instead of Clomid, was Fertodur from Mexico. Although it was less effective.

At the time, that was all that was available for Duchaine to work with. He more than likely would have swayed towards the use of AI's of today if he were still around. In fact I know he would have.

BMJ
 
Carth said:
And this is a guy that NEVER, EVER came off the juice. Said he has been doing it like that for 7 years.
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No real PCT involved here, and obviously we can't say for sure how he'd do comming of the juice right now. I doubt it'd go very well if he didn't take some other measures.
 
Guys correct me if I'm wrong. You guys think this was a PCT? This is NOT a PCT. This is what he did all the time while on. I shouldn't even say WHILE ON! The guy never came off.

I DON'T COME OFF AND YOU ALL KNOW THIS BY NOW! Been on for years now. I don't do PCT. I'm on HRT for life! Once again..this is NOT a PCT. Just something he did to keep his boys full and loaded. And his libido up! And his sense of well being.

I jsut remember him teling me that his libido was always up! And it was true. I always saw him from time to time at South Beach with a new chick. He was always happy and smiling. Very friendly and outgoing. Said that he would shoot loads across the room. I just never tried. Because when I met him....I was doing cycles.

You know the usual shit. 2-3 months on..same amount of time off with PCT. But that was years ago! I would say probably back in 1996? Haven't seen him since like 1999 simply because he moved one way and I moved up north a bit.

His favorite drugs were Test, Dbol, and EQ. Not that stack..just saying..that is what he liked to use. He competed and had awards all over his house. Even had a few pics with him and Duchaine and Olivio. Is that the name? The black dude with the HUGE arms.
 
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken!"

Someone likes the KOTOR game series... :)
 
I think he probably had good genetics. That being said i love proviron. Nolva would be good to keep lipids in check and clomid definately keeps the boys working during cycle. At least if you want a kid. Dont know about natural test? Anyway, sounds good to me.
 
well the methods of PCT etc vary greatly here one year to the next....6 years ago EVERYONE said take clomid EOD during the cycle and that was what you needed, it was preached like the word of god, no one took hcg, then this whole "pct" thing started and everyone just sort of follows a few others and everyone is on the same bandwagon, in 5 more years im sure there will be another method that is popular for everyone who doesn't even know what they are talking about to recommend to others who have no idea what they are doing either
 
Like the rest of the world - newer and better ways of doing things are discovered/developed.

I think there is much better methods now days than what Dan did back then.
 
whatever happened to ... tapering??
what was arnolds pct in the 70's when half this shit wasnt around?
 
Mother of fucking God! Are you guys trying to piss me off again? No really are you? You last 3 guys mentioned PCT PCT PCT!

Holy fucking Christ! I didn't say this was a PCT dudes! This is what he ran EVERYFUCKING DAY!!! He never came off the gear! NEVER! And when I knew him he said that that he hasn't come off in like 7-8 years. He said he got sick of cycling. Seemed pointless to lose all you worked so hard for to then only try to gain it back.

See my Avatar? Haven't been off in years!!!! That is how you get to look like that.

Once again..he met up with Duchaine. Took a few shots with him. Talked with him and later became friends. Even went out to dinner a few times. He told Duchaine about his low sex drive and lousy cumshots. Duchaine was the one that told him to run Proviron 50mgs ED with Nolva at 10mgs ED to prevent bloat and gyno. Rene was his name...said to Duchaine that is what he did.

And that it helped only slightly. Duchaine then told him to just run Clomid at 50mgs EOD from now on. And he did that. He said like 3 weeks his libido returned to normal and his cum load was back to normal. Erections were up. Everything back to normal.
 
Carth said:
Mother of fucking God! Are you guys trying to piss me off again? No really are you? You last 3 guys mentioned PCT PCT PCT!

Holy fucking Christ! I didn't say this was a PCT dudes! This is what he ran EVERYFUCKING DAY!!! He never came off the gear! NEVER! And when I knew him he said that that he hasn't come off in like 7-8 years. He said he got sick of cycling. Seemed pointless to lose all you worked so hard for to then only try to gain it back.

See my Avatar? Haven't been off in years!!!! That is how you get to look like that.

Once again..he met up with Duchaine. Took a few shots with him. Talked with him and later became friends. Even went out to dinner a few times. He told Duchaine about his low sex drive and lousy cumshots. Duchaine was the one that told him to run Proviron 50mgs ED with Nolva at 10mgs ED to prevent bloat and gyno. Rene was his name...said to Duchaine that is what he did.

