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What all can/should i take to optimize thyroid functioning

Lao Tzu

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aside from T3 and T4?

So far i have come up with guggulsterone and kelp. Anything else?

When dieting before, i had a metabolic slowdown, i stopped losing weight and body temp dropped about 0.5 degrees. So i want to be prepared this time around. I think metabolic slowdown isn't due to lack of T4, but the deiodinase enzyme that converts T4-->T3 not working as effectively. Is there something you can take to encourage this enzyme? i would assume eating the enzyme would be a bad idea because stomach acid would dissolve it.
 
Ultimate Thyroid Boost Stack........
7-keto DHEA (2 w/meal 2, 1 w/ meal 4) 100mg/per pill...300mg/day
L-Tyrosine (2 w/meal 2, 1 w/meal 4) 500mg/per pill...1500mg/day
Kelp (1 w/meal 2) 550mg/day
Selenium (1 w/meal 2) 200mcg/day
 
does it have to be 7-keto DHEA, or can you use regular DHEA? 7-keto DHEA is about 12x more expensive than DHEA.

Also would you throw guggulsterone 30mg 3x daily into that mix too? i assume i would.
 
how much iodine until i start going into hypothyroidism? i may just drink some saltwater made with iodinized salt instead of using kelp. 1/4 tsp salt has 45% the RDA of iodine, which is roughly 67 mcg. If i do that 1.5x a day that's an extra 100mcg iodine. ive read 300mcg is the upper limit, beyond that you risk hypothyroidism.

I dont know if its the placebo effect (probably is) but a couple hours ago i was lethargic and had a temp of 98.1. i took about 80mcg iodine in the form of table salt & water and now i dont feel as lethargic and im at 98.6.
 
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You need 7-keto DHEA at high doses. DHEA is useless for you.

Also, personally I would take the supplements only after a few weeks into diet and not from the beginning where metabolism is high anyway.
 
junk said:
You need 7-keto DHEA at high doses. DHEA is useless for you.

Also, personally I would take the supplements only after a few weeks into diet and not from the beginning where metabolism is high anyway.

i think mine is already fucking up even though its only 10 days into dieting. body temp when i woke up was like 97.1, and i have fatigue. Both signs of hypothyroidism.

i need to get on T3.
 
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THEEGAME2544 said:
Ultimate Thyroid Boost Stack........

L-Tyrosine (2 w/meal 2, 1 w/meal 4) 500mg/per pill...1500mg/day
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not sure about taking tyrosine with a meal containing protein.

the amino acids compete with each other to cross blood-brain barrier, and for them to have a drug effect should be taken alone. this is definately true re the neurochemical-boosting (mental/mood) effects of tyrosine. my guess would be same on its thyroid benefiting effects.

anyone have info on this?
 
junk said:
You need 7-keto DHEA at high doses. DHEA is useless for you.

Also, personally I would take the supplements only after a few weeks into diet and not from the beginning where metabolism is high anyway.

Uselesss for men after a fashion, but it does seem to be a good addition to sedentary or normal women.

Problem with DHEA for us guys, is that it converts to both testosterone and estrogen.

Now 7-keto DHEA, or 7-oxo-DHEA(Same compound) is molecularly incapable of
converting to testosterone or estrogen.

So, the advantages are clear.

The immune system issue..wether DHEA > 7-Keto DHEA or vice-versa I'm still researching, and is not entirely clear DHEA's blood levels (DHEA-S) would have to be measured after an ingestion of say 200mg DHEA and 200mg 7-Keto DHEA after separate days to see their subsequent impact on blood DHEA levels. (A health, logevity, and immun function marker).

DHEA is a very complicated molecule to say the least.
 
nordstrom said:
aside from T3 and T4?
deiodinase enzyme that converts T4-->T3 not working as effectively. Is there something you can take to encourage this enzyme?

selemethionine has been shown to affect deiodinaze enzyme in a positive manner:




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Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1992 Jun;36(6):579-83. Related Articles, Links


Effect of selenium supplementation on thyroid hormone metabolism in an iodine and selenium deficient population.

Contempre B, Duale NL, Dumont JE, Ngo B, Diplock AT, Vanderpas J.

IRIBHN, Free University of Brussels, Belgium.