And that it helped only slightly. Duchaine then told him to just run Clomid at 50mgs EOD from now on. And he did that. He said like 3 weeks his libido returned to normal and his cum load was back to normal. Erections were up. Everything back to normal.
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BRO....calm the fuck down, i wasn't necessarily talking about you when i responded, maybe i should have quoted the guy above me who talked about pct...........maybe you should relax and realize threads take a mind of their own and you have to keep them on topic if you wish

and by the way, you don't have to stay on year round to look like your avatar either, don't know why you think that
 
drrman said:
BRO....calm the fuck down, i wasn't necessarily talking about you when i responded, maybe i should have quoted the guy above me who talked about pct...........maybe you should relax and realize threads take a mind of their own and you have to keep them on topic if you wish

and by the way, you don't have to stay on year round to look like your avatar either, don't know why you think that
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carth just try it then brotha. i think it will help you blow loads bigger and i know thats what you want to do lol. proviron is the shiat imo so you know i'll tell you to take that. that keeps my libido like a gorilla. i fuck my girl over and over and nut like a geyser with it. so try it out and tell us if it works
Carth said:
Mother of fucking God! Are you guys trying to piss me off again? No really are you? You last 3 guys mentioned PCT PCT PCT!

Holy fucking Christ! I didn't say this was a PCT dudes! This is what he ran EVERYFUCKING DAY!!! He never came off the gear! NEVER! And when I knew him he said that that he hasn't come off in like 7-8 years. He said he got sick of cycling. Seemed pointless to lose all you worked so hard for to then only try to gain it back.

See my Avatar? Haven't been off in years!!!! That is how you get to look like that.

Once again..he met up with Duchaine. Took a few shots with him. Talked with him and later became friends. Even went out to dinner a few times. He told Duchaine about his low sex drive and lousy cumshots. Duchaine was the one that told him to run Proviron 50mgs ED with Nolva at 10mgs ED to prevent bloat and gyno. Rene was his name...said to Duchaine that is what he did.

And that it helped only slightly. Duchaine then told him to just run Clomid at 50mgs EOD from now on. And he did that. He said like 3 weeks his libido returned to normal and his cum load was back to normal. Erections were up. Everything back to normal.
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bruce410 said:
carth just try it then brotha. i think it will help you blow loads bigger and i know thats what you want to do lol. proviron is the shiat imo so you know i'll tell you to take that. that keeps my libido like a gorilla. i fuck my girl over and over and nut like a geyser with it. so try it out and tell us if it works
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I know proviron works. I use it too. Its the clomid 50mgs EOD to keep the boys up and load up too.
 
drrman said:
BRO....calm the fuck down, i wasn't necessarily talking about you when i responded, maybe i should have quoted the guy above me who talked about pct...........maybe you should relax and realize threads take a mind of their own and you have to keep them on topic if you wish

and by the way, you don't have to stay on year round to look like your avatar either, don't know why you think that
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I'm on HRT for life. So even if I take my prescribed dose...isn't that considered still being ON???

I don't see your pic anywhere. You stand 100% behind by what you just said? Lets see it.

I know Needsize doesn't come off EVER! He bridges with low dose Var. Ok...I bridge with my prescribed Test. And? Your point is? Still...I or should I say WE need to see that pic of yours.
 
Silent Method said:
I'm thinking about running gear for an extended time - most of th year if not just continuous. Any tips?
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Yeah, make sure you find a good doctor that will help you get on HRT for life! LOL
 
What do you do aside from a steady dose of test (I assume) all year? Do you go heavy on test some times, lighter other times? Do you add your own compounds at specific times, etc.
 
This is easy. He has low susceptibility to estrogenic aromatization. When he took the Anastrolzole, it lowered his estrogen too much and his sex drive went down. Nolva and proviron are probably all that he has needed to keep estrogenic sides from occuring. Although some people can get away with this, a lot can't due to their susceptibility to aromatization. Keeping the estrogen at bay probaly keeps his sex drive and water retention down as well.

Most user's will need to determine on their own how susceptible they are to aromatization. Aging and genetics will play a part in this and not everybody will be able to get away with it for most of their AAS career. At first, myself and many others might have been able to get away with the old standard of Nolva/Proviron, but now, if we depended on that, we would grow a big ol' pair of tits.

Diet, choice of AAS used, how long a person uses AAS, and dosages of AAS compounds will also need to be factored in as well. The above method may work for the Brad Pitt type body's that probably use very low estrogenic compounds at low dosages to "look good" or to gain 5-10 pounds for the beach, but heavy users will more than likely, especially over time, will need to use some sort of AI to combat estrogenic sides.

The Clomid was just used to help with sex drive and load volume. This has been tried by many who do not have Clomid sensitive sides, and it works rather well. I've used it at times throughout cycles for very long periods and it can be effective. Look up the member 'E2' in the archives like Ulter mentioned, he should have some info regarding this topic from his personal use.

BMJ
 
carth just wondering how old u are? lookin good by the way. what dose is your HRT test dose per week? what ester?
 
I've used 50mg Clomid ED for the duration of my cycles before... and other then feeling bitchy... I was pretty good... worked for bloat and gyno, then I just upped it to 300/100/50 for 3 weeks @ the end of a 8 week test/deca cycle... seemed to work well...
 
The dude did not have a brad pitt body. He was huge man! Like almost somewhat like Needsize when he's beetween that super bulking look and the leaned out look.

And btw..I'm 30.
 
btw, I do come off, at least once or twice a year I even drop the bridge, and go with heavy clomid/nolva to make sure everything is still working
 
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