OBJECTIVE: Severe selenium deficiency has been documented in northern Zaire, already known as one of the most iodine deficient regions in the world and characterized by a predominance of the myxoedematous form of cretinism. This has been attributed to the double deficiency of essential trace elements. A short selenium supplementation programme was conducted in this area to evaluate the effects of a selenium supplementation on thyroid diseases. DESIGN: Placebo or selenium 50 micrograms as selenomethionine was administered once daily for 2 months. Blood and urine samples were collected before and after supplementation. PATIENTS: Fifty-two healthy schoolchildren from northern Zaire. MEASUREMENT: Selenium status, thyroid function and urinary iodide were determined. RESULTS: After 2 months of selenium supplementation, mean +/- SD serum T4 decreased from 73.1 +/- 45.4 to 48.3 +/- 23.7 nmol/l (P less than 0.001), serum FT4 from 11.8 +/- 6.7 to 8.4 +/- 4.1 pmol/l (P less than 0.01), and serum rT3 from 124 +/- 115 to 90 +/- 72 pmol/l (P less than 0.05), without significant change in serum T3 and serum TSH. CONCLUSION: Deiodinase type I which has been shown to be a seleno-enzyme could account for the changes in thyroid hormones in our subjects. Our data show that selenium plays a definite role in thyroid hormone metabolism in humans. Selenium could be an important cofactor in the clinical picture of iodine deficiency in Central Africa and could be involved in the aetiology of both forms of cretinism.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Controlled Clinical Trial

PMID: 1424183 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



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Eur J Endocrinol. 2003 Apr;148(4):389-93. Related Articles, Links


Effects of a six month treatment with selenomethionine in patients with autoimmune thyroiditis.

Duntas LH, Mantzou E, Koutras DA.

Endocrine Unit, Evgenidion Hospital, University of Athens Medical School, 20 Papadiamantopoulou Str, 11528 Athens, Greece.

OBJECTIVE: Selenium (Se) in the form of selenocysteine is an essential component of the family of the detoxifying enzymes glutathione peroxidase (Gpx) and of the iodothyronine selenodeiodinases that catalyse the extrathyroidal production of tri-iodothyronine (T(3)). Thus, Se deficiency may seriously influence the generation of free radicals, the conversion of thyroxine (T(4)) to T(3) and the autoimmune process. Therefore, we performed a randomised, placebo-controlled prospective study to investigate the effects of Se treatment on patients with autoimmune thyroiditis (AIT). DESIGN AND METHODS: Sixty five patients aged 22-61 years (median age 48 years) with AIT were recruited into two groups. Group I (Gr I) (n=34) was treated with selenomethionine (Seme) 200 microg, plus L-thyroxine (LT(4)) to maintain TSH levels between 0.3-2.0 mU/l, whereas group II (Gr II) (n=31) received LT(4) plus placebo over a period of 6 months. Moreover, the pharmacokinetics of Seme were studied in 10 patients and eight volunteers at baseline and 2 h, 4 h, 6 h and 24 h after oral administration of a 200 microg tablet of Seme. Finally, Se levels were measured at the end of the study in some patients of both groups and their results were correlated with thyroid hormone levels. RESULTS: In the pharmacokinetics study, basal serum concentration of Se (75+/-6 microg/l) was within the reference range (70-125 microg/l), it promptly increased at 2 h, peaked at 4 h (147+/-17 microg/l; P<0.0001) and it was abundant in serum at 24 h. In Gr I, antibodies against thyroid peroxidase (anti-TPO) levels showed an overall decrease of 46% at 3 months (from 1875+/-1039 U/l to 1013+/-382 U/l; P<0.0001) and of 55.5% at 6 months. In Gr II the overall decrease of anti-TPO amounted to 21% at 3 months and to 27% at 6 months (from 1758+/-917 U/l to 1284+/-410 U/l; P<0.005). There were no significant changes of antibodies against thyroglobulin levels between the groups. At the end of this study Se levels were found to be statistically significantly increased in Gr I (n = 9/34) compared with Gr II (n=11/31) (97+/-8.4 vs 79+/-8; P<0.01) but no correlation with thyroid hormone was found. CONCLUSIONS: Seme is proven to be rapidly absorbed by the gastrointestinal tract. It appears to be useful as adjunctive therapy with LT(4) in the treatment of AIT. The exact mechanism(s) is not very well determined, it might enhance the activity of detoxifying enzymes and enforce the defense against oxidative stress.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 12656658 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]




also, olive leaf extract and iodine might be the supplements of iterest as they directly affect thyroenzyme regulating pathways :o


celica said:
zip by protein factory
how about Zilch?
 
THEEGAME2544 said:
Ultimate Thyroid Boost Stack........
7-keto DHEA (2 w/meal 2, 1 w/ meal 4) 100mg/per pill...300mg/day
L-Tyrosine (2 w/meal 2, 1 w/meal 4) 500mg/per pill...1500mg/day
Kelp (1 w/meal 2) 550mg/day
Selenium (1 w/meal 2) 200mcg/day

how long would you guys run this to bounce your thyroid up after a t3 cycle?
 
